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Wonder Woman (DCCU) Review Thread (RT 93%)

Double Toasted reviews:

Martin: (low) Full Price, Goodwin: Matinee, Girts: (really high) Matinee, Coleman: almost Full Price.

Didn't like the beginning and the little girl, thought acting was really bad. Writing was bad in the beginning. Also, goofy bad villains and a typical blockbuster third act. Though the actual ending they liked.

Stuff they liked is action, her heroism, Wonder Woman wanting to help, all the actors, the comedy and how Paradise Island looked.
 
Saw it too.

It's decent. Like a 7.5/10 maybe. I think it's just a solid movie. Hard to really pick many flaws other than the weak last twenty minutes, where it goes full superhero. I understand why it got such a high RT score. It doesn't go above and beyond in many ways, but there's very few missteps. Script was tight. Shots looked good. Music was serviceable, and the remixes of WW's theme fit the movie a lot more than the BvS original. Gadot and Pine sold their roles. Toed the gender stuff well. Jenkins knows how to make good films, it's as simple as that.

It's also not that much like a MCU film. It's got a useless villain and they do a First Avenger style get the gang together, but there's barely any quipping, the humor comes from different sources. The pacing is slower, calmer. Scenes get room to breathe. Everything feels kind of real, not DCEU gritty or Marvel poppy, I guess naturalistic is the word? Yeah it's fantasy, but it didn't feel played up until the very end. And there's the action, which is kind of Snyder-light, which Jenkins doesn't pull off as well as he does. Less slow mo, more hand to hand would've been nice.

The cinema I watched it at was about 60% women, and they liked a lot of the jokes. Except the group of four women sitting behind me who just laughed every time Chris Pine was on screen. They really didn't like him for some reason.

The Geoff Johns influence is noticeable:
LOVE
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And no, it's nowhere even close to The Dark Knight.
 
The better parallel to this movie is Fantastic Beasts or Harry Potter 1-2. Not TDK for God's sake haha.

The villains /were/ very goofy. Like, actually kind of charming. Straight from Superman 2.

The movie will have a high RT and a middling score because while it does have big flaws.. almost no one can say "don't watch it, it's not worth it". The good is so good that you should watch it. Like, it's making History.
 
Just came back from watching it for the second time. Solid movie with very little flaws. Not quite Dark Knight/Spider-Man 2 levels of greatness but I thought it was very, very entertaining.

Watching the premiere really solidified the importance of this movie. My theatre was packed with women and seeing the excitement and reverence on my niece's face was heartwarming.
 
Ahasverus said:
The better parallel to this movie is Fantastic Beasts or Harry Potter 1-2. Not TDK for God's sake haha.

The villains /were/ very goofy. Like, actually kind of charming. Straight from Superman 2.

The movie will have a high RT and a middling score because while it does have big flaws.. almost no one can say "don't watch it, it's not worth it". The good is so good that you should watch it. Like, it's making History.
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Bleh Fantastic Beasts...bleh!
 
eizarus said:
I know that. However, it's his rampage that made him arguably the thing Superman fears most. Lois almost mentions as much in the first few issues of Rebirth when the new Doosmday shows up. Yet in BvS he came across as just another throwaway monster. (I'm not saying we needed a Doomsday movie;you can only take that character so far).
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He was a throwaway plot device for the sole purpose of the comic event. How throwaway? Writers didn't even bother to give him a decent backstory until much later. Him being a throwaway baddie here is par for course.
 
Kenzodielocke said:
Double Toasted reviews:

Martin: (low) Full Price, Goodwin: Matinee, Girts: (really high) Matinee, Coleman: almost Full Price.

Didn't like the beginning and the little girl, thought acting was really bad. Writing was bad in the beginning. Also, goofy bad villains and a typical blockbuster third act. Though the actual ending they liked.

Stuff they liked is action, her heroism, Wonder Woman wanting to help, all the actors, the comedy and how Paradise Island looked.
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Cool, I look forward to watching the review on youtube.

ZeroX03 said:
Saw it too.

It's decent. Like a 7.5/10 maybe. I think it's just a solid movie. Hard to really pick many flaws other than the weak last twenty minutes, where it goes full superhero. I understand why it got such a high RT score. It doesn't go above and beyond in many ways, but there's very few missteps. Script was tight. Shots looked good. Music was serviceable, and the remixes of WW's theme fit the movie a lot more than the BvS original. Gadot and Pine sold their roles. Toed the gender stuff well. Jenkins knows how to make good films, it's as simple as that.

It's also not that much like a MCU film. It's good a useless villain and they do a First Avenger style get the gang together, but there's barely any quipping, the humor comes from different sources. The pacing is slower, calmer. Scenes get room to breathe. Everything feels kind of real, not DCEU gritty or Marvel poppy, I guess naturalistic is the word? Yeah it's fantasy, but it didn't feel played up until the very end. And there's the action, which is kind of Snyder-light, which Jenkins doesn't pull off as well as he does. Less slow mo, more hand to hand would've been nice.

The cinema I watched it at was about 60% women, and they liked a lot of the jokes. Except the group of four women sitting behind me who just laughed every time Chris Pine was on screen. They really didn't like him for some reason.

The Geoff Johns influence is noticeable:
LOVE
.

And no, it's nowhere even close to The Dark Knight.
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That's pretty much exactly what I expected ever since the first trailer. A solid 6 or 7/10, at least for me. And I'm fine with that, especially after last year, the most important thing is that they got the character right.
 
Really bloody happy this is scoring so well, and I hope it isn't overly light-hearted like the MCU films and still in keeping to the other DC films, but how in the hell has everyone gone from hating on Gal to stating she IS Wonder Woman?

I want to believe it's because it's a great film. But part of me is also thinking there's some social context of it being a female directed and led comic book film. I just can't see how people can be against Gal to being on her side. I'll have to watch it first, I know I'll love it, as I really enjoyed the other DC films, just hope the backlash hasn't taken away from the feel of the others.
 
Sgt. Kabukiman said:
That's pretty much exactly what I expected ever since the first trailer. A solid 6 or 7/10, at least for me. And I'm fine with that, especially after last year, the most important thing is that they got the character right.
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No character complaints from me. Diana, Steve and Etta were all on point. Ares had a nice take that unfortunately wasn't really explored.

Garruson said:
Really bloody happy this is scoring so well, and I hope it isn't overly light-hearted like the MCU films and still in keeping to the other DC films, but how in the hell has everyone gone from hating on Gal to stating she IS Wonder Woman?

I want to believe it's because it's a great film. But part of me is also thinking there's some social context of it being a female directed and led comic book film. I just can't see how people can be against Gal to being on her side. I'll have to watch it first, I know I'll love it, as I really enjoyed the other DC films, just hope the backlash hasn't taken away from the feel of the others.
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No, it's not overly light hearted, even though it's a PG-13 film it's also still a war film and it doesn't shy away from that. Bodies get dropped, the movie acknowledges it, and it isn't edited like a music video either.

And you're making the silly assumption that the people who hated Gadot are the same people who are complimenting her. When something does well, the haters tend to slink away. She's good.
 
Garruson said:
Really bloody happy this is scoring so well, and I hope it isn't overly light-hearted like the MCU films and still in keeping to the other DC films, but how in the hell has everyone gone from hating on Gal to stating she IS Wonder Woman?

I want to believe it's because it's a great film. But part of me is also thinking there's some social context of it being a female directed and led comic book film. I just can't see how people can be against Gal to being on her side. I'll have to watch it first, I know I'll love it, as I really enjoyed the other DC films, just hope the backlash hasn't taken away from the feel of the others.
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:/

Maybe she's, yknow, good in the movie.
 
Garruson said:
Really bloody happy this is scoring so well, and I hope it isn't overly light-hearted like the MCU films and still in keeping to the other DC films, but how in the hell has everyone gone from hating on Gal to stating she IS Wonder Woman?

I want to believe it's because it's a great film. But part of me is also thinking there's some social context of it being a female directed and led comic book film. I just can't see how people can be against Gal to being on her side. I'll have to watch it first, I know I'll love it, as I really enjoyed the other DC films, just hope the backlash hasn't taken away from the feel of the others.
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Same happened with Affleck being Batman. Nothing "social context" going on. Please lets not do that.
 
Garruson said:
Really bloody happy this is scoring so well, and I hope it isn't overly light-hearted like the MCU films and still in keeping to the other DC films, but how in the hell has everyone gone from hating on Gal to stating she IS Wonder Woman?

I want to believe it's because it's a great film. But part of me is also thinking there's some social context of it being a female directed and led comic book film. I just can't see how people can be against Gal to being on her side. I'll have to watch it first, I know I'll love it, as I really enjoyed the other DC films, just hope the backlash hasn't taken away from the feel of the others.
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Look I was pretty skeptical of Gal Gadot in Batman v Superman, I might have, at the time, gone as far to say she was a miscast. But in this film she really sold me on wonder woman in a way that I wasn't expecting. Her facial expressions told a story, you could tell exactly what she was thinking just by looking at her face, she had such good range and the film utilized close up shots of her really well. I'm actually going to rewatch Batman v Superman (something I never thought I'd want to do) just to see her character and actress in a modern context. She's the best character that DC films have at the moment, up there with the best of Marvel (maybe even the best). Justice League better not screw things up
 
SpaceWolf said:
It's weird to see how obsessed people have become with Rotten Tomatoes scores these days.
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I firmly believe it's because theirs no go to critic's anymore. With Ebert and Siskel passing nobody has stepped up to the plate.

So we rely on a combined score website.
 
I had my doubts, but will happily eat crow to finally have a good DCEU film, and a surprisingly​ good performance by Gadot.
 
SpaceWolf said:
It's weird to see how obsessed people have become with Rotten Tomatoes scores these days.
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For me, I only care about it as a public perception thing.If the movie is good, I want EVERYONE to know it and spread it. I want Wonder Woman to be as successful as possible.

It'll help kill the perception that women can't carry action films to studio execs as much as possible, and that might mean we get more action films in the same vein.
 
Ahasverus said:
The better parallel to this movie is Fantastic Beasts or Harry Potter 1-2. Not TDK for God's sake haha.

The villains /were/ very goofy. Like, actually kind of charming. Straight from Superman 2.

The movie will have a high RT and a middling score because while it does have big flaws.. almost no one can say "don't watch it, it's not worth it". The good is so good that you should watch it. Like, it's making History.
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So, this movie is like DC's Iron Man?
 
I wonder how many screens WW will take away from POTC. Because some theatres here are screening 5-6 different versions, like IMAX and IMAX 3d, reg and 3d on the same day.

Unfortunately, I expect WW to get a 3d and reg treatment.
 
SpaceWolf said:
It's weird to see how obsessed people have become with Rotten Tomatoes scores these days.
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It's simple : Either people want a confirmation that what they think is shit is shit or what they like is good. And since Rotten Tomatoes aggregate reviews in a ''Percentage of Critics that liked the movie'' versus most Score Based aggregation like Metacritic (I know they do both, but usually the review scores is not what is relevant on RT as long as it's over or under 6/10)
 
Garruson said:
Really bloody happy this is scoring so well, and I hope it isn't overly light-hearted like the MCU films and still in keeping to the other DC films, but how in the hell has everyone gone from hating on Gal to stating she IS Wonder Woman?

I want to believe it's because it's a great film. But part of me is also thinking there's some social context of it being a female directed and led comic book film. I just can't see how people can be against Gal to being on her side. I'll have to watch it first, I know I'll love it, as I really enjoyed the other DC films, just hope the backlash hasn't taken away from the feel of the others.
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The people screaming about how she couldn't act before were random users on internet forums.

If anything female actors get more shit on for no reason by these enthusiast fans - picking apart lines out of context in trailers, for example (see: recent Star Wars films).
 
jon bones said:
thats why i hope DC retains some of it's darkness for Wans Aquaman. a horror inspired AAA Trench movie would be amazing

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A Trench movie would be dope.
 
Inferno313 said:
:/

Maybe she's, yknow, good in the movie.
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Sure... I've not seen it and I'm expecting to love it and for her to be amazing - I thought she was great in BvS after all. However, I doubt she is far from how she acted and was portrayed in BvS. A lot of audience and critic response was quite negative of her, so unless the tone of the film and her acting is vastly different I honestly don't see how people can change their opinions so obtusely.

Perhaps it is different people voicing their opinions now, but considering there were a lot of bad reviews of a lot about BvS, I find it hard to believe that a lot of people are now singing a different tune.

Bearing in mind that Zack Snyder helped write the script and direct and general other advice, call me skeptical or whatever, but I find because it's not Snyder's name as director that the film was judged less harshly. It would be interesting to see how the response would be if it was a Snyder directed film.

I guess I'll find out when I watch it if she was that different between the two films.
 
Garruson said:
Sure... I've not seen it and I'm expecting to love it and for her to be amazing - I thought she was great in BvS after all. However, I doubt she is far from how she acted and was portrayed in BvS. A lot of audience and critic response was quite negative of her, so unless the tone of the film and her acting is vastly different I honestly don't see how people can change their opinions so obtusely.

Perhaps it is different people voicing their opinions now, but considering there were a lot of bad reviews of a lot about BvS, I find it hard to believe that a lot of people are now singing a different tune.

Bearing in mind that Zack Snyder helped write the script and direct and general other advice, call me skeptical or whatever, but I find because it's not Snyder's name as director that the film was judged less harshly. It would be interesting to see how the response would be if it was a Snyder directed film.

I guess I'll find out when I watch it if she was that different between the two films.
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Snyder did not help write the script or direct. He has a "story by" credit, which is not the same thing as a screenplay credit. It means he contributed to an outline or treatment of the film, at most.
 
Garruson said:
I guess I'll find out when I watch it if she was that different between the two films.
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She's on a completely different level on Wnoder Woman than BvS or anything she' s been in for that matter.

Watching this movie you'd think she was some carreer actress who got his main role after 20 years of supporting roles, but the difference between BvS and WW filming was like 2 months I think? incredible. Jenkins did a fantastic job.

Gal's real test will be JL. Will she be as good as she was in WW, or is the whole credit of her good performance going to Patty?
 
Ahasverus said:
She's on a completely different level on Wnoder Woman than BvS or anything she' s been in for that matter.

Watching this movie you'd think she was some carreer actress who got his main role after 20 years of supporting roles, but the difference between BvS and WW filming was like 2 months I think? incredible. Jenkins did a fantastic job.

Gal's real test will be JL. Will she be as good as she was in WW, or is the whole credit of her good performance going to Patty?
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It's a good point, I guess we will see come the end of the year whether it was direction that brought a great performance form her. Hopefully this isn't the case. I'll see on Saturday if her performance is vastly different, although in saying that she didn't have a huge role in BvS.

In regards to Zack Snyder helping with the treatment, IMDB states that he wrote the story joint with two others, one of which did the screenplay - so he still would have had a big hand in it. I'm not really sure how those things work, but even if he's not credited would it then be impossible that he didn't help in some sort with the screenplay?
 
I'm in the cinema now, here's my cinema. Red are booked. Green are available:

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Although it's in the middle of the day, so people are probably in school and on work.

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I hate that we can't upload to imgur on mobile browsers anymore and the app is cumbersome.
 
Kenzodielocke said:
Can't stress how important a director is for the actos performance. Sometimes actors can do just fine on their own, however, most of the time you need a little bit of push from the director.

Hemsworth, Evans or Cavill all work better under a director that pushes characters more than visuals.
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Yes, that is true. I have seen Adams, Cavill, and especially Eisenberg in way better performances than in BvS. That said, if there is not any talent in the first place there is only so much a director can do. So it is good to hear that Gadot shows some real potential in WW.
 
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