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WWDC10 Thread of iPhones and iProducts galore
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you guys are over thinking this way too much. most idevices forever now have had a universal sized dock and the idevice itself comes with a "dock adapter". aside from the ipad, I can't think of the last time I bought a dock-based device that was specifically shaped for specific generations. It would in fact be silly given that from generation to generation it is almost guaranteed there will be size differences.
if you have an existing dock, chances are it has the standard dock size and the iphone 4 will comes with an adapter just like the iphone 3gs, 3g, and iphone 2g before it.
if you have an existing dock, chances are it has the standard dock size and the iphone 4 will comes with an adapter just like the iphone 3gs, 3g, and iphone 2g before it.
Flo_Evans said:
form factor only. dock pin connector shape is unchanged (there may be pin changes like back in the day where they removed firewire charging ports from the dock, but we don't know that yet.)
eg: if you have a stereo that has a big empty shell for universal dock adapters, this iphone should work just fine with a new molding adapter on the bottom.
Ready Up Already
Neo Member
I'm disappointed that the 3GS never really delivered on its promise of substantially better-looking games. Sure, some games had slightly higher frame-rates, and marginally improved water effects, but nothing that I'd count as a real leap. The 3GS had the PowerVR SGX chip, which was essentially its own dedicated GPU even though I wouldn't put it up against the 5870 just yet.Minsc said:
It's possible that the A4 has either the SGX or an upgraded model built in; not familiar what the chip enough myself and obviously Apple isn't telling.
But yeah, I really don't see why the iPhone 4 couldn't rival the PSP in terms of graphics at this point. The only thing that could really hold it back is developers coding with the 3GS and now-discontinued 3G still in mind.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Yeah every iPhone/iPod stereo I've seen has a big open area for the device to fit in, and the iPhone itself comes with a little plastic mold that fits into that open area. I bet a lot of you just throw that thing away not knowing what it is.
If you have an Apple dock, you deserve to get screwed for buying a $30 plastic block.
If you have an Apple dock, you deserve to get screwed for buying a $30 plastic block.
qft.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I really don't care about micro scratches.. then again I have a white iphone. scratches on the screen would be disastrous. scratches on the back.. meh.. as long as they aren't gouges or something.
this was NOT the result of the 3GS chip.. bottom line is that with a shit load of 3G's, 2G's, and 1st and 1nd generation touches out there it is impossible for a developer to program to the 3GS beyond just like adding additional shaders and whatnot in there. You saw some of what the 3GS was capable of in not-so-3G-friendly games like EspgaludaII(sp?) and Chaos Rings.. but the bottom line is that right now, making a 3GS only game means leaving out every device from 3G on back... that's a lot of iphones left out.Ready Up Already said:
a better representation is some of the ipad only games we're seeing right now. I would guess by this fall we'll start seeing more games on the app store requiring at least a 3GS or touch 3rd gen with two generations of touches and iphones able to play them.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Well, with the status of the iphone in Spain, I would probably be able to get around 250 for it if I sell it to get the iphone 4. And probably, will be able to get 300/350 if the thing looks like out of the box.
Also, I love shiny things, don't like scratches on my shiny things
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
Yeah something does seem to be a little off.dorkimoe said:
Ready Up Already said:
a couple things.
market share is the biggest issue. big majority of iphones are using older hardware so the leap with the 3gs is not going to be used by many devs. that will change in a couple years as old iphones are replaced by 3gs and 1iphone 4 devices.
another thing i've read is that although the hardware is beefy, there's more overhead to the OS compared to a dedicated handheld console so it's tougher to wring psp like gfx performance out of the iphone.
I'm hoping for more high end 3gs/i4 optimized games in the next 12 months as people upgrade.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Chorazin said:
I get 50 dollars of the iPhone for my company. That was with the 3GS of course.
concerning toolbar extensions in safari 5.
as I said, the Mac community is relatively vocal about BS app extensions.
I wouldn't expect ones like this to get much exposure.
http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/post/676610980/post-amazon-search-bar-06-08-10#notes
as I said, the Mac community is relatively vocal about BS app extensions.
I wouldn't expect ones like this to get much exposure.
http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/post/676610980/post-amazon-search-bar-06-08-10#notes
yep - http://www.meritline.com/iphone-charger-dock-black---p-39102.aspxLiu Kang Baking A Pie said:
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Bluetooth is always on for me. My car supports it..Charred Greyface said:
Stereo across the speakers and phone ftw.
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
I looked Negri up on Google and they seem to be a pretty legit site. There were some negative reviews but nothing on being shady or tactless.dorkimoe said:
http://www.beyzacases.com/pd_apple_iphone_3g_s_side_sr_booktype_case.cfm
Anybody ever use Beyza cases? This looks insanely slick in the brown or khaki canvas. It's for the 3gs but they already have an iPhone 4 section up. Would kind of be worried about the leather staining the steel a light brown or something though. Not sure.
Anybody ever use Beyza cases? This looks insanely slick in the brown or khaki canvas. It's for the 3gs but they already have an iPhone 4 section up. Would kind of be worried about the leather staining the steel a light brown or something though. Not sure.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
yea i've ordered cables off meritline.. im actually staring at one right now. Works just fine.Tobor said:
Slickdeals normally has like a coupon for their cables every 2-3 weeks that only lasts like a couple hrs..
I got my last cable for 49 cents with free shipping.
The shipping took like 3 weeks though.
yep, i've purchased loads of items off them for years, including the aforementioned dock (several), cables, etc. they ship out of HK though, so it'll take a few weeks to get it to you, although even that's reasonable considering they don't charge shipping.Tobor said:
and most of the comments stating the cable doesn't fit are dolts - just flip the cable so that the top of it is facing bottom.
Shanks said:
honestly, i don't see why anyone would want a flip style folio case for an iphone. blocks access to the main face and gets in your way while you're on a call. (at least on the ipad, they can be flipped around and used a stand for typing and watching video)
meh. any case that sacrifices ease of use and access to key functions is a no go in my books.
the iphone 4 is made of pretty sturdy stuff. if you happen to be super paranoid about scratches, a screen protector and simple shell or bumper type ring for the SS is all you "need".
of course, the plastic covers will scratch more than the device ever would, but at least you can take them off if you resell it down the line.
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dorkimoe said:
neither. it's wifi.
minutes are used for voice portion only
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm guessing you are talking about Ipad, or do you have new Iphone already? It would be hard to make any direct comparison with Ipad, but as dark10x mentioned, there's already been some clear signs that ipad has less fillrate at its disposal than 3GS for the gaming types of stuff - and new Iphone could suffer even worse thanks to a chip that likely won't even run at 1GHz like the Ipad one does.mrkgoo said:
As for the screen being darker, I know that it's not on Ipad, but that's also physically much bigger screen, with different and bigger backlight etc. I was looking at some screens on Engadget from the Iphone 4 announcement and that's where I saw this. In all these screens 3GS is on the left. But then again, it could be just the camera angle playing tricks for all I know.
*edit* Then again, on this other photo made later on, it seems the exact opposite. As you said it's hard to say without knowing what their brightness slider is set to:
Lord Error said:I'm guessing you are talking about Ipad, or do you have new Iphone already? It would be hard to make any direct comparison with Ipad, but as dark10x mentioned, there's already been some clear signs that ipad has less fillrate at its disposal than 3GS for the gaming types of stuff - and new Iphone could suffer even worse thanks to a chip that likely won't even run at 1GHz like the Ipad one does.
As for the screen being darker, I know that it's not on Ipad, but that's also physically much bigger screen, with different and bigger backlight etc. I was looking at some screens on Engadget from the Iphone 4 announcement and that's where I saw this. In all these screens 3GS is on the left. But then again, it could be just the camera angle playing tricks for all I know.
Ah, I see what you mean. I think this apparent 'darkness' is just the projector and the angle of the shot. Keep in mind that the screens on the big screen are not actually cameras pointed at the iPhone, but a video out from the devices.
REgarding fillrate, I'm speaking from iPad. Things work well .So there are some indications fillrates are being hit on certain applications - so those application are either unoptimized for the specs of the device or aren't appropriate. You may argue that such and such a chip/device SHOULD be able to do something or other, but I tend to wait and see what it can do, not speculate about what it can't.
edit: Also, don't underestimate the process of attaching the glass to the LCD diretly (no air gap in between). My camera screen uses a similar technique and it's amazing. The iPhone being a touch screen will make that even more apparent. Your touch will be more 'direct' as the image appears to be closer to the surface, and with such a high res display, it will look and feel a bit more like print.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Very nice to know, I didn't know that. And yeah, from some other real life photos if new iphone the screen seems plenty bright for sure.mrkgoo said:
Absolutely, I'm just worried if my pinball games will stay 60FPS on the new iphone and that Espgaluda 2 won't be skipping frames even more now
(one of the main reasons I want this is to have that game run at a rock sold framerate!) For regular OS interface use, I've noticed that Ipad is even snappier than 3GS though.
So what's going to happen with the iPod touches now, will they stick with the iPhone 3G style or make a shift like the iPhone 4? Then again if those prototypes camera equipped iPod Touches are now in production (i.e. not just concept) then that would mean they're probably not going the iPhone 4 route/style.. If they revealed an iPod Touch that's exactly like the iPhone 4 (- phone), then i'd definitely buy it. I'm also sort of excited about what this phone means for cases in general. Imagine how easy it will be to put back protective cover/films on now. Plus it's supposedly really scratch resistant to begin with so..
Lord Error said:Very nice to know, I didn't know that. And yeah, from some other real life photos if new iphone the screen seems plenty bright for sure.
Absolutely, I'm just worried if my pinball games will stay 60FPS on the new iphone and that Espgaluda 2 won't be skipping frames even more now
Yeah, for sure! If you're concerned with that, that's fine. Personally, I tend not to run iPhone games on my iPad, so I've never experienced it. Is it possible that the same game can be optimized by being made natively for the iPad?
If the iPad (or iPhone 4) is less capable of doing game 'X', then I just won't see game 'X', I get game 'Y' and it doesn't bother me. Like I said, I just like to see what the device can do and I don't let what it can't get to me.
Scarecrow said:
Pros: Do everything you ever wanted that the default set of features can't do.
Cons: A small bit of 'effort' (I've heard not really), and then kind of relying on those jailbreaks when new official updates come out, to an extent. For example, a new update comes out, and unless you want to go back to stock iPhone, you have to wait further. I guess the argument for that is that you probably already have variations of the features that were introduced
. In general, it's just something else you have to deal with. Changing your SSH password once you've jailbroken and so on. Dealing with bugs with any add-ons you get. Obviously there are bugs in non-JB stuff, but generally those are experienced by others too, so it can be easier to diagnose (if not fix). For me, jailbreaking just consumes time - and I don't mean time in jailbreaking, but in hunting down all the background about it, and the stuff you want for it. I waste too much damn time as it is on a stock iPhone. Sentry said:
The Touch has always been different than the iPhone, it's own style really. Maybe they'll redesign it somewhat, but I wouldn't expect them to make it look exactly like the iPhone 4 (though I would guess it will have most of the hardware features like the A4 and the gyroscope).
thechemist
Member
Keylime
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Pros - More customization, more functionality, less restrictionsScarecrow said:
Cons - Kind of illegal...border line immoral...minimally frowned upon, less stable phone, have to wait for jailbreaks of new firmwares before updating.
If you know what you're doing, you should be fine, but if not, I wouldn't recommend it at all.
Lord Error said:I'm guessing you are talking about Ipad, or do you have new Iphone already? It would be hard to make any direct comparison with Ipad, but as dark10x mentioned, there's already been some clear signs that ipad has less fillrate at its disposal than 3GS for the gaming types of stuff - and new Iphone could suffer even worse thanks to a chip that likely won't even run at 1GHz like the Ipad one does.
As for the screen being darker, I know that it's not on Ipad, but that's also physically much bigger screen, with different and bigger backlight etc. I was looking at some screens on Engadget from the Iphone 4 announcement and that's where I saw this. In all these screens 3GS is on the left. But then again, it could be just the camera angle playing tricks for all I know.
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*edit* Then again, on this other photo made later on, it seems the exact opposite. As you said it's hard to say without knowing what their brightness slider is set to:
Wow at that last one. Looks awesome.
:lol
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
mckmas8808 said:
Talk about loose correlations.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
For the exact same reason why people give a shit if any other of their things have tiny scratches and scuffs on them. :|
mrkgoo said:
Could you please be more specific?
Keylime
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Hey, I have my iPhone jailbroken, doesn't mean I don't think it's generally wrong.scorcho said:illegal and immoral :lol
palinesque indeed
I just accept it for what it is.
"Illegal" probably isn't right, but I have no idea. I can't imagine AT&T or Apple is happy with people unrestricting their 3G access by tricking their phones to constantly think it's in WiFi mode...or by allowing their iPhones to be turned into WiFi hotspots. Perhaps the act of jailbreaking isn't illegal, but certainly feels like those applications would be legally actionable, wouldn't they?
Dreams-Visions
Member
cons:Scarecrow said:
-you may download software that eats battery life, so you have to monitor what you install so that you can uninstall it if need be.
-could be "immoral" if you download apps sold in the app store for free.
-???
-that's about it.
pros:
-More control over your system
-ability to customize the lock screen (the screen with the "slide to unlock" button on it)
-tethering to your computer for internet access or creation of wifi hotspots
-ability to install software made available outside of Apple's AppStore
-customizable icons
-real multitasking
-video chat will be hacked to work on 3G
-game emulators
-Android dual-booting
-direct control of things like screen dimming, wifi connection sleep, etc.
-ability to support more audio/video formats (FLAC, avi, etc)
-creation of blacklist/whitelist callers
-better text response options
-ability to directly download youtube videos
-ability to block ads in safari
-jailbreak can be "removed" by simply reinstalling the OS, if need be. maybe 15 minutes (+ the time to restore your latest backup).
-etc.
mescalineeyes
Banned
where's everyone getting 4.0 from. I am really aching for it.