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Would you buy a Ninja Gaiden Master Ninja Collection ?
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AkelisRain
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I would actually love to play this series, I owned a ps3. Funny, I was thinking about this the other day.
i used to be in agreement with the 'sigma 1 and 2 are pretty okay' side in years past... but as time went on, i started replaying black/2 more and more, and sigma/sigma 2 less and less, to the point where i realized i have no desire to ever touch them again and finally sold them off last year.
as people have said, if these games ever get ported they'll be sigma and not vanilla, and i have no interest in that. my 360 has a permanent place on my shelf just for these games anyway.
as people have said, if these games ever get ported they'll be sigma and not vanilla, and i have no interest in that. my 360 has a permanent place on my shelf just for these games anyway.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
I'd happily take:
Ninja Gaiden Black
Ninja Gaiden 2 (360 version)
The rest of the games are garbage
And if they must, throw this is too:
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge
Ninja Gaiden Black
Ninja Gaiden 2 (360 version)
The rest of the games are garbage
And if they must, throw this is too:
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge
inoperativ
Member
Going to un-retire my 360 just because of this thread lol. I need another NGB playthrough.
thelastword
Banned
Give me a remaster of Sigma + Sigma 2 with decapitation and the higher enemy count which was lost going to Sigma, they have enough power in current gen consoles to do so with decapitation+blood splatter. Don't forget the Vita version of Sigma2 already brought decapitation back.
It makes no sense to try and redo Black, when you have more advanced graphics to work with from the Sigma games. I'd like to replay Razors Edge too, so include a remaster of that as well.
Its nice to dream OP.
You'd take your 1080p resolution Sigma+Razor's edge ports and like it.
Personally, the only thing i'd really want them to change is adding blood back into the second game, its just annoying having blue junk come out of badguys in 2 when 1 and 3 had no problem with blood all over the place.
I understand enjoying Black and OG NG1, but NG2 had a lot of issues...Sigma 2 fixed a lot of those but added more, so its a series of pros and cons for which you like more.
You'd take your 1080p resolution Sigma+Razor's edge ports and like it.
Personally, the only thing i'd really want them to change is adding blood back into the second game, its just annoying having blue junk come out of badguys in 2 when 1 and 3 had no problem with blood all over the place.
I understand enjoying Black and OG NG1, but NG2 had a lot of issues...Sigma 2 fixed a lot of those but added more, so its a series of pros and cons for which you like more.
Sigma/Black is probably easier to make into a definitive edition, since the changes between them aren't that big.
But Sigma 2 and NG2 are completely different games. Sigma 2, by having less enemies with a lot more health, changes the very core of the game completely. NG2 has a lot more enemies, but these can be killed in fewer attacks without any issues. Doing a definitive edition of this would be almost impossible.
Kurt Angle
Member
+1 if sigma is included i would boycott it completely
it would taint the collection
Now this is the proper answer. Thank you.
This.
But yes - outside of Red Dead Remaster this is the only other remaster from last gen I really want.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
ShinMaruku
Member
Looking for their tech pipeline it would point to that.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Ninja Gaiden 2 on Steam would be an instant buy for the 60fps version of the original stairway battle alone.
deadscreensky
Member
I don't disagree, but at the same time if you aren't going to be able to match Ninja Gaiden 1/2 then I'd honestly prefer if you tried something different. Spark understood this with Yaiba, even if it didn't turn out. Post-Itagaki Team Ninja did not, and on top of their games not turning out well they also give off whiffs of their superior predecessors. I guess this means they play better, but it's also more disappointing somehow. I don't want to constantly be reminded that this is a lesser version of a gameplay model I already love.
It already runs 60fps. It just does so in slow motion!
It would be unplayable at full speed, though I absolutely would a love a PC release of Ninja Gaiden 2 with a generally cleaned up framerate. They already basically patched out that section anyway -- too many younger gamers don't understand slowdown -- so any PC release would presumably have it gone too.
To Far Away Times
Member
I'd like a collection with a straight port of Ninja Gaiden Black and a remake of Ninja Gaiden 2.
No sigma versions, no 3, it would just dilute a quality product.
No sigma versions, no 3, it would just dilute a quality product.
Purists are the worst thing ever i say, especially in the Ninja Gaiden fandom. Itagaki don't deserve half as many accolades as he's gotten just in my opinion, as good as DOA and Ninja Gaiden turned out.
I guess it makes some people feel special to hate on versions of video games that are 80% the same as the ones they put on a pedestal, and just as functional and fun to play.
If there's anything i don't understand in gaming, its the Sigma and Hayashi hate bandwagon
I guess it makes some people feel special to hate on versions of video games that are 80% the same as the ones they put on a pedestal, and just as functional and fun to play.
If there's anything i don't understand in gaming, its the Sigma and Hayashi hate bandwagon
I've played and beaten all ninja gaiden games, both original and alternate editions.
And as good as the stairway of doom was, it was bogged down by shitty infinite offscreen rocket spams, fire tortoises that explode with an instant kill without any indication your supposed to do anything, horrible underground worm bosses and shitty unbalanced flying enemies that seem to almost always respawn until you run out of arrows.
As i said, Ninja Gaiden 1/Black/Sigma was an amazing game full stop. Ninja Gaiden 2 was a series of pros and cons, Sigma 2 fixed some of those cons, but added more of its own cons too.
I can't in good faith say Ninja Gaiden 2 is objectively better, cause that would be a lie. Its a mess fans have convinced themselves is 'hardcore' because they managed to get through it. Sigma 2 is a lot easier, but still is a mess in regards to design.
Ok, great argument, btw.
Demoskinos
Member
I think people are WAY to hard on Ninja Gaiden 3 its the weakest of the series, Yes, but 3/10? I still think that IGN score is absurd. To answer the question posed Yes having a full breadth of every version of every game would be incredibly cool.
Demoskinos
Member
Preach. The people who irrationally hate on the Sigma games make me eye roll. As you said its a series of trade-offs in both cases. And personally I think Sigma 2 is the better playing experience overall despite it removing some things I really liked from the game like giving the ranged weapons UT's and some of the visual things like the gore (which Sigma 2+ added back in but.... shame it has such a shitty frame rate....)
Eolz
Member
edit for above: it's way harder to remake action games with a different engine than fighting games (which is already not an easy task).
Where do you live? Unless you want digital, you can find it relatively easily for 20-25€ or less.
Where do you live? Unless you want digital, you can find it relatively easily for 20-25€ or less.
like.a.ser
Member
I know I would, PC or PS4. Would prefer Black + OG NG2 but wouldn't turn my nose up if it were the Sigma versions. I played both after I sold my 360 and they weren't the terrible tragedies hyperbolic posters are making them out to be, good lord.
Never played NG3, didn't like what I heard.
Never played NG3, didn't like what I heard.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yes, Ninja Gaiden Black is better than Sigma. But its not vastly superior like some in this thread seem to be suggesting. Lets try to compare:
- Rachel missions. These are mediocre and should have been optional.
+ New music. Its really catchy and fits the original game just fine.
- Doku's first form boss music was changed. The original was better.
+ New area in chapter 2 after the horse rider boss where you enter a burning building. Pretty neat.
+ New dual katanas. These are very well balanced and do not break the game, nor are they useless. The 360 attack in particular can deal good damage but is a fairly slow and deliberate move.
- You can heal with the D-Pad. Normally this would be a huge positive, considering having to go into a menu just to use a small potion is shitty. But the problem is you can heal during boss grabs which gives you greater margin for error which by extension means Sigma bosses are a little easier.
-/+ Removes some of the lame "puzzles", lever finding, and switch pressing. They add nothing to the game. Some people like it though (?)
+ New fiend challenge in the airship is nice, those enemy types needed a fiend challenge.
+ Greatly improves the water controls.
-/+ Adds new save statues and shops to certain places. I'm a fan of this but some people prefer the original placements.
+ Camera is slightly better in Sigma compared to Black. You can more easily use the right stick while you're moving with the left stick. Its not nearly as stiff.
-/+ The Berserker enemies are harder in Sigma. Using the Lunar's counter won't give you as many i-frames to combat them and even if they are off-screen they are far more aggressive in this version with using their energy ground attack. This can be seen as an imbalance.
- Random loading at a few doors and treasure chests.
+ The new enemies are all pretty neat. Motorcycle guards can be Guillotine Thrown off their bikes. Mermaids in the underwater level can be izuna dropped. The fat airship boss reskin you fight before the military base is nothing special, but I will gladly take it over the dumb helicopter boss (which you still fight in Sigma later anyway)
-/+ The Mission mode has been jumbled around from Black. Really weird arbitrary changes. One mission has you fight Doku, Alma, and Marbus at the same time in a small demon arena. Another has Rachel fight the Alma reskin and Ishtaros at the same time too. These can be crazy harder which is nice but they encourage spamming certain moves.
- The Sigma karma timers in some fights have been fudged with, for those who care about online leaderboards.
I can't speak for Sigma 2 since I never played through it. Just from playing the Sigma 2 demo alone, I can say I wouldn't enjoy it very much compared to the original. But with regards to Sigma 1, you're wrong.
Black was the one that added the easy mode. And lets not pretend you can't spam izuna drop on humanoid enemies in ANY version of the game. Then charge up a UT with their essence, unleash it, and repeat ad nauseam. Ninja Gaiden is not an "adult" game, not even on Master Ninja. I conquered it before I was even able to legally have a job.
- Rachel missions. These are mediocre and should have been optional.
+ New music. Its really catchy and fits the original game just fine.
- Doku's first form boss music was changed. The original was better.
+ New area in chapter 2 after the horse rider boss where you enter a burning building. Pretty neat.
+ New dual katanas. These are very well balanced and do not break the game, nor are they useless. The 360 attack in particular can deal good damage but is a fairly slow and deliberate move.
- You can heal with the D-Pad. Normally this would be a huge positive, considering having to go into a menu just to use a small potion is shitty. But the problem is you can heal during boss grabs which gives you greater margin for error which by extension means Sigma bosses are a little easier.
-/+ Removes some of the lame "puzzles", lever finding, and switch pressing. They add nothing to the game. Some people like it though (?)
+ New fiend challenge in the airship is nice, those enemy types needed a fiend challenge.
+ Greatly improves the water controls.
-/+ Adds new save statues and shops to certain places. I'm a fan of this but some people prefer the original placements.
+ Camera is slightly better in Sigma compared to Black. You can more easily use the right stick while you're moving with the left stick. Its not nearly as stiff.
-/+ The Berserker enemies are harder in Sigma. Using the Lunar's counter won't give you as many i-frames to combat them and even if they are off-screen they are far more aggressive in this version with using their energy ground attack. This can be seen as an imbalance.
- Random loading at a few doors and treasure chests.
+ The new enemies are all pretty neat. Motorcycle guards can be Guillotine Thrown off their bikes. Mermaids in the underwater level can be izuna dropped. The fat airship boss reskin you fight before the military base is nothing special, but I will gladly take it over the dumb helicopter boss (which you still fight in Sigma later anyway)
-/+ The Mission mode has been jumbled around from Black. Really weird arbitrary changes. One mission has you fight Doku, Alma, and Marbus at the same time in a small demon arena. Another has Rachel fight the Alma reskin and Ishtaros at the same time too. These can be crazy harder which is nice but they encourage spamming certain moves.
- The Sigma karma timers in some fights have been fudged with, for those who care about online leaderboards.
I can't speak for Sigma 2 since I never played through it. Just from playing the Sigma 2 demo alone, I can say I wouldn't enjoy it very much compared to the original. But with regards to Sigma 1, you're wrong.
Black was the one that added the easy mode. And lets not pretend you can't spam izuna drop on humanoid enemies in ANY version of the game. Then charge up a UT with their essence, unleash it, and repeat ad nauseam. Ninja Gaiden is not an "adult" game, not even on Master Ninja. I conquered it before I was even able to legally have a job.
Vince DiCola
Member
Sigma 1 was decent, another remix of NG but Sigma 2 was poor. They added fluff and removed features I enjoyed.
I wish Team Ninja the best with Ni Oh but I'd love a Ninja Gaiden collection
I wish Team Ninja the best with Ni Oh but I'd love a Ninja Gaiden collection
This is on place i'll disagree wholeheartedly. NG3 is absolute shit. Its not hyperbole. 3 out of 10 is a fair score.
It only went up to 6 or 7 when Razor's edge came out because they redid entire sections and completely revamped the combat to not be a mash fest. Infact, i largely consider Razor's edge to be a different game, just because the experience was so much better, even though it was still a problematic game because of basic game design like binding your health to finding a save point or doing a special attack, while having no real weapon variety.
Those of you who never tried Razor's edge, i give it a recommendation...it really should have been how 3 originally released to begin with at the very least.
Yep..Sigma 2 can be contrasted with NG2...i think they both have their weaknesses as well as strengths, i can't say one is better over the other in terms of experience. NGS2 has a lot less frustrating moments, but Ninja Gaiden 2 has a few more epic moments.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
As long as they're not the Sigma versions, I would buy.
Two things: You forgot the excellent Sega Master System NG, which is not a port. Also the PC Engine/Turbografx game is a port of the arcade, not of the first NES game!
Also the PC Engine/Turbografx game is a port of the arcade, not of the first NES game!
It's a port of the NES game, and not a very good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj_nZdlr9bU
Lupin the Third
Member
Geraldo_Ray
Member
Looking at Tecmo Koei's output on PC, I honestly wouldn't be interested in the least bit unless it's a good (or overall decent) port. As far as the games go...
-Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma:
I'm honestly fine with either one being in the collection. Some of the changes were annoying in the Sigma version, but overall both Black and Sigma were great.
-Ninja Gaiden 2 (...I guess):
Not really sure about this one. The original Ninja Gaiden 2 had a bunch of issues (framerate, stupidly high difficulty, etc.), but in the end I still had fun playing through it. Sigma 2 fixed some of those issues, but added more (statue bosses weren't really good, certain sections removed, limited upgrade system, and the newer chapters weren't exactly that great) to the point where I got pretty annoyed with the whole thing. Sigma 2 isn't bad by any means (in fact it's good), but compared to the first Sigma game I thought they went too far with some of the changes they've made. So...I guess the original, but honestly I wish they finished the original version instead of releasing the two that we got.
Never played the original version of Ninja Gaiden 3, but looking at some gameplay footage here and there it looks like a hot mess. If they decided to include 3, might as well stick with the updated Razor's Edge version (which I thought was fine overall).
-Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma:
I'm honestly fine with either one being in the collection. Some of the changes were annoying in the Sigma version, but overall both Black and Sigma were great.
-Ninja Gaiden 2 (...I guess):
Not really sure about this one. The original Ninja Gaiden 2 had a bunch of issues (framerate, stupidly high difficulty, etc.), but in the end I still had fun playing through it. Sigma 2 fixed some of those issues, but added more (statue bosses weren't really good, certain sections removed, limited upgrade system, and the newer chapters weren't exactly that great) to the point where I got pretty annoyed with the whole thing. Sigma 2 isn't bad by any means (in fact it's good), but compared to the first Sigma game I thought they went too far with some of the changes they've made. So...I guess the original, but honestly I wish they finished the original version instead of releasing the two that we got.
Never played the original version of Ninja Gaiden 3, but looking at some gameplay footage here and there it looks like a hot mess. If they decided to include 3, might as well stick with the updated Razor's Edge version (which I thought was fine overall).
Nocturno999
Member
Yeah, I would buy them for Steam.
I still revisit them from time to time.
I still revisit them from time to time.
thelastword
Banned
Which can be changed and balanced, just like they can include blood splatter + decapitation, bring in new bosses or levels, change up some levels....
Changing enemy count, how strong they are is something that can be done easily in a remaster. Just as Sigma2 did it going from vanilla NG2, so did Dark Souls 2 SOTFS, so they can strike a balance of enemy count + enemy health in a new remaster without issue. Cue the changes made in Vanilla NG3 to Razor's edge, they can even add bosses cut off from old NG2 if they want to, but don't forget the cutback was because some people complained about certain bosses and the slowdown in the game on a certain chapter. All the changes in Sigma was not because they did it for the hell of it.