They announced they had passed 70 million on 16th of November last year. MS announced the same at the end of September last year (i think?).
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They announced they had passed 70 million on 16th of November last year. MS announced the same at the end of September last year (i think?).
bleachrude
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I disagree with this quite strongly.
Explain how the PS3 came back and finished so strongly (it and the 360 ar epractically necka nd neck) given that in all honesty, it was in a worse position than MS?
Sony may win this generation but I honestly don't think it will be like the Ps2 era. Hell, I don't even think it will be as dominating as the Wii was when compared to the Ps3/360.
At best, I'm thinking a 3:2.5:1 breakdown 60 million Ps4, 50 million Xbox1 and 20 million Wii U.
Syphon Filter
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i never though they eould sell that much. well deserved.i can see it hitting 100 million.
IncandescentPrecept
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Because PS3 had the PS brand and Japan behind it. Gaming is synonymous with PS in many countries including the smaller regions.
I would say games plus a stronger presence overseas had a lot to do with it. I'm not saying the Xbox One is going to flop, but Microsoft really did not do themselves ANY favors with how they have begun so far. They're going to have to deliver on the game fronts to make a strong of a comeback as Sony did, IMO.
bleachrude
Banned
Which is why it is WAY..WAY too early to actually determine the outcome.
Will the PS4 do better in the rest of the world (except Brazil). Sure.
Will it win America..sure I can see that.
Will it dominate like the Ps2 or the Wii did?
Not very likely (aka <10% chance o that happening IMO)
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Why? Who would be considering spending 600 bucks on a new console + game + tax and decide against it because the old system is now 99 bucks?
Yup. Even more, it should be a battle to attract the audience to their ecosystem (Xbox Live), regardless of the platform.
Cave Johnson
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HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA, where is this video from?
WolfForager
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People seem to be 50/50 on whether the PS3 is above or below 80mil. I thought it was known to be ahead of the 360 LTD for the last 6 months to a year? Wouldn't that put it well over 80million?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Some classic responses in this thread, I laughed.
To go from 20m to 80m before the end of the generation is a fantastic achievement, the 360 is my favourite console ever.
The fact remains that Sony and MS pushing each other like this has been great news for everyone.
To go from 20m to 80m before the end of the generation is a fantastic achievement, the 360 is my favourite console ever.
The fact remains that Sony and MS pushing each other like this has been great news for everyone.
Dragonborn
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You're seriously underestimating the PS4 here. Look at it this way, the 360 sold more than half it's units in just the US (around 44 million iirc?) and The UK (around 8 million?). In both those regions, especially the US, it just dominated the PS3. Meanwhile, the PS3 was able to catch up and might even end up ahead thanks to the rest of the world.
Now, looking at the PS4 and XB1, by all accounts it seems that in NA and the UK it'll at least be a very even fight, a 50/50 split between the two (and that's being generous towards MS). Even a 50/50 split in the US would be a huge win for Sony and MS will lag behind by a lot. The only reason they've kept up is the US, they loose their stranglehold and that's it.
MS had EVERY advantage going into this gen, a strong early lineup, a better price, better online, better looking games (at the start), better looking multiplats, 1 to 1 1/2 year head start and Sony STILL managed to catch up and will likely end up ahead. Now, really ask yourself, with the X1 at such a disadvantage, how in the world can you expect it to be anywhere close to the PS4 in WW sales?
I fully expect the PS4 to sell at least 15-20 million units more than the X1. There's just no way it doesn't, unless I'm missing something here?
Pretty sure the PS3 has at least matched the 360 worldwide...probably outsold it by now...
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Just where you bought that crystal ball.
I honestly have no idea. I saw it on Reddit and I saved it a while back.
Edit: Found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOpkA_SiNDg
sony would be shouting from the roof tops if it passed 360, but its obviously very close now
Dragonborn
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It's not a crystal ball though. Look at the situation this gen logically. How can you expect the X1 to perform anywhere near on par with the PS4? Unless, the X1 is able to get a 2 to 1 lead in the US like this gen, it's not going to happen. But again, maybe I'm missing something here? Are there some numbers I'm not aware of?
A good result and it's amazing they held 2nd place for so long. They should see okay tail with 360 although MS probably lack the presence globally to really milk the sales in the way Sony did with PS2 and no doubt hope to do with PS3 in more emerging markets - although if MS make it dirt cheap and get Live going better those markets who knows?
killatopak
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Good job MS. Here's to hoping Xbox One is at least as successful if not more than the 360.
WolfForager
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But the fact that they do have a bigger install base in the US now with the 360 than they did with the Xbox means that they'll have a larger platform to jump off?
I'm expecting the XBone and the PS4 to be much closer than PS2/Xbox (not that hard i suppose), but not quite as close as PS3/360
It's amazing actually, when PS3 was launching 360 was only at 6-7M, 7 years later and PS3 still hasn't caught up, I don't think anyone expected that back then.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
You are missing plenty, especially the fact that the consoles haven't even launched yet and you have no idea how either of them are going to be received.
If you want some facts to add to your logic then how about the fact that the PS3 has relied on Japanese sales to match the 360 and the backside seems to have fallen out of the Japanese home console market?
How about the fact that Sony came into this generation from an unprecedented position of strength with the PS brand being synonymous with video games only to shrink their business and marketshare in both the home console and portable space?
Dragonborn
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The big 360 install base is why I think the PS4 won't dominate in NA, and the UK. I think there will be at least parity, a 50/50 split, maybe a slight lead in the Ps4's favor. My point was, however, that even at a 50/50 split, that would be it for MS. Without the 2 to 1 lead in NA, they'll fall behind fast, which is why I think the PS4 could do 15-20 million more lifetime.
Hopefully I'm being clear enough, I'm not saying the X1 will do terrible, it'll sell well in the end, but I do think the PS4 will do much better in the long run.
Well I mean, obviously this is all speculation, for all I know the X1 could sell millions more. These are just my thoughts on what we know so far.
Japanese sales, you're right, consoles have stopped selling there, but that's because they're years old (they've also slowed down a lot everywhere else). The only new console is the Wii U, and that's selling terribly everywhere, not just Japan. There's no way you can draw conclusions based just on the Wii U. By that logic, the rest of the world isn't buying consoles anymore since the Wii U failed.
The PS3 came into this gen in a great position, but come on man, we all know Sony did everything they could to squander that advantage. The great position and the PS brand is the only reason the PS3 was able to survive. Compared to the Ps3, the Xbox 1 isn't coming after a console that dominated the market, it's coming out after a console that will likely end up in 3rd (though of course, both the PS3 and 360 sold very, very well). The point still remains, even with every single advantage possible, the Ps3 still caught up. With tables turned, there's no way MS can manage to stay ahead, or even stay on par sales wise. The Xbox brand is strong in NA, but WW?
Wait. You seriously think next gen consoles sales won't be even half of this gen?
professor_t
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It's funny to see how much people are trashing this guy. Yes, it was not a productive post, but pretty much every Xbox One thread, no matter how positive the intent of the initial post, contains far worse by the end of the first page. And yet the uproar is no where near is fervent.
I would love to see both go away, but that clearly isn't going to happen.
I don't really take sides. Just observing . . .
Fox Mulder
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MS really busted their ass this gen and Sony turned the early ps3 mess around pretty well. It's been a great competitive generation, but while the ps3 is ending strong, it feels like the 360 ran out of steam awhile ago. They cut first party output, focused too much on kinect, and coasted with third party support the last few years.
A nice number for MS.flyinpiranha
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Thread redeemed. Hilarious clip. So much better with the sound.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Playstation home consoles have halved their sales every generation. I think they will be lucky to sell 5m PS4s in Japan.
The 360 did not have every single advantage going for it. It was near enough a newcomer. They are launching the XB1 from a much stronger position and the PS4 is launching from a weaker position than the PS3.
As I have already said though. trying to apply logic to these things is pretty difficult. The next Wii style lightning in a bottle game-changer could come from anywhere.
DomeSplitter
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First post was right. Unbelievable.
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SwiftDeath
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impressive
Deserved good numbers for how good a system it was for the first half of its life
How is a lower price and faster time to market not benefits for life-long sales?
Or the ease of development?
Did I misunderstand what you mean by that?
Deserved good numbers for how good a system it was for the first half of its life
How is a lower price and faster time to market not benefits for life-long sales?
Or the ease of development?
Did I misunderstand what you mean by that?
AranhaHunter
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Fantastic numbers. PS3 and 360 could end up with sales of 100+ million and possibly surpass the Wii IMHO.
That's IDC, we havn't had LTD of PS3 in quarterly reports since March 2010. We got an update about them hitting 70m in Nov last year.
IDC is very unreliable for this.
Anyway, 360m (probably 400m when all is done) is a great jump over last gen.
Crimson_Gold
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Congrat MS. The 360 has been a very successful console.
gamerforever
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Does this include the console that had to be replaced?
Dragonborn
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I do agree that Japan isn't as strong as it used to be, it's shifted a lot towards handhelds, but the PS4 should still do well. It had a 9 million or so lead in Japan over the 360, compare that to the 20 million+ lead the 360 had over the PS3. Yea, I think you're focusing too much on Japan here.
The 360 was not a new comer, the PS1 as a newcomer sold over 150, the PS2, Sony's second console sold 150 million. Then they went and messed up with the PS3. The 360 was MS' second console, using the "it was a relative newcomer" excuse doesn't really add up, does it?
The fact is, MS did have every single advantage. Lower price, better reception, better game lineup, better looking multiplats, more developed online, domination in NA, year head start. Every.Single.Advantage. There's no denying that, unless you want to tell me what advantages the PS3 had outside of the PS2's strong sales, which I believe helped the PS3 survive at such an expensive price. Had it been any other console, it would have been DOA.
I agree, this is all speculation, but the next Wii like lightning strike won't be happening. The next gen consoles are too expensive, the reason the Wii sold like gangbusters was because of it's low price and innovative motion controls. Neither next gen console has anything compelling. The XB1 has a much more advanced Kinect, but it's still Kinect, we've seen what it's capable off, and the casual audience has seen it on store shelves for the last 4 years. Not to mention, it's 500 bucks.
Yeah, my mistake. Still a very nice bump!