JaxBriggs
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We have dates for God of War and Shadow of the Colossus so far. I'm assuming we'll get dates for Spider-Man, Detroit: Become Human and Days Gone at E3 as they're probably launching later in the year.
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Worldwide Xbox One sales dropped below Xbox 360 in 2017
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We have dates for God of War and Shadow of the Colossus so far. I'm assuming we'll get dates for Spider-Man, Detroit: Become Human and Days Gone at E3 as they're probably launching later in the year.
Mattyp
Gold Member
It outsold Playstation in Australia as well. People are quick to write off the US/UK/AU and western countries in general but when it's over 50% of the market share..? It isn't 1999 when Japan is the main mover anymore.
Sosokrates
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After playing about 15hrs of the sea of thieves beta it is some of the most pure gameplay fun Ive had in a long time.
I feel like a kid again when playing, its fantastic.
If MS can keep having Exclusives like this I prefer them to single player games, however variarty is always best.
To be fair I think the future is in multiplayer where they take the best elements of what gamers love about single player and the incorporate them some how into multiplayer games.
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Malcolm9
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You could have said the same thing when the 360 had the best looking multi plats, swings & roundabouts I believe.
Geki-D
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Sea of Thieves honestly looks like it could have Minecraft levels of popularity which would be amazing for Xbox, and maybe it will be that popular, but I'm pretty sure that if it is it'll be on PC. I think MS having all of their "exclusives" on PC too really undercuts the potential for the XB1 to grow any this point with any exclusives it could have. Sea of Thieves especially looks like a very PC-ish game.
JaxBriggs
Member
Yuck. No thanks..
MilkyJoe
Member
Every domestic US car company, bar ford, begs to differ.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Xbone is selling less WW than X360 in same time-frame since 2016. That's the last time when MS said that Xbone is outpacing X360.
michaelius
Banned
Are we talking about xbox only ? Because I doubt those 3 markets make 50% of Nintendo and Sony sales.
Also having 50% of overal market contested and split beetween all 3 major players while getting murdered in other 50% of the market share is not a recipe for success.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
All I see here is that you are calling DF shills. I thought this wasn't allowed here, and you don't have any proof of it anyway!
Xbox One X is selling well, it's currently the best console you can buy, and exclusives won't matter much. If you want the best version of multiplatforms you'll buy one. And that list of enhanced games you are talking, they never promised it was going to be at launch as far as I know, some titles take longer, but you can clearly tell as more time was usually put into it.
Also, ain't know power strip issues or jet vacuum drive or whatever you are talking about, there weren't any widespread issues with the X. We all know how much you love your PS platforms, no need to keep making up the same BS in every thread.
Also, One X version is always better than Pro Version. 1800p at 28-30fps is much better than 1260p at stable a 30. If Pro versions were double the frame rate then maybe, but even then X runs at a higher fidelity anyway, and no Pro game has double the frame rate as its X counterpart. A slightly higher but unstable frame rate doesn't make for a better experience.
grumpyGamer
Member
i cant speak of the usa, because i live in Europe, but there is absolutely nothing on the horizon on xbox that i am remotely excited, no new Ip, no upcoming releases.
and since every game comes to pc too, i lost interest in buying an xbox.
The oly game that i desired was canceled, thay launched xbox X, but with no content, it looks like they don't give a shit
and since every game comes to pc too, i lost interest in buying an xbox.
The oly game that i desired was canceled, thay launched xbox X, but with no content, it looks like they don't give a shit
Come on now.. It doesn't have a shot in hell at Minecraft levels of popularity lol.
hiphopcr
Member
If that assumption isn't true then this narrative of PS4 having a great 2018 is bunk.
Even so, Xbox has SoT, CD3, SoD2, Ori 2, FH4 this year... and included in Game Pass
Sosokrates
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What reasons do you have to believe that MS having Exclusives also on PC is undercutting the xboxs potential to grow?
And this statement is false right off the bat because the xbox is growing every day because its selling.
Well I think it has high potential to appeal to Minecraft players.
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Unknown?
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Does it? If we have doubt on PS4 games making it this year why can we be certain with Xbox games? CD3 could slip even farther for all we know. That said Detroit was recently confirmed for Spring.
JaxBriggs
Member
Well all of those games mentioned have been confirmed for 2018, I was just assuming some of them will naturally be launching later in the year (holiday season) so we'll probably get launch dates for those games at E3.
JaxBriggs
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If sales of XB1 have now fallen behind that of the 360 (launch aligned) then the Xbox market share is actually shrinking.
rokkerkory
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It's hard to remain near the top after the 360 generation. Conversely, you could say market share for Switch has drastically gained given how crappy Wii U did.
JaxBriggs
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MS had a great generation during the PS360 era yeah. I'm just pointing out claims like "Xbox is growing" is actually incorrect given what we know. I mean sure if you want to be pedantic about it, MS selling 10 consoles today means their numbers have grown, but looking big picture (market share) then no, they haven't. It's actually the opposite.
Absolutely. Nintendo always seem to be the wild card, and it seems they've once again struck gold with the Switch. It's kinda an odd situation though because I feel that while they are doing extremely well, the Switch is possibly also eating into Nintendo's handheld audience as well. So has their market share grown or is it that their audience (handheld & home consoles) is simply consolidating? I'm not sure to be honest, but it'll become more clear as time goes by.
nope own lots of stock but not sony or ms. just a consumer who can afford to buy what he wants and not be a 10 year old kid who plays console wars. sorry
Geki-D
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Bah, who knows though, right? What exactly dictates which game is going to become the next big hit? My whole point anyway, in the theoretical universe in which is does become this mega hit, is that it'll most likely do so on PC rather than XB1. The Xbox won't be seen as this place you have to go to to play the newest hit sensation. It's just one of the places.
The reason that when you have a game on more than one platform, it's going to split people between them rather than get it on the platform it could be exclusive to.
I get that the XB1 isn't exactly bombing, but it isn't really doing too well either. Though to say a console is growing just because it's still selling is pretty odd. So we can't consider any product a failure/doing poorly in till it reaches zero sales per month?
-hadouken
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X1 outsold PS4 in Oz? Where are you getting that info?
AnimalFather
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i feel like it was the dominant console in europe as well or at least 50-50. speaking for sweden here.
WaterAstro
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I just thought about something, and maybe somebody already posted about it.
I wonder how much cross-platform has to do with this and the fact that Xbone doesn't really have exclusives anymore. People have the choice to play on PC, so they won't have a reason to get an Xbone.
I wonder how much cross-platform has to do with this and the fact that Xbone doesn't really have exclusives anymore. People have the choice to play on PC, so they won't have a reason to get an Xbone.
Armorian
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It works like that for me, with PC and PS4 I'm pretty much settled (not a big fan of Nintendo games and Switch is overpriced). Maybe in grand scheme of things it doesn't have much impact (number of people with gaming pc's) but it definietly affects core gamers.
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Mattyp
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Yes Microsoft, but Sony isn't that much further behind. PS4 US/UK 30 million consoles give or take. Rest of the world, 44 million give or take? Just 2 countries are a massive amount of the market.
Signed into the wrong account?
Talking about 360 in Australia V PS3.
preskerd
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With the 'play anywhere' move and the extremely weak first party support on xbox one, I don't think Microsoft cares about the console sales too much. They mostly focus 'xbox as a service' now. I can't blame them for that move though. Xbox is the only division in Microsoft that doesn't grow currently. They already poured too much money on the division and shareholders will surely question whether it's worth their time and effort or not on xbox. Cancelling multiple games which they showed at the biggest conferences and closing their studios one by one only shows that they don't want to risk more money on xbox. This is probably the reason that Playstation always outsell xbox in the end. Gamers want games first and Sony knows that really well. When you watch their e3's, they show game after game after game... and be done with it. No bs. That's why they have one of the best studios in the industry and heavily invest on the exclusive contents in their consoles. I mean even when you forget the current exclusives, ps4 will get death stranding, god of war, days gone, last of us 2, detroit became human, spiderman, ghost of tsushima..etc and not to mention strong japanese third party exclusive support. What will Microsoft's shiny xbox one x get? so far I only see 2 40 dollar budget title and crackdown 3 which was in development state forever ( also still looks really bad). You can play the few exclusive they have on your pc as well. We all saw how ps3 outsold xbox 360 even tho Sony failed big time at half of the lifespan of ps3. Sorry but I think even regular ps4's will outsell xbox one x. Microsoft should sell xbox to another company which willing to take huge risks to reach top (like amazon) on console business. Otherwise Sony won't have any serious competitor in the future and do whatever they want like the most companies which has monopoly status
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Expected, especially after the early backlash they faced.
I think, right now, the important thing for them is to remain profitable. Play anywhere and Gamepass are two steps in the right direction.
I think it’s clear to say that Xbox market has shrunk inevitably in numbers just like the PS market did with PS3. I still don’t know why people get upset or else.
XB1X is a cool piece of kit that has a lot of potential. I think it’s more crucial for MS to gather those Japan titles even if it means dropping a lot of money in those.
First party output could have a better long term planning in my eyes, they don’t want to repeat mistakes like year 2017.
I think, right now, the important thing for them is to remain profitable. Play anywhere and Gamepass are two steps in the right direction.
I think it’s clear to say that Xbox market has shrunk inevitably in numbers just like the PS market did with PS3. I still don’t know why people get upset or else.
XB1X is a cool piece of kit that has a lot of potential. I think it’s more crucial for MS to gather those Japan titles even if it means dropping a lot of money in those.
First party output could have a better long term planning in my eyes, they don’t want to repeat mistakes like year 2017.
Sony “survived” the PS3?
The PS3 outsold the 360 over its lifetime, what exactly did sony “survive” other than the copius amounts of alcohol and drugs the playstation team ingested after winning the last console war?
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Yet even at their worse, Sony still still sold more PS3s than Microsoft did 360s, even with giving Microsoft a 14 month head start.
Sony survived the burning of almost every profit they made with PS2 and losing almost 50% of lifetime sales over PS2.
They just made all the right moves since 2010 (even after PSN backlash) and now they sit rightfully on top...
What was the PSN backlash?
MickeyPhree
Member
Lizard Squad took down the PlayStation network for around a month or so with Ddos attacks. It happens right around Christmas if I remember correct.
Oh yeah, i got two free games out of that.
Good times
JaxBriggs
Member
PSN was down for a total of 3 days, 2 of those days including 'maintenance' after the attacks.
XBL was also down at the same time but was back up after around 24 hours.
That's when I got my first Xbox, never had one before. Sad
Nah man, you might remember things wrong...PSN was down a full month, that’s exactly the time I got my first Xbox, never been interested before. They even gifted two or three free games, I got inFamous and one I can’t even remember..
nowhat
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No seriously, I remember the event very well (if it didn't particularly affect me at the time as I seldom do multiplayer). Quoting from Wikipedia:
Lizard Squad had previously threatened to take down gaming services on Christmas. On December 25, 2014 (Christmas Day), Lizard Squad claimed to have performed a DDoS attack on the PlayStation Network and Xbox Live. On December 26, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Lizard Squad appeared to stop attacking PlayStation Network and Xbox Live.
(Also I can't recall getting any free games out of this - was it a US-only thing?)
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MickeyPhree
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Thanks for clearing that up.
Wikipedia said:
We are talking about two different events...the same day Xbox Live was taken down but there wasn't any ID stealing there...
nowhat
Member
Yeah the PSN hack was a separate thing. However, the post you responded to with "Nah man, you might remember things wrong..." was talking about the Lizard Squad incident.
Oh, ok my bad with all this quoting!
Sosokrates
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Thats only in comparison to the 360 install base, which is not what I said.
-hadouken
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Gotcha. Got a link to some numbers - would be interested to see where the totals ended up.
Mattyp
Gold Member
I've been trying to find articles for last half an hour for you now just so I know I wasn't going crazy several years ago. Aussie articles seem to either vanish or have horrible search results. Really need to start book marking and archiving these for the future.
The most you get now with results is
360 most successful launch in Australia..
Wii most successful launch in Australia..
Xbox One most successful launch in Australia..
PS4 most successful launch in Australia..
DForce
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God of War and Spider-Man will likely be bigger than every single game on that list, which says a lot.
That still leaves MLB 18, Detroit: Become Human, Ni no Kuni II, Shadow of the Colossus, Yakuza 6, Secret of Mana Remake.That leaves Days Gone which some people are speculating is the game that might get delayed. If PUBG is truly a timed exclusive title, then it could make its way on the PS4 this year. PS4 will already have a good year with God of War, Detroit, Spider-Man and MLB.. All of other games just makes it that much better.
-hadouken
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Ta, yeah hard to find anything much for Oz. :/
TheFarter
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Yes. It was utterly destroyed by the Wii.