Or maybe it's a demo to demonstrate what an NX machine could do in the future.
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WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for NX (Console + Handheld units)
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LoveCake
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Why is everyone now saying that Nintendo should have a two year console cycle now?
I don't want Nintendo to become Apple, i have an original 3DS & it's the best version imo, it is small enough to fit in the pocket for a start, i do not have any other 3DS versions as there is no point, all this two year cycle would do is split the user-base unless the system is compromised to play the previous versions games.
There would also be no guarantee that you will get a said game that would work on whatever system you have, everyone is saying Nintendo should push Zelda over to the NX, well what about WiiU owners?
If it Nintendo are going to go the short cycle option then people may as well just skip every other generation.
I cannot believe people are seriously suggesting this as a good idea, i would be interested to know how many suggesting short cycles currently a WiiU.
I don't want Nintendo to become Apple, i have an original 3DS & it's the best version imo, it is small enough to fit in the pocket for a start, i do not have any other 3DS versions as there is no point, all this two year cycle would do is split the user-base unless the system is compromised to play the previous versions games.
There would also be no guarantee that you will get a said game that would work on whatever system you have, everyone is saying Nintendo should push Zelda over to the NX, well what about WiiU owners?
If it Nintendo are going to go the short cycle option then people may as well just skip every other generation.
I cannot believe people are seriously suggesting this as a good idea, i would be interested to know how many suggesting short cycles currently a WiiU.
fabricated backlash
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Really I don't care what's inside the box as long as the online play remains free.
Pancakes R Us
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I meant it in the sense of people that own a PS4 and a Wii U. Second console.
I really don't think Sony should be worried about a tonne of their gamers jump in ship to NX. The majority of the audiences of both tend to have different tastes.
PdotMichael
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It's just something people repeat every new hardware gen.
Makes me wonder why there is still no guy who talk about holographic data storage for the NX - that was normally a safebet for new Nintendo hardware bingo.
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That's how I think they should do it, but then again, I'm not Nintendo.
OK thus all hypothetical but what people talk about isnt a cycle because the old model is still supported. Think of a PC, newer models are released but you can still play new games with your old rig. At some point though you decide to upgrade.
Graphics Horse
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So? That's kind of the point, you should get rid of the idea of cycles really, the previous systems would still play the latest games if they did it right, just like the mobile versions would be able to.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Why do you care if people want to upgrade and play on new, more powerful, more feature devices? I know theres a few people like you here that worry too much about other people having new stuff while you guys keep the old one. Its fine you keep your old one but some people like new tech let them buy however they want. Its truly a weird complaint because if its money then thats a non issue bevause no one is forcing you to upgrade. But technology in this specific area of devices is moving faster than ever and there will be times you have to upgrade. Its not just gameboy for 4 years anymore. Its different times now.
PdotMichael
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You are quite ahead, even ahead of Nintendo which didn't announce a fucking thing.
Stuff like sinking prices and higher margin of profit are still the bread and butter of every post-launch hardware developement.
Gucci Messiah
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No thank you
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This speculation based off Iwata quotes about apple. Thats how they run stuff over there. Thats how any mobile device manufacture run stuff now. So step aside
PdotMichael
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key word.
I don't have any link from bgassassin unfortunately. It's in the WUSTS if you dare go venturing in there
I am confused though because I never said they downgraded then upgraded. My understanding is that the garden demo was looking really good (E3 2011 IIRC) and then sometime in 2012 they just neutered it. I'm not sure why but I think it was something to do with stability or some such.
And you will be hurt again if you dare go down that path again.
Take everything with a grain of salt. We heard a similar thing about the Wii U. People talking it up....until it got downgraded.
I fucking love my new 3DSXL. I used the GameStop offer this past summer and traded in my 2011 OG 3DS launch model for $100 store credit,
I didn't buy it for any of the new games or the n3DS exclusive Xenoblade. Mainly got it for the XL's larger screen, the awesome face/eye tracking 3D and built-in C-stick because the most annoying thing about old 3DS for me was the Circle Pad Pro attachment always losing connection or running out of juice, always having to re-calibrate.
The vastly more stable 3D is wonderful.
I didn't buy it for any of the new games or the n3DS exclusive Xenoblade. Mainly got it for the XL's larger screen, the awesome face/eye tracking 3D and built-in C-stick because the most annoying thing about old 3DS for me was the Circle Pad Pro attachment always losing connection or running out of juice, always having to re-calibrate.
The vastly more stable 3D is wonderful.
AKA it was the perfect time for me to upgrade
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Of course this whole thread speculation not sure why you quote in the first place nobody knows nothing for sure
PdotMichael
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Your posts from a position of authority appear quite differently. Even if you indeed just talk out of your ass.
I think semi regular revisions make sense for the handheld, but not for the home console, and they should not split the library/userbase for a long time. If you buy a Nintendo games machine, it should be supported with Nintendo game releases for a decent amount of time. Requiring you to buy a new version of the same device to play new releases would not go down well.
Enhancements that make sense for the handheld: An XL model that increase the screen size and resolution. A 3D model that play the same games at the same resolution, but with stereoscopy, a 3D XL model that does both.
That would let them release a new model every ~18 months without splitting the userbase. Then they can do an NX handheld 2, with full BC and increased specs for new games. Then repeat a similar upgrade cycle.
Edit: I guess revisions for the home console like a slim/mini model, or increased storage space make sense, but assuming the initial release is similar size to the Wii/Wii U (perhaps smaller if they abandon the disc drive in favour of a cartridge slot), they'd probably have more success with colour variants, like they did with the Gamecube and the Wii.
Enhancements that make sense for the handheld: An XL model that increase the screen size and resolution. A 3D model that play the same games at the same resolution, but with stereoscopy, a 3D XL model that does both.
That would let them release a new model every ~18 months without splitting the userbase. Then they can do an NX handheld 2, with full BC and increased specs for new games. Then repeat a similar upgrade cycle.
Edit: I guess revisions for the home console like a slim/mini model, or increased storage space make sense, but assuming the initial release is similar size to the Wii/Wii U (perhaps smaller if they abandon the disc drive in favour of a cartridge slot), they'd probably have more success with colour variants, like they did with the Gamecube and the Wii.
PdotMichael
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Different form factors aren't the same as hardware upgrades.
The 3DS XL with large display or the 2DS without 3D or stereo speakers target different target groups.
It makes sense to provide different formfactors for a mobile hardware unlike a console which general is just somewhere around your TV.
The 3DS XL with large display or the 2DS without 3D or stereo speakers target different target groups.
It makes sense to provide different formfactors for a mobile hardware unlike a console which general is just somewhere around your TV.
Yeah. That said, a ~4 year upgrade cycle for home console might be enough of a balance between having the same console hardware for developers & consumers, and not losing any gained 3rd party support once Sony and Microsoft's next gen consoles come out sometime between 2018 and 2020.
A second gen Nintendo NX home console in Fall 2020 might be ideal.
Yeah I hope they've heard the criticisms on Wii U's OS. The speed improvements and quick menu have made it more than tolerable but it's still too slow. I actually like the way it looks, I find it super easy to use, allowing us to organise things ourselves in folders == YES! - but in terms of being demanding enough to require extra loading - it's too visually complex - not everything about the console needs to be 'gamey'. The OS UI is a means to an end, a way to get to content and games, it needs to look nice but it doesn't need to be bloated to hell. I don't particularly think the new XMB or Xbone experiences are heaps better, if they get nice designers on this they could make something fun and slick.
I'd rather have separate VC menus for each of the old consoles too btw. A loader that actually celebrates the consoles and carts themselves.
I agree, I like the looks of it but it's frustrating when even seeing your online friends requires considerable loading.
Maybe they could just go for something like Android or iOS, I mean look, most people are used to them by now.
I think there is possible credence to the reports that the NX OS will be based on Android (in the same sense that the PS4 OS is based on FreeBSD and the Xbox OS is based on Windows).
It won't look like Android, won't be heavily branded as such, and end users probably wouldn't even realise through normal usage, but it could solve a bunch of problems for Nintendo.
It won't look like Android, won't be heavily branded as such, and end users probably wouldn't even realise through normal usage, but it could solve a bunch of problems for Nintendo.
PdotMichael
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Why Android and not just using Linux then?
Candescence
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Linux is far less supported by engines than Android is, really. Android is widely-supported due to it being pretty much the most widely-used smartphone OS.
And, yeah, I can see Nintendo using Android as a base despite denying that they're not using it (which is something they probably just said to stop stupid people freaking out). They're not gonna be use standard Android, but rather a custom OS based off of it, much like SteamOS is to Lunix.
And, yeah, I can see Nintendo using Android as a base despite denying that they're not using it (which is something they probably just said to stop stupid people freaking out). They're not gonna be use standard Android, but rather a custom OS based off of it, much like SteamOS is to Lunix.
LoveCake
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The whole point of a console is stability, you buy one knowing that it will last for 5-7 years & you put in a disc/cart & it will work fine & has been optimised to run at it's best on the device.
That is all you do, you do not have to worry that a year down the line you are going to have to upgrade or buy a new machine.
I can imagine how people would react if Sony & MS announced next week that the PS5 & NextBox will be released in 18 months time.
I just do not understand this, i like new tech but are people going to spend £300 every-other year on a new console? then again people spend £300 every year to upgrade their iPhone, i just don't like to waste money un-necessarily that's all.
Yes that is a PC, when you upgrade a PC you buy & install a new CPU or GPU maybe add more RAM & a faster HDD/SSD, you do not upgrade the whole machine, unless consoles are going to allow upgrading of the CPU & GPU, but that would be contrary to the STEAM machines that are trying to achieve by creating a more level playing-field in the PC areana.
Kissenkopf
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Would be crazy if Nintendo would go in that direction...upgrading parts of your console. But everyone calls Nintendo crazy so it wouldn't be impossible.
And then they get ports of PC games like in my dream last night...a port of Star Citizien.
An upgradeable console from Nintendo (or Sony or Microsoft) is so not happening. Neither are biyearly new console hardware launches.
However a new NX console every 4 years wouldn't be bad. New hardware is always backward compatible with old games, and new games would always run on 1 generation of older hardware. That way you're always good for 8 years if you don't want to buy another console.
However a new NX console every 4 years wouldn't be bad. New hardware is always backward compatible with old games, and new games would always run on 1 generation of older hardware. That way you're always good for 8 years if you don't want to buy another console.
PdotMichael
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And why is that better than the long cross-gen phase we see this gen?
If you even force that new games should run out of old gen devices you would just increase developement costs and let the more power and new hardware architecture unused.
Saying that Uncharted 4 should run on PS3/PS4 would only mean that Naughty Dogs could neither use the SPUs of the Cell nor the GPU computing capacities of the PS4 in a meaningful way.
I'm not really saying that it would work or be ideal, it was just a thought about one possible solution. I guess it depends on how it would handled. Could be horribly wrong, or, a compromise. Nothing any company does will be without fault. The bottom line for Nintendo or any company is profit and staying in the game.
The problem with this approach (which has much in common with iOS, where game devs usually target a least the latest model and the previous model) is that there is not really much reason to upgrade to a new console if it won't let you play new games.
Enhanced games, or something like 4k support, would appeal to a section of the market, but I think a larger section of the market only really upgrades their console when they need to do so in order to play new games.
The majority of iOS users don't upgrade specifically in order to be able to access newer games, they just want a nicer phone. I don't think this applies equally to games consoles.
I think they need a hard cut off for games between generations, to lessen the burden of supporting multiple hardware configurations for devs, and to give customers a stronger reason to upgrade. They'll still maintain compatibility with older games on the new devices though.
PdotMichael
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All those concepts and ideas are just failing at addressing any structural problems in the industry but just adding a bunch of new problems to the mix.
Even if you look at the New 3DS - hardware upgrade but Nintendo forecasts 7,6 million shipped 3DS handhelds this year. So even the main point that hardware upgrades would refresh the interest on something is flawed at best.
I think it makes more sense to just release a new NX platform that works with the old games in that scenario rather than having new games work on the new one.
I'm actually trying to think of big new franchises that launched toward the end of a console generation. I've got:
God of War
Fire Emblem (Japan only)
Donkey Kong Country
They may have a point.
Candescence
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Pretty much. No reason to force devs to support older devices if they don't want to.
test_account
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Regarding "industry leading chips", how do you think that this ties in with price? Nintendo did afterall drop the price pretty fast, and pretty much as well (40% in Japan). The 3DS is 15k yen there, dropped from 25k yen. Would Nintendo go for a ~25k price tag again? And how will that tie in with "industry leading chips" as in terms of hardware power.
You can use voice chat, just not with some games. Just like PC/PS4/Xbox One.
Or do you mean voice chat on a system level?
Previous gen was sort of a special case IMO. Introducing HD, with the ps3 and x360 being cutting edge but overpriced at first. They had to do hard work to put those in most customers houses and this took time.
Nintendo in the other hand always do hardware every 5 years, but can't sustain software for it more than 4 years.
I agree 5-6 years is a sweet spot. But then again, on the NX topic, I think this "generation" idea will no longer exist.
Gurgelhals
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What CPU microarchitecture do they want to use anyway? x86 is a given considering that there aren't any viable alternatives anymore and another AMD deal is all but confirmed. But that doesn't leave Nintendo with very good options, does it? I mean, AMD's current, Bulldozer-derived microarchitectures are definitely not "industry leading chips", but a) outdated and b) have always kinda sucked. And Zen probably won't be ready if they're planning to launch in either late 2016 or early 2017, especially not for affordable mass market devices such as consoles.
I'm going to be very disappointed if they're just going to go down the Xbone/PS4 route and use Jaguar / Puma cores, but what other options are there?
I'm going to be very disappointed if they're just going to go down the Xbone/PS4 route and use Jaguar / Puma cores, but what other options are there?
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biglittleps
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There is no good user base for 3rd party game sales in Nintendo platforms which has been proved from their last two consoles and also 3rd parties wont jump easily just because NX is powerful (NX wont be powerful than PS4 because that will make NX expensive and also have small library to choose/play at launch compared to 3 years old PS4, so NX needs to be cheap to be competitive).
Guerrillas in the Mist
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I take it we've had no hint so far as to what sort of "USP" the NX will have, unless the close link between the console and handheld side is exactly what that is?
Thats strictly western AAAs on homeconsoles for what its worth.
I wouldn't bet on this happening.
Cheeseman Battitude
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No, other than it absorbing the Wii U architecture. And if that means BC then it's hardly unique.
I'm interested to see how innovative they'll be this time.
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