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[HawksWinStanley]

I liked the advantages of the XB1 before they did the 180 with the whole family sharing thing they had going on. I never trade or sell my games and my consoles are always connected to the internet so the DRM stuff was a non-issue for me.

Now that they changed everything my interest in the XB1 dropped a lot. I will say though that with games like Destiny and The Division focusing mainly on online play I don't think MS was that far off the mark forcing an online console on us. Seems like we'll eventually need to be connected to play anything later on this gen anyway.

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

As seemingly anti consumer as they were on the digital side I would still love to have the trading option for digital titles and family shae which were actually pretty progressive.

 

[DocSeuss]

Its not the original policies that bother me anymore - they fixed them. Its the attitude of "Oh, our ideas were TOO good for consumers."

Fucking hate the arrogance.

To be fair, Microsoft's ideas were more awesome than Steam's take on it, and people rejected it because of FUD, Microsoft's AWFUL miscommunication, and Sony-powered astroturfing.

I mean, Steam is like "you can ONLY play games when the sharer isn't playing," and won't let you resell your games. Microsoft let you do both.

Pretty great ideas.

I can't wait for the day when Steam allows people to resell their games. I want to get Wolfenstein 2009...

 

[Surfheart]

what does this mean?

All Mario games are the same?

Pretty much. He feels that they are all the same. He's alluding to no cross buy for VC stuff as well.

 

[UltraRascal]

More than anything i'm still afraid they might bring these policies back just as easily as they took them out.

I don't know that they can sell everyone a console that can be played offline and then make it mandatory 24 check in.

 

[Goodacre0081]

This.

Though I'd caution you to not let your bitterness make you close minded. If Microsoft really tries hard to make up for all their bullshit then I think it's fair to forgive them, just like a lot of people forgave Sony for their bullshit with the PS3 (though they're obviously not equivalent situations).

for me, the Xbone was a chance for MS to turn things around and prove they were committed to delivering a gaming system after the last 3 dismal years of the 360.

I was amazed in May at the reveal. i just laughed and like the majority of people out there decided the PS4 was the way to go.

 

[Anion]

Again, big difference. The security issues you site were a mistake. They didn't deliberately leak the information or even sell it on. Any company can be hacked at any time. At the end of the day, this is the 21st century and cybercrime is something that all companies try their best to prevent. Its not like Sony woke up one morning and said "I know, today lets get hacked". Sony didn't hack themselves.

The security issue wasn't a mistake from what I read. They never updated the firewalls and security.


The Xbox thing though, I really think could have been avoided if they made it an option if you could opt in/out. Personally, that would have been the best way from the start. But since it was forced, kinda the best PR was to throw it as far away as they could
If they did the opt in, it would have been a pretty amazing online system for those who anyways connected the system online

 

[UNCMark]

Pretty much. He feels that they are all the same. He's alluding to no cross buy for VC stuff as well.

Honestly, it's safe to say you shouldn't be taking gaming advice from your friend. All Marios are not the same, and history shows they tend to review really well. If it was the same old crap over and over, they wouldn't. The VC stuff is bullshit though. As is their account system and demo limits. All 3 companies have legit reasons to question their commitment to gamers, but releasing the same games over and over isn't one of them. If you don't want God of War 10, Mario 100, Halo 35 etc etc don't buy them. They all offer plenty of other options.

 

[Almighty]

2. Ten people of your choosing could play ANY game in your account, at ANY time. Kinda like Steam's thing, but way more functional.

That part is up for debate. I don't think Microsoft ever really clarified exactly how game sharing would work and there were rumors floating around that it wouldn't of been that great(60 minute time limit and so on). Sure Microsoft dismissed those rumors and said that it would of been amazing, but with the system scrapped we will never know. Personally I think many were being very overly optimistic and were setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[jamiept]

the xo is what it is. i'm waiting until quantum break is released (maybe titanfall) before jumping in. the drm fiasco was a ballz up, for sure, but i never personally got angry. back then, i just made the decision to not buy an xo if they were going to stick to their restriction policies.

but they didn't.

whether it's right or wrong to be bitter is up to you. in some ways i wish they had kept their policies. i was interested to see how it played out once the xo was released into the wild.

 

[balohna]

From a moral standpoint as a consumer, I'm hesitant to support a company that would be willing to stoop to the kinds of practices they've leaned towards (DRM) and embraced (microtransactions).

It'll be hard to resist if a great new Halo comes out, but right now I don't plan to buy an Xbox One and am hesitant to continue using Windows if they keep going down the closed environment route they've started.

 

[Dlacy13g]

Theres a big difference between making an expensive product and implementing draconian anti-consumerism measures into the OS of a gaming system.

Don't forget, don't let go. That was their vision for the future of gaming and they still have time to try and implement them again in the future.

But a key difference in what you are referencing is MS never released the product with those policies. They heard the backlash, saw the impact on preorders long before release and made changes. Sony heard the backlash and outrage at the cost of the PS3 and still released it as is.

As for the OP, If you were outraged by the pre-launch drm and were one of the many who asked them to change I don't see how you can still be angry given their reversal of policies for the console. They did what you asked them to do. Now, if you just don't like the console or games so be it.

 

[Metalingus5150]

Then explain the rootkit saga and how their response was "You probably don't even know what a rootkit is, so why do you care?"

This thread shows me either a lot of this forum was born in the mid-90s or just has short memories.

The person who said that is no longer with Sony. The people who said we aren't ready are still with Microsoft.

 

[Wynnebeck]

As an owner of a 360, I can say I was appalled at the audacity of them even trying to implement their original plans in the first place. While I applaud them for getting their heads out of their asses and doing a 180 on Xbone, I still feel reluctance towards the system with the price now being biggest barrier for me.

 

[NeoGash]

It's funny, because if you held any company accountable for their past mistakes, you wouldn't be in the gaming hobby. All companies have done terribly shitty, anti-consumer things and still do it to this day. That being said, I can't help but hate Microsoft and the Xbox One. Sure, Nintendo and Sony do some filthy things, but for some reason Microsoft's ('pedigree') is worse. It's probably because they are so damn blatant about it, and the XB1 was not doing anything good for gamers at all initially.

I don't know if I can forgive and forget. The XB1 debacle was a f'ing nightmare. They basically abandoned gamers who were wanting a good console, but they let greed get in the way and churned out some PoS IMO.

 

[famousmortimer]

Do whatever you feel is right.


I've never been a big fan of the way that Microsoft has operated. Not the Xbox division only, mind you, but the entire company. I tend to not like the way they approach things stretching back to the 90s.



That said... I don't hold grudges. I was the #ps4nodrm idiot that "hates microsoft" and whatever else people assume about me - but Im trying to get a xbox one desperately, made more complicated by the fact I'm moving across the country next month and my last day of work is xmas day (no one cares about this fact but it makes me so damn happy that I mentioned it anyway). But I want one. I actually camped out for the og xbox and the 360. I hate not having the xbox one.

But that's me. I don't like Microsoft much as an entity, I don't like what the Xbox division tried to pull with the xbox one... but the xbox as it exists currently doesn't offend me enough to skip it but nor am I spending money I shouldn't on it (dropping Kinect and them stopping putting shit like Netflix behind a paywall would help...). Again, though, that's me.

Anyone who hates Microsoft because of the DRM shit and is going to skip the xbox one until the end of time - I get it, that's cool, I have no judgement against that (and anyone that does, OP's friends, are shitty people). But I don't personally feel that way. Hell, even their shitty handling of indies which bugged me has been melted away with hiring Chris Charla to run ID@Xbox.

OP, do what you feel.

 

[Card Boy]

Just because Microsoft wiped the spit from your face doesn't mean they didn't spit on you. Never forget and never forgive. They will bring back the DRM for Xbox 4 mark my words.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

This was never asked of Sony...

Sony spent their time in the wilderness, absolving themselves of the sin of hubris until they were welcomed back into the hearts and wallets of gamers. MS' sin was worse, hubris and greed for what had never been any console manufacturer's property. Still, they're out in that wilderness, already doing penance for their transgressions ahead of Sony's schedule.

Like someone said "forgive, but don't forget", and their behavior over the next two/three years with what they do with that forgiveness will be the acid test if they've lost that hubris and greed. Time will tell. Time.

 

[PG2G]

If you really want an answer to this, dont ask on GAF. You already know what answer you're going to get.

Sometimes you need to step out a bit and get some new perspective in order to figure out whether you're being rational or not.

 

[rokkerkory]

I don't hold grudges lol

If it has lots of great games, great online, decent pricing and no DRM... i'll buy it.

In 2016 that is

 

[Darksol]

Buy the system and games used. You won't miss out on any exclusives and MS won't make any money off you.

 

[ultratruman]

Microsoft is such a bizarre company.

Their bread and butter is office and enteprise, which is probably part of the reason their efforts to engage in consumer electronics comes across as socially dsconnected to the point of autism.

Zune, Surface, Windows Phones and now tragically the Xbox One. Steve Ballmer can't get out of there fast enough. His entire David Brent-esque persona of 'boss who wants you to think he's cool' exemplifies everything wrong with the company's foray into consumer electronics.

The Xbox division during the 360 and OG Xbox era were great precisely because they were the red-headed stepchild of the company.

 

[Surfheart]

As for the OP, If you were outraged by the pre-launch drm and were one of the many who asked them to change I don't see how you can still be angry given their reversal of policies for the console. They did what you asked them to do. Now, if you just don't like the console or games so be it.

I'd almost come around until the launch game Microstransaction stuff was revealed.
But it's going to be hard when good games are released, I'm really interested in Project Spark and Sunset Overdrive, but I'd feel like such a hypocrite if I caved.

 

[Nibiru]

Outrage is what caused them to reverse their stance. So no, only let go of it when they've proven to you that they're no longer taking your hobby in the wrong direction. Apathy is partly what made them think they could get away with screwing over their fans in the first place.

Well said. Xbone users can thank the outraged for fixing the product.

 

[GillianSeed79]

Forgiven, but not forgotten. Gotta watch them closely in case they try to pull this shit off again

Kind of this for me. The bullshit that they initially tried had me dead set against ever purchasing an Xbox One and the fact that the initial TV TV TV TV TV reveal was downright insulting.

Since they reversed their policies, the only major factors have been the price of the consoles and their specs. Look, despite the fact that 360 was my primary gaming console last gen, I decided to get a PS4 day one mainly because of the spec difference but partly to reward Sony doing an outstanding job courting me as a consumer and respecting me as a gamer.

At the end of the day these are game consoles. I don't think I'm going to hold a grudge for too long. If you look at the start of last gen, the reason I went with the 360 was because of arrogant Sony, $599 and a console that was notoriously difficult to program for. Yet, later on down the road when MS appeared to abandon those that built up the 360 platform and brand we saw Sony release stuff like the TLoU.

If I had held a grudge against Sony last gen I would have missed out on some of my favorite games of the generation and franchises like Uncharted and TLoU.

Does that mean I'm going to run out an buy a One tomorrow? No. Am I thinking about picking one up for Titanfall even though people will think I'm a sheeple? Sure.

Hell, I kind of want to play Ryse. (Don't hang me please).

When it comes down to it, I think PS4 will be my primary system for multiplats, One will be there for MS exclusives like Titanfall (I know it's coming out on PC but I suck at using mouse and keyboard and my friends aren't PC gamers) and Halo.

Hell, I'm actually more excited about Steam Machines, so maybe that will be my primary system because I'm too poor right now to build a new PC.

And, sadly, I think regardless of the platform, we're going to see more and more games requiring an internet connection to access all of the game's features. That's true with Kenway's fleet on ACIV and stuff like Destiny will obviously probably need an internet connection. I think this gen we're going to see the lines between MP and SP more blurred and, eventually, I think purely SP stuff isn't going to survive much to my dismay.

 

[njean777]

No you are not wrong, stick to your convictions and do not let others tell you how to feel.

 

[R0ckman]

You realize... these are companies? They aren't people that actually have any affect on your life.

In US they do. The control the government pretty much.

 

[Malechai]

This but not as a joke. Your anger and resentment will only make you stronger.

Yes, come over to the dark side

 

[valeo]

Both Sony and Microsoft will be looking at implementing DRM and always-online, to same degree, in the reasonably near future. That is nailed on. Sony obviously pulled back on any intention to do something similar when they saw how Microsoft nosedived with the public - but don't kid yourself into thinking that Sony is any better than MS in this regard.

Also, if you think microtransactions are going away - you're going to be sorely disappointed in the next few years.

 

[Neuromancer]

I'm still angry. Honestly I know it will sound silly but I felt betrayed. Not just because of the always online and the restrictions on used games, which I considered to be a direct attack on my consumer rights and my ability to play games when and how I wanted, but also their exec's attitudes were insulting and and hostile '(are you on the development team?' 'we have a product for people that aren’t able to get some form of connectivity – it’s called an Xbox 360').

I won't say I'll never buy an Xbox One if amazing exclusive games appear, but it'll have to be way down the road after a price drop. Dropping Kinect would help too. Even then the Ps4 will always be my primary console so that's where 99% of my money will go. MS fucked up big time with me.

 

[Partition]

Nintendo selling me the "same game over and over"

If you really believe that then you haven't played many Nintendo games

This argument is so played out, Nintendo franchises take more creative risks and do more to change up the previous installment than most modern shooters, if not all of them.
People just think it's more apparent with Nintendo because of the graphic style tbh.

 

[njean777]

Both Sony and Microsoft will be looking at implementing DRM and always-online, to same degree, in the reasonably near future. That is nailed on. Sony obviously pulled back on any intention to do something similar when they saw how Microsoft nosedived with the public - but don't kid yourself into thinking that Sony is any better than MS in this regard.

Also, if you think microtransactions are going away - you're going to be sorely disappointed in the next few years.

Where is your evidence Sony was going to do this? I still have yet to see any actual real evidence, because you are sounding like the journalist that said the same thing and were sorely disappointed when they didn't.

 

[valeo]

Where is your evidence Sony was going to do this? I still have yet to see any actual real evidence, because you are sounding like the journalist that said the same thing and were sorely disappointed when they didn't.

Because it's common sense that is where the gaming industry is heading? Maybe Microsoft went too soon - but that doesn't mean it wont happen.

 

[Surfheart]

If you really believe that then you haven't played many Nintendo games

This argument is so played out, Nintendo franchises take more creative risks and do more to change up the previous installment than most modern shooters, if not all of them.
People just think it's more apparent with Nintendo because of the graphic style tbh.

I don't believe that at all. My friend thinks because it's Mario it's the same old..

 

[Eusis]

Now this brings me to an ongoing argument that I am having with a friend. He thinks I'm stupid for not getting an Xbox because I will be missing out on all these fantastic games because of what he sees as much to do about nothing. He defends Microsoft by saying that "At least they were upfront about it" and he feels that I should feel more outraged by Nintendo for "Selling me the same games over and over again"

What say you on this GAF? Am I wrong to hold onto this hatred? Do you think Nintendo's transgressions are on the same scale as Microsofts?

As in absolutely refusing to get an Xbox One? Maybe but there's a wide area between "leaping to get an Xbox One day one not giving a damn" and "refusing to buy the system ever because you hate Microsoft and everything they stand for" and I think it's wholly reasonable to take a wait and see approach: it's 500 fucking dollars and anyone who didn't like those policies should probably wait and see how Microsoft acts and reacts to people's complaints. Certainly I consider it a fuckload more valid than the idea of being more outraged by Nintendo for that reason, you can just keep playing the games on older systems or not rebuy them, whereas if Microsoft ran with the initial DRM plans you'd probably be screwed out of playing XB1 games sooner than later.

... And has he seen the multiplatform situation lately? Mostly only Microsoft games or those Microsoft pays to stay are exclusive to Xbox, just about everything else is either multiplatform or exclusive to one of the other platforms. There's a good chance that statistically you'd miss the least by skipping XB1.

EDIT: And I was thinking "same old games" as in "Pay $5 to get SMB3 on Wii! Another 5 on 3DS! And 1 to have it back on Wii U if you bothered to port your data over!" If he's going "It's a Mario game it's just the same old" than... well, Nintendo has been staying disconcertingly safe, but I still think he'd be kind of an idiot in that regard. You go down that road and you can throw that at most every series out there, like people who get CoD every year or each Assassin's Creed.

 

[Phire Phox]

It wasn't arrogance.This is the problem here, and if people would educate themselves, or at least be open to accepting facts, and not so focused on making everything about them, maybe they'd learn something, stop embarrassing themselves and actually grow. I am completely fucking fed-up with this notion that Microsoft was trying to screw gamers. The 24 hour check-in was not an attempt to "screw gamers" or any such thing. People really need to get over that, and start dealing with facts objectively, and not letting their imaginations steer them toward subjective, and false reasoning. The check-in was to ensure there was no such thing as digital piracy taking place. That's it! Really, that's all it was, nothing else. Microsoft doesn't hate you, they weren't trying to screw you (they need your money, screwing you over is NOT in their best interests) and they weren't trying to control you, or punish you. They simply tried to usher in, and pioneer the digital age of gaming on consoles, albeit they got their message across a bit sloppily. They came up with a method to prevent digital piracy that didn't go over too well with gamers. But I've asked countless people to come up with a better alternative to what Microsoft offered, and to this date NO ONE has been able to come up with a better way of implementing digital DRM. And I honestly, and openly welcome anyone to try, because maybe if people have a better idea of doing this, Microsoft can adopt it and we can get to that digital point without any sacrifices.

Give it a rest now, please.

 

[njean777]

Because it's common sense that is where the gaming industry is heading? Maybe Microsoft went too soon - but that doesn't mean it wont happen.

Oh really? Proof please. once again, show me the proof that a lot of games require online to be able to play even SP. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head is Destiny, MMO's, and MP only games. All other games either have SP or an Offline component. You keep on saying this stuff as if it is common sense, but commonly a majority of games do not require online to be able to play.

Quit trying to project the future, you have no clue what will happen. Also as long as people keep on supporting always online BS then of course it may become mainstream, but luckily most people told MS to fuck off and they said never mind.

It wasn't arrogance.This is the problem here, and if people would educate themselves, or at least be open to accepting facts, and not so focused on making everything about them, maybe they'd learn something, stop embarrassing themselves and actually grow. I am completely fucking fed-up with this notion that Microsoft was trying to screw gamers. The 24 hour check-in was not an attempt to "screw gamers" or any such thing. People really need to get over that, and start dealing with facts objectively, and not letting their imaginations steer them toward subjective, and false reasoning. The check-in was to ensure there was no such thing as digital piracy taking place. That's it! Really, that's all it was, nothing else. Microsoft doesn't hate you, they weren't trying to screw you (they need your money, screwing you over is NOT in their best interests) and they weren't trying to control you, or punish you. They simply tried to usher in, and pioneer the digital age of gaming on consoles, albeit they got their message across a bit sloppily. They came up with a method to prevent digital piracy that didn't go over too well with gamers. But I've asked countless people to come up with a better alternative to what Microsoft offered, and to this date NO ONE has been able to come up with a better way of implementing digital DRM. And I honestly, and openly welcome anyone to try, because maybe if people have a better idea of doing this, Microsoft can adopt it and we can get to that digital point without any sacrifices.

Give it a rest now, please.

What about people that do not have internet? That sure does screw them, or the people that are moving and do not have internet set up that screws them and the console becomes a paperweight. It did screw people in the process, stop trying to sugarcoat it and say it wouldn't screw anybody over. Plenty of military personal were quite upset because they wouldn't be able to play games because of the online check in, so yes it would have screwed some people. When the executive in charge tells you to go "buy our offline console, the xbox 360" there is a major problem with their strategy.

 

[Anion]

It wasn't arrogance.This is the problem here, and if people would educate themselves, or at least be open to accepting facts, and not so focused on making everything about them, maybe they'd learn something, stop embarrassing themselves and actually grow. I am completely fucking fed-up with this notion that Microsoft was trying to screw gamers. The 24 hour check-in was not an attempt to "screw gamers" or any such thing. People really need to get over that, and start dealing with facts objectively, and not letting their imaginations steer them toward subjective, and false reasoning. The check-in was to ensure there was no such thing as digital piracy taking place. That's it! Really, that's all it was, nothing else. Microsoft doesn't hate you, they weren't trying to screw you (they need your money, screwing you over is NOT in their best interests) and they weren't trying to control you, or punish you. They simply tried to usher in, and pioneer the digital age of gaming on consoles, albeit they got their message across a bit sloppily. They came up with a method to prevent digital piracy that didn't go over too well with gamers. But I've asked countless people to come up with a better alternative to what Microsoft offered, and to this date NO ONE has been able to come up with a better way of implementing digital DRM. And I honestly, and openly welcome anyone to try, because maybe if people have a better idea of doing this, Microsoft can adopt it and we can get to that digital point without any sacrifices.

Give it a rest now, please.

I really think Microsoft failed to deliver a clear message and thus ended up lots of confused and angry people. Maybe if they would have had it spoken more articulately, people would have a different position. Who knows though.

You know the most ironic thing is that all these big named/advertised games are mainly online based. And moreso, sony's platform has more online benifits...

 

[BlazeBreak]

He defends Microsoft by saying that "At least they were upfront about it"

The problem is that Microsoft was NOT up front about it. It wasn't mentioned at the reveal. It leaked out as a rumor, everyone started murmuring about the possibility, and then the week before E3, Microsoft dropped the Xbomb.

Stick to your guns. If you want to seem more reasonable, you can go ahead and say, maybe years down the line, after a handful of price cuts, maybe you'll buy one if there are enough worthwhile exclusives to justify the purchase. But you're entirely justified in your current opinion that Microsoft's attitude toward their customers has reached a level where they don't deserve your money.

In my view, it's not just the Xbone fiasco. That was just the tip of the iceberg. For the last several years, Microsoft has been skewing further and further away from their core audience, adopting more anti-consumer positions, trying to nickel and dime their games more, etc etc.

[Snip of Family Sharing Talk]

Unfortunately, you can't assume a single thing you said to be true. Vague family sharing details were announced, but never clarified. And it later came to seem like it would have been nothing more than glorified demos.

If Family Sharing was really going to be this magical thing, Microsoft would have made a bigger deal out of it. Instead, they never commented on the specifics, and waited until they pulled a 360 on the DRM scheme to say "Well, no need to talk about the glorious digital future that you peasants clearly weren't ready for!"

(And no, I don't take "Microsoft did a shit job with their messaging" as any sort of excuse. Yes, they did a shit job with their messaging (because of how arrogant they were, and how confident they were in thinking Sony would follow suit with a similar DRM scheme). If it was simply a message problem, they would have at least tried to clarify their message before they pulled an emergency reversal).

 

[Neuromancer]

Both Sony and Microsoft will be looking at implementing DRM and always-online, to same degree, in the reasonably near future. That is nailed on. Sony obviously pulled back on any intention to do something similar when they saw how Microsoft nosedived with the public - but don't kid yourself into thinking that Sony is any better than MS in this regard.

Also, if you think microtransactions are going away - you're going to be sorely disappointed in the next few years.

"Sony too!!!"

It wasn't arrogance.This is the problem here, and if people would educate themselves, or at least be open to accepting facts, and not so focused on making everything about them, maybe they'd learn something, stop embarrassing themselves and actually grow. I am completely fucking fed-up with this notion that Microsoft was trying to screw gamers. The 24 hour check-in was not an attempt to "screw gamers" or any such thing. People really need to get over that, and start dealing with facts objectively, and not letting their imaginations steer them toward subjective, and false reasoning. The check-in was to ensure there was no such thing as digital piracy taking place. That's it! Really, that's all it was, nothing else. Microsoft doesn't hate you, they weren't trying to screw you (they need your money, screwing you over is NOT in their best interests) and they weren't trying to control you, or punish you. They simply tried to usher in, and pioneer the digital age of gaming on consoles, albeit they got their message across a bit sloppily. They came up with a method to prevent digital piracy that didn't go over too well with gamers. But I've asked countless people to come up with a better alternative to what Microsoft offered, and to this date NO ONE has been able to come up with a better way of implementing digital DRM. And I honestly, and openly welcome anyone to try, because maybe if people have a better idea of doing this, Microsoft can adopt it and we can get to that digital point without any sacrifices.

Give it a rest now, please.

"There was nothing wrong with what Microsoft wanted to do, they just screwed up with their messaging."

Guys I'm getting flashbacks.

 

[eliza0224]

Feeling bitterness/hate to a company is a waste of energy OP. And as another poster said, if we held a grudge against every company that offended us, we wouldn't be playing shit. I say decide if you like what the Xbox One has to offer as it is now.

 

[ICPEE]

I'm surprised so many have replied with "they reversed their policies, just buy the system" argument while forgetting the single most important factor, consumer trust. MS has voilated that with a few policies they wanted to enforce with Xbox One.

I for one am not interested in the system because I don't trust MS because the intent was there. These policies can just so easily be reversed later in this generation.
Sony took ages to regain consumer trust and confidence after the 600dollar PS3 launch, why should MS get a free pass on something that is much more damaging to the industry as a whole.

If you ask me, policy reversals is not gona cut it. They have to work harder to regain my trust again.

Just my 2cents

 

[RedNumberFive]

"Sony too!!!"

"There was nothing wrong with what Microsoft wanted to do, they just screwed up with their messaging."

Guys I'm getting flashbacks.

I really thought we would have gotten these responses much sooner. Way to stay on message guys!

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Stick to your guns. Do what you feel is right.
I was bitter at first, but ever since they reversed it. Not as much. LOL at your friend defending them with "at least they are upfront." Nintendo isn't the only one that resell the same game to the consumer. He should try playing some of their newer games and see if its the same game.

Once they get more exclusives for XB1 that'll interest me, then I would get one.

 

[Metalingus5150]

There's a lot of arguing going on and I will just say.
You're not wrong to be bitter about Microsoft and their original policies for the Xbone.
Your friend shouldn't be telling how you should feel about it, there are a lot of people who feel the same way about those policies. If you want to forgive Microsoft you can, if you don't, you don't have to.

 

[The One and Done™]

Well the fact that DRM on a The One would have been revolutionary I think you're holding onto the the hate unnecessarily. The only thing Microsoft did wrong was how they marketed DRM and that fool Adam Orth is to blame for the start of the PR Nightmare. Had they been able to propose their idea in the tight way we'd be able to share our games with friends and family digitally and play our games more quickly. No we will have to wait a whole gen for it to happen which is sad. I can only hope they bring DRM back soon. Digital/Streaming/multitasking/voice commands are the future of game consoles NOT resolution.

 

[iceatcs]

To be honest, I'm more bitter to the Xbox Gold gamers. They are the one made it all happened. At least there are some gamers made massive campaign to got rid the DRM. Paywall still the problem unfortunately.

 

[jedimike]

The 180 that Microsoft was forced into proves that gamers are relics of a past era. We completely accept DRM for the tens of millions of tablets, phones, and computers and would throw a fit if we had to go to the store to buy physical copies of every piece of software we wanted to install, but for some reason we have to cling to the past with consoles.

If you go look up Microsoft's 2020 vision for the future, you'd completely understand the design of xbone before it was ruined by the dinosaurs of gaming.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I don't actively HATE Microsoft for what they pulled. They learned their lesson that they can't do shit like that without it severely affecting their profits.

But I don't have money/time/space for a 4th console and they simply blew their chance at me giving them a larger consideration. Once it was clear what direction they wanted to go in, I went with Wii U over Xbox One and I'm not looking back. If someone else can look past it or thinks the game selection outweighs any issues they might have with policy, that's their choice and I respect it fully.

 

[kittens]

Feel what you want, dude. I'm significantly less inclined to buy a Microsoft product now, personally.