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[60_gig_PS3]

They shouldve copied Sony

black 20 gig upgradeable with HDMI and built in HD DVD - $479

 

[mj1108]

they just said HDMI cables cost $50. :lol

To the "average Joe" they do when they go into Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.... So when they go into those places and the clerk tells them "It sells for $50!" or "It sells for $100", they can point right over to their overpriced accessories and show them that. Then it makes the console sound like a GREAT deal.

Those who are smart enough to look around and know not to get reamed by brick and mortar stores can get the same cable online for $10 or less.

 

[Evlar]

Does not run cooler == No sale.

I'm not buying your product until you fix the reliability issues, MS. Not at that price.

 

[DayShallCome]

I'm so confused.

This is obviously a new MoBo rev... is M$ seriously doing this in two revisions? First adding HDMI, and then the new proc fab? Does that even make sense?

 

[Xellos]

Yeah, I just checked.


If I were Sony, I'd start getting those back on the market, if only for talking points' sake.

So Sony isn't selling the 20GB anymore? I remember reading that they were shipping more 60GB models, but have they pulled the plug on the 20GB altogether?

 

[Illuminati]

Why isn't there Wi-Fi?

There is wi-fi if you are willing to almost pay the price of a DS for it.

 

[Mar]

They shouldve copied Sony

black 20 gig upgradeable with HDMI and built in HD DVD - $479

Built in HD-DVD can't happen. Simply impossible. If they do that, and devs start making use of the extra HD-DVD storage space. You've got yourself games that none of the other SKUs can play.

 

[mikeGFG]

They should have waited until Fall or Winter and maximized the value of the current premium bundle without charging a penny extra.

This SKU, this early, at this price is damned RETARDED.

 

[mj1108]

So Sony isn't selling the 20GB anymore? I remember reading that they were shipping more 60GB models, but have they pulled the plug on the 20GB altogether?

I've only seen the 20 gig one time and that was at Target right after Christmas. Other than that, anytime I've seen them instock anywhere it's been the 60's.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

So Sony isn't selling the 20GB anymore? I remember reading that they were shipping more 60GB models, but have they pulled the plug on the 20GB altogether?

They'd better get it back out there, otherwise 80% of the talking points in this thread are moot.

 

[neptunes]

They shouldve copied Sony

black 20 gig upgradeable with HDMI and built in HD DVD - $479

no, I don't think they wanted to copy sony.

I believe they're just about breaking even with the 360, including an HD-DVD drive @ $479 would be suicide, besides HD-DVD is more Toshiba's problem.

these next-gen DVD drives are not cheap, and there's a reason why there are more 60gig ps3's than 20gigs.

 

[FirstInHell]

I think you people enjoy regurgitating the same points over and over again. You have bitched about the $99 20gb hard drive for a year and six months. Why are you acting shocked and appalled that they are releasing a 120gb drive for $180?

I fail to see how this is going to "justify" the PS3's price. You can still get a core for $299 and a premium for $399. The replies in this thread would make anyone think that MS just announced that they are dropping the other two SKUs and replacing them with a $479 model.

Relax guys, I am sure the stupid mindless masses that you seem to generalize everyone into will manage to figure out which SKU to buy. They will do this without hurting sales of the 360 and PS3 sales are not going to go up as a result of this.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Has it occurred to any of you that this will be seen as a luxury Xbox 360, and not a "must-have" like the current premium is?

Haven't you ever known someone who bought their console with 3 more controllers, 2 memory cards, and a few other peripherals?

It's not unheard of that people just want to go all out when buying a console. Do you really think this will make the whole market think "Well now the 360 is $479 instead of $399."

If anything the massive hard drive space disparity makes it crystal clear what this thing is. (overkill for a gaming-only user)

No offense speevy, but you've been defending this thing for several pages now. Not that I see anything wrong with that, it just seems like a wasted effort. I think most people already have their mind made up on what they think. This news isn't exactly brand new. Though I do think it's funny you take the time to occasionally insert a sony sales jab in some of your posts.

I personally don't have a problem with what you get for 480. I don't own a 360 so I wouldn't feel ripped off even if it's a new revision (if you can even call it that, no 65mm?). I think for fence sitters, or people who were planning to get a 360 down the line anyways this isn't that bad of a deal. Though I can understand why the early adopters feel a little iffy.

Only thing I have a problem with is a spare 120gb drive for 180 (i mean wtf?), but that wouldn't really effect me if I were to buy the Elite 360.

 

[Omar Ismail]

You know, out of every single person that has statied that MS is "retarted" and "screwed" and has "lost", not a single one of them have communicated WHY. Like it's self evident or something.

And yet people pointing out potential reasons for this release and who it benefits are obviously giving some detailed reasoning.

I'm not saying one is right or wrong, obviously I don't think it's retarted, but I'm at least interested in hearing WHY it's retarted outside of the opinion that it just is

But I think w ecan all agree that the accessory pricing for the 360 should be concidered RAPE in all 50 states and Canada. $180/120GB HDD included. Just let us transfer our data onto the PC FFS.

 

[Lagaff]

I dont knows what to think or what's gonna happen.
But as consummer of video games i'm sure of one thing for me, they did make the playstation 3 look way better when i compare the two system i mean just add the wifi for the elite and it's 579$ .
Is this gonna incrase sales of ps3 well no one knows yet i'm sure.
Just my opinion

 

[mj1108]

Relax guys, I am sure the stupid mindless masses that you seem to generalize everyone into will manage to figure out which SKU to buy. They will do this without hurting sales of the 360 and PS3 sales are not going to go up as a result of this.

I can't wait for the stories when a parent goes in to purchase a 360 and asks the clerk "So what's the difference between these 3?" and all the hilarious answers we're bound to get.

 

[btrboyev]

I think they could easily put an hddvd drive in there and not split the market with games..you just make the drive play movies only, much like the current drive. Sure it makes little sense, but they could do it.

 

[disappeared]

So Sony isn't selling the 20GB anymore? I remember reading that they were shipping more 60GB models, but have they pulled the plug on the 20GB altogether?

I just picked up a 60GB PS3 today, and the guy at EB said they're phasing them out pretty quickly. He said "discontinued" but I don't know if that's the final word or not.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

They should have waited until Fall or Winter and maximized the value of the current premium bundle without charging a penny extra.

This SKU, this early, at this price is damned RETARDED.

Exactly here is what they could have done.....

Keep everything the same now

In Fall or Winter with the new 65nm CPU's and cooler running chips instead of lowering the price they upgrade the premium pack with HDMI and 120 gig HDD to keep it hovering at the $400 mark. Drop the core to $250 to fight against the Wii.

 

[perfectchaos007]

I would have been sold on this if it had HD-DVD that came with it. But basically for $80 you are just getting 100 more gigs of memory. Do Not Want for $479

 

[cheekymunky]

So is MS going to finally start to utilize the HDD on the 360 for games? I dont mean XBL Arcade games....I mean installing games to increase load times and what not....or is this just for more storage space for the Arcade and downloads>....this is why segmenting the market with the Core system was a bad idea in the first place for them. If they had always allowed for games to utilize the HDD space they would be in a much better situation in that regard.

 

[Flo_Evans]

They'd better get it back out there, otherwise 80% of the talking points in this thread are moot.

Sony's **** ups don't really make MS's **** ups any easier to swallow IMHO. I really wanted a quiter, more reliable 360 with HDMI to replace mine that is hanging on by a string. I guess I will just have to wait and endure frequent lock-ups till they get thier shit together.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I just picked up a 60GB PS3 today, and the guy at EB said they're phasing them out pretty quickly. He said "discontinued" but I don't know if that's the final word or not.

If they don't reverse that after today's announcement, I think the gun's on the other foot, personally. MS totally validated the 20g PS3 today, only to find it no longer exists?

 

[PS360]

There should be a hard drive between the 20 and the 120. There isn't, of course, because MS wants to push the Elite. But you know them...it's all about "choice." Yes. Choose $180 for a 120gb HDD, or stay with a 20. Thanks guys.

 

[FirstInHell]

No offense speevy, but you've been defending this thing for several pages now. Not that I see anything wrong with that, it just seems like a wasted effort. I think most people already have their mind made up on what they think. This news isn't exactly brand new. Though I do think it's funny you take the time to occasionally insert a sony sales jab in some of your posts.

I personally don't have a problem with what you get for 480. I don't own a 360 so I wouldn't feel ripped off even if it's a new revision (if you can even call it that, no 65mm?). I think for fence sitters, or people who were planning to get a 360 down the line anyways this isn't that bad of a deal. Though I can understand why the early adopters feel a little iffy.

Only thing I have a problem with is a spare 120gb drive for 180 (i mean wtf?), but that wouldn't really effect me if I were to buy the Elite 360.

Pot, Kettle, Black .......

 

[soul creator]

from the standpoint of "observing the systems sales wars" I don't think introducing a new SKU without dropping the prices is the greatest move in the world. You wanna sell more systems? Get under $250.

But from the perspective of someone just wanting to compare game machines, all the "PS3 is only $20 more, might as well just get that!" comments are hilarious :lol It's not like the 360 has zero advantages over the PS3.

 

[Costanza]

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Are we getting a transfer cable or not?

 

[Speevy]

I know it's a wasted effort, and I'm not defending the product itself.

You'll notice I'm not saying things like "Wow! That's great. Everyone should buy this."

I'm just trying to understand the logic behind the "MS shot themselves in the foot/justified Sony's position" posts. It doesn't make any sense, and no one's been able to put forth a sound, logical argument concerning this yet.

This may yet be the biggest waste of time and money MS could have ever imagined, but they've got a few moves to make yet. This isn't their attempt at checkmate.

 

[mj1108]

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Are we getting a transfer cable or not?

If you buy the hard drive standalone you do.

If you buy the Elite 360, you don't.

Stupid, as there's going to be some people who already own a 360 that will get the Elite.

 

[Odysseus]

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Are we getting a transfer cable or not?

transfer cable comes with the hdd if you buy it separately

if you buy the elite sku itself, there is no cable because presumably you are "jumping in" for the first time.

 

[Barnolde]

You know, out of every single person that has statied that MS is "retarted" and "screwed" and has "lost", not a single one of them have communicated WHY. Like it's self evident or something.

And yet people pointing out potential reasons for this release and who it benefits are obviously giving some detailed reasoning.

I'm not saying one is right or wrong, obviously I don't think it's retarted, but I'm at least interested in hearing WHY it's retarted outside of the opinion that it just is

But I think w ecan all agree that the accessory pricing for the 360 should be concidered RAPE in all 50 states and Canada. $180/120GB HDD included. Just let us transfer our data onto the PC FFS.

Did you not read the thread at all? People are saying why. It's the same faulty hardware priced only $20 cheaper than a PS3 with only a bigger HDD to brag about. It isn't a redesign, it's a rapedesign aimed at your wallet.

Wi-fi is built into the premium PS3, Wii, DS and even the goddamn Zune, why doesn't the ELITE 360 have it?

 

[Kolgar]

In what respect? PR wars that no one cares about but us? PS3 sales aren't going to increase because of the Elite's existence.

Xbox 360 sales could, but may not.

They've diminished the psychological impact of their price advantage, and made it possible for some consumers to view the current Pro system as gimped.

Plus, three SKUs is an awful lot for a video game player.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Are we getting a transfer cable or not?

Seperate HD, yes.
Elite, no.

In that 10 video he explains that because so much stuff is tied to the box itself, it'll take some doing, but they're working on it.

 

[Reilly]

All the MS defenders in this thread :lol

 

[Costanza]

Ugh, ****. I guess I'm using my 20 gig HD until they figure something out, or just buy a memory unit.

 

[marc^o^]

I think it's a smart move from Microsoft as it brings more confusion to the market.

 

[mood]

Interesting point in how Microsoft are saying they wanted to introduce the 120gb hdd. They say people that want a 360 and a 120gb hdd they would either have to buy the Premium console to get all the goodies you get and then throw away the 20gb drive for the 120gb. Or buy the core and have to buy a bunch of stuff extra and it wouldnt be ideal for the type of person that wants a 120gb drive. Obviously they dont want to get rid of the core still by doing this. Thus they introduce the Elite for an extra $80.

Counter point would also obviously be why not drop the price and replace the Premium with Elite but they dont want to do that yet.

 

[mj1108]

Wi-fi is built into the premium PS3, Wii, DS and even the goddamn Zune, why doesn't the ELITE 360 have it?

If it had it then MS couldn't sell you this:

 

[FirstInHell]

If you buy the hard drive standalone you do.

If you buy the Elite 360, you don't.

Stupid, as there's going to be some people who already own a 360 that will get the Elite.

Do you really think this is going to be the case? Why are you stating this as a fact? Do you really think MS is going to screw over people who are dropping $479 to replace a console they already paid $399 for?

 

[cheekymunky]

Seperate HD, yes.
Elite, no.

In that 10 video he explains that because so much stuff is tied to the box itself, it'll take some doing, but they're working on it.

Plus I am sure that someone (3rd party?) will supply a transfer to the market by itself....no reason to worry i wouldnt think.

 

[Xenon]

MS you are supposed to be the clear winner of a generation before you start doing things this stupid. You skipped a very important step.


I guess this is for the best. It scares me to think of what MS would try if they had Sony like dominance of the gaming market. MS Game activation anyone?

 

[Sypher]

So is it HDMI 1.3 or 1.2?

 

[Rhindle]

They should have waited until Fall or Winter and maximized the value of the current premium bundle without charging a penny extra.

This SKU, this early, at this price is damned RETARDED.

This I agree with.

They should have just released the HDD, and waited on the new console SKU until they can price the thing for $400.

The fact that it's a permanent SKU makes it the de facto "standard" 360. They're trying to avoid that by using a name like "Elite" but I don't see that working. This really should have been delayed or released as a limited edition.

 

[KINGMOKU]

Wait, WTF? Okay, I was going to pick up a 360 premium, but decided to hold out untill I knew what this "elite" thing was all about.

The thing that arose during all this, was something I didnt even know, or had forgot about;

Does any version of the 360 come with wifi built in?

 

[Speevy]

They've diminished the psychological impact of their price advantage, and made it possible for some consumers to view the current Pro system as gimped.

I don't think anyone will see the premium system as gimped, since it still executes all the core functions of Xbox 360 gaming, media, online, and storage.

The price advantage is only another way of saying the Xbox 360 isn't quite expensive enough to be selling like the PS3, but still too expensive to be selling like the PS2. People will buy the Premium if they don't want the Elite. It's that simple.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

This I agree with.

They should have just released the HDD, and waited on the new console SKU until they can price the thing for $400.

The fact that it's a permanent SKU makes it the de facto "standard" 360. They're trying to avoid that by using a name like "Elite" but I don't see that working. This really should have been delayed or released as a limited edition.

They've already said the Premium is the de facto "standard". As I said a couple of times, I don't doubt it will be allocated accordingly.

 

[Evlar]

I know it's a wasted effort, and I'm not defending the product itself.

You'll notice I'm not saying things like "Wow! That's great. Everyone should buy this."

I'm just trying to understand the logic behind the "MS shot themselves in the foot/justified Sony's position" posts. It doesn't make any sense, and no one's been able to put forth a sound, logical argument concerning this yet.

This may yet be the biggest waste of time and money MS could have ever imagined, but they've got a few moves to make yet. This isn't their attempt at checkmate.

They've actually made one of the PS3 SKUs look like a bargain. $20 for Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, and the perception of more power, and losing only HD space which seems rather pointless to begin with, is NOT a good value proposition for MS in my opinion. They've made themselves look arrogant and out-of-touch, like Sony often does. They're apparently kinda screwing over existing users who might consider stepping up.

Who will buy this? And if they DO buy it will they feel a little extra remorse about not springing another $20 for more features? Particularly in the face of Sony's (admittedly shitty) marketing machine?

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Does any version of the 360 come with wifi built in?

no

 

[tribal24]

this is sony time to bring back the 20 gb model in new colors, then i would call this a bad move. i think this will actually sell more units but if that happens wouldnt microsoft just axe the premuim if they can get more profit off the elite?

 

[FirstInHell]

They've diminished the psychological impact of their price advantage, and made it possible for some consumers to view the current Pro system as gimped.

Plus, three SKUs is an awful lot for a video game player.

I think you are right, there is no way they are going to comprehend this. Lord knows average consumers who do not post on the Internet and video game players have enough trouble tying their shoes in the morning while not drowning on the drool oozing out of their mouths.