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Xbox 360 Elite officially announced. GameSpot Feature
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travisbickle
Member
Confidence Man said:
LIST WARRRRRRRR!!!!
The Innocent X
Banned
Blimblim said:
Please do. First question should be 65nm. All else is secondary.
Smiles and Cries
Member
mine! in December though
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
65nm is already confirmed to not be available until Fall. I just want to know about how different is the building process of these Elite 360's from the original ones. If its totally different and MS is experimenting, I kinda dun want to be their guinnea pig again.The Innocent X said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Thats a misconception. You see, a lot of people really want this new 360. Also, if you are expecting a price drop, it wont happen because right now if any one of the 3 companies drops the price the other 2 will follow so nothing will change. It will only mean that you will make even less money. AFAIK MS makes $70 per console, Sony gets even and Nintendo makes $100. If MS drops the price, they will threaten Nintendo, so Nintendo will be forced to drop their price and they can afford a higuer drop than MS, so MS stops making a gain, and Nintendo will just make an even smaller gain, the result, MS loses. If Nintendo drops the price, they would be stupid since they are in a position in which they already are perceived as the cheap console, plus dropping the price may allow people to have a Wii and another console, thus making the costumer have the Wii exclusively for Nintendo titles, which third parties wont like, and then Nintendo would get screwed. So if Nintendo drops the price, they lose. If Sony drops the price, Sony will lose money and the other two will drop the price even more, thus Sony loses. IMO, no console will drop the price until at least fall, you can quote me on that.Freki said:
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Ok...here are the rules people! Xbots list their games...Sbots list theirs and Nintendorks laugh at both. You cannot use Sonic or any Sega game, they are now banned from such lists. Halo 3 acts as 5 games in total, FFXIII as 7 games. LIST WARRRS
Confidence Man
Member
DoubleTap said:
My point is the consoles aren't interchangable. If someone wants a 360, it's not because of some list of features.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I think he meant people buy consoles for exclusives, and Halo 3 was just an example.DoubleTap said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Halo 3 = only 5 games while FFXIII = 7? Thats some crappy logic since Halo 1 & Halo 2 have sold more than FFX, FFXI and FFXII combined?BlueTsunami said:
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
godhandiscen said:
WHO CARES
LIST WARRRS
Shake Appeal
Member
this is a criminally stupid move in every respect Microsoft
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Halo 3BlueTsunami said:
Mass Effect
For...
*need to go to bed.
The Extras you get on the Elite model and the cost factor just don't tie in for me. HDMI is all well and good and yes its going to be required for security reason in the future. But for life of me I can't tell the differnece between component/HDMi inputs. And surely the extra capacity of the Hard Drive is only going to be use by a small minority of people. And I agree they should have at least had wireless built in.
Freki said:
Ah. gotcha. But you guys missed my point. MS needs to expand their marketshare. Expanding means getting new users on board. You guys that are Halo fans, and non Halo fans with the 360 lists etc are already on board. If someone still doesn't have a new gen console at this point in time; do you guys seriously think they don't care as to what features are included in the console they're buying?
They couldn't include a transfer cable for those of us looking to upgrade? Sorry guys, no sale! I wouldn't use the Wi-fi but I can see how others would be pissed. At only $20 cheaper than the PS3 with no HD DVD it should at least have Wi-fi. Come on MS try a little not to **** us over!
Barnolde said:
I'm not saying the 360 has been without it's problems, I don't think this is a fair statement. The problem is a manufacturing/assembly defect, it doesn't have anything to do with chip architecture. There's nothing wrong with either the Xenon or Xenos chips at the 90nm process that a transition to 65nm will necessarily cure.
If it were a problem with board architecture they could've revised that a long time ago. 65nm is simply a smaller process that will allow the CPU to operate with smaller voltages and thus less heat. That's a good thing, but I don't think it's a fix for any problem that MS has had with the 360.
We don't know what the problem is exactly. The most common theory that I've read about is that the malfunctioning units are the result of faulty BGA (ball grid array) solder joints. That's why the hot air gun trick seemed to work- at least temporarily. It reflowed the solder joints. If this is true then heat isn't the enemy so much as just crappy lead-free solder.
I understand your position if you want a cooler running 360, but I don't think it will affect reliability much. That's my guess anyway.
What an absolutely stupid move.
Price is the only thing that separates the 360 from the PS3 and is perhaps the greatest advantage of the 360 and now Microsoft decides to raise the price. Consumers aren't going to care that the new SKU is a better deal than the old SKU. People are just going to look at that price and look at the PS3 and see less of a difference now.
What a brilliant move, Microsoft.
Price is the only thing that separates the 360 from the PS3 and is perhaps the greatest advantage of the 360 and now Microsoft decides to raise the price. Consumers aren't going to care that the new SKU is a better deal than the old SKU. People are just going to look at that price and look at the PS3 and see less of a difference now.
What a brilliant move, Microsoft.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
ElyrionX said:
Confidence Man
Member
ElyrionX said:
Right, because they can't look at the prices of the other two SKUs anymore...
This whole thing reminds me of the initial dual SKU announcement. A lot of MS DOOMED predictions, but in the end it didn't mean anything, just like this won't mean anything.
Kabuki Waq
Member
Stupid move....what if i want to sell my premium 360 before buying this one? where do i keep my data and stuff till then?
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
would have been nice if they eliminated the core, set the elite at 399, core dropped to 300. i don't know if it would have ultimately been a better business move--i'm not privy to the economics of these sorts of things--but it would have certainly helped nudge me along to picking up a system.
Kabuki Waq
Member
DarienA said:
pretty much.
Idiotic does not even begin to explain it.
Confidence Man said:
of course they can look at the other SKUs, but MS has now made those other versions 'not as good' by creating this new one. So people will have to think 'do I make do with this one or get the best one?'. And that 'best one' is very similar in price to the lower PS3 (yes I know, no stock etc)
And the actual features MS have put into this new version don't justify it IMO. HDMI is a pointless addition - just there for e-willy waving imo. And the HDD is presumably to help MS sell movies, so why price it so high?
Kabuki Waq
Member
mrklaw said:
exactly.
Confidence Man
Member
mrklaw said:
That doesn't make any sense at all. If noone is going to look at the 'not as good' version of the 360 why would someone be looking at the 'not as good' version of the PS3 to compare?
mrklaw said:
I'm living proof of this. A couple of weeks ago I was entirely sure I'd be buying a premium 360 within the next month or so, but *poof*, there goes that idea.
I fully expect you'll see elite at $399 for the holidays, premium at $299 and core at $199. MS's problem arises if premium and core both now come to be the great 'ignored'. Quite asides from that, it also opens up the possibility of MS and Sony's product pricing suddenly having a direct overlap at the $399 pricepoint, something that did not exist before. There was always a gap before between their respective ranges, now they'll probably be connected by the holidays. Something I never thought MS would do or run the risk of doing.
Of course, I expect Sony won't be half as smart as they could be here either. IMO they should make the 20GB the main SKU and drop to $399 for the holidays to only further facilitate the uncomfortable position for MS outlined above. But of course, they probably won't (make the 20GB the main SKU, I mean).
Confidence Man said:
Well, I bought the 'not as good' PS3 version because I can make it 'good enough' in the future without being ripped off. With 360 I feel like I need to buy in at the higher end because I've no cheaper or better way to get there. So there's one reason, I guess.
mightynine
Member
No you don't. I've spent $40 on TWO made by Pelican and they work just fine.