SenjutsuSage
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Outselling every other console month after month by nice, often incredible margins in the USA? I guess it's kinda weird?
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Xbox 360 seems to be in a really weird place right now
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Uno Venova
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EDGE, VGleaks, Eurogamer is good too I believe.
digoutyoursoul
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I thought exclusives played a major part in a consoles portfolio, otherwise apart from setting a attractive price , what is the point?
one 360 retail exclusive with plenty of time to have announced another after last e3 is poor form but that's just my opinion and I can't agree with sales of exclusives, halo and gears are great sellers and if Microsoft could lower the price of a ageing system with something fresh and of high quality it would give it a better send off than being a 3rd party system, not to mention this fresh ip could gain anticipation for a future Durango sequel
I don't give a fuck about console/list wars, it's for kids, I give a fuck about what I invest in as a consumer. Sony has The Last Of Us and Beyond this year with the GTAs coming and the PS4. What's Microsofts excuse?
I question the direction of Xbox at times, I believe there is nothing wrong with that, seeing I've invested a lot of money in using their systems, games and online. Sony too
I think people that hang on forums to much see things differently. The Xbox 360 is still selling incredibly well for being a platform in its eighth year and there is plenty of original games still coming to XBLA. On the retail front its getting major support in the form of third party games like Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, etc. etc. If someone buys a 360 they have tons of games and choices to choose from. I think hardcore gamers on forums get caught up too many times on exclusives only. Plus Gears Judgment just got released and i'm having a blast with it. 
I thought it was obvious they were giving the latest Gears the spotlight for a bit before revealing their plans. Additionally, I wouldn't expect MS to be reactionary to Sony at this point. They're past that stage and they've carved out their own mindshare and path in the market, which seems like it's just going to diverge from Sony's and Nintendo's even further.
Microsoft has been preparing to fight over market share for multiple screens, cloud services, and content partners for music, movies, games, and all other types of media and online services, spanning business productivity to entertainment. Sony and Nintendo aren't in that arena. It's Google and Apple that stand as the biggest threats.
If they're going to position themselves as a leader in such a diverse and already competitive market, with the likes of Google and Apple in the race, then they have to have a strong, unique, and cohesive vision they share with consumers at the start. They stand to gain a lot if that market exists and they convince consumers they're going to lead the way.
You know MS likes to make big splashes these days. Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, Kinect, etc. all had huge pushes behind them. The next Xbox will be no different and I think you're going to see a lot of new things from them, as well as the next iterations of the things that have worked well for them (e.g., Xbox Live, Kinect, XBLA, etc.).
Patience.
pretty sure most of those aren't 1st party....
and hopefully the 2nd and 3rd come to the PC.
You missed my key point completely. It was not the time frame, but that you used a single botched plan in a sea of several successful ones as a way to determine the quality of Kaz's role as CEO. To clarify, you ignored the new found success of Sonys entire mobile platform, the PS3, Bravia, Financial sectors and services, Sony Pictures and the direction/momentum of the PS4...with...the Vita lol. One, otherwise insignificant piece of the pie looking at the bigger, more optimistic picture.
I would argue that they could still use the PS4 as a means to add value proposition to the Vita, but I have little faith. Who knows. I hear sales are picking up in Japan at least.
What does 1st party have to do with anything?
quickwhips
Member
If it goes to pc its not exclusive. Then xbox has less exclusives. I just found out ms owns state of decay ip.
Again what does it have to do with what's coming to consoles. Especially when talking XBLA vs. PSN or anything on Nintendo.
quickwhips
Member
People take joy knowing that xbox doesn't have exclusives like playstation. I think its dumb also.
Don't go there with him. He will dance around what the word exclusive means all night, you'd make more progress talking with a watermelon.
The thread is about consoles. I don't think it's dumb at all. Microsoft and Sony don't as well, as they both leverage console exclusives, because they are competing for the console marketshare.
Interesting how difference of opinions have certain profiles springing to insult.
I didn't insult you at all. It's an already established fact that you've argued with me about what exclusive means and tried to spin 360 games that came to PC as exclusive because it supported your pro-360 argument you were trying to make. It's also a fact that a watermelon would not attempt that argument, hence the progress I said one would make if they were to have the same conversation with it.
Those EDGE rumours better be right, given the number of times you try and present them as facts in Durango threads. What will you do if they're wrong? Go back to talking about dashboard ads and stuff like that?
Were you pissed Sony had nothing last year?
How is it the end of the world that Microsoft isn't pushing expensive 1st party retail exclusives the same year they're launching a brand new console?
Call of Duty is viewed as a defacto exclusive these days, and they're still getting all the 3rd party games.
Its not like anyone buying a 360 this year won't have anything to play.
Most of us have MASSIVE backlogs. Why do we want to add to it when new consoles are coming out?
I swear sometimes people just whine simply for the sake of it. Or to be part of the group.
Uno Venova
Banned
What do you mean present them as facts?
Nah. You simply can't accept anothers opinon on the subject. But then again I'm talking to the guy who literally wrote that he was going to jot down every name of every profile on GAF that praised Tomb Raider, because he spent the thread bashing it. So this is standard.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49394688&postcount=107
Once again, both MS and Sony use what are called Console Exclusives when talking in context of the console market. You can bring up PC all you want, but it doesn't erase the fact that the term exists regardless of your opinion of it.
Both use games that are not on any other console to promote the PS3 and the 360.
krypt0nian
Banned
I'm ready for them to wow me again, but I've been off the bandwagon since Kinect.
Little faith, but still hope.
Little faith, but still hope.
Baconsammy
Banned
Sales bear out the fact that when it comes to core games, the vast vast majority of gaming is done on consoles. So if you're going to lock down an exclusive, be it console exclusive or completely exclusive, you're going to gain a huge advantage with it. Witness Minecraft. Sony/Nintendo would kill to have that. I imagine the Wii U would have had a much brighter reception if it launched as the home of the only console version of Minecraft. Microsoft's demolition of Sony's marketshare this gen was done with a few complete exclusives, but also with tons of console exclusives. Anyone that says that means nothing is either deluded, or just not paying attention.
I think you must be looking at the wrong lists. Here's how you're supposed to compile lists of exclusives for any given year: -
PS3: -
Games delayed from last year that were on last year's list
Games with a release date in the current year
Games with no release date that you might be able to put on every list for several years running
Games that are only being released in Japan, even if they're not in English
PSN games
Move games
360: -
Disc-based exclusives with a release date in the current year that don't use Kinect and that are available in English
If someone points out that the 360 actually has more exclusives than the PS3, or that it has more highly rated titles than the PS3 when you look at Metacritic, you say "old games don't count" and focus on the last 12 months only, remembering the rules above.
Four_Chamber
Member
If EDGE is wrong, I hope all of you who took their word as facts will come back to eat crow at the least.
BruiserBear
Banned
I started a thread a year ago suggesting it was a mistake for Microsoft to miss the fall 2012 window for their next console.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=468223
I believe that mistake is already costing them. Think about it. If they had launched last fall, all this negative talk we're hearing wouldn't natter as much. How many people would care about the PS4 being more powerful? It wouldn't matter because millions of people would already own the new Xbox, and they'd be reaping all the benefits that launching a year early grants you, like it did with the 360.
But waiting, and allowing your number one rival to launch alongside you? That just opens you up to direct comparisons. To direct choice about exactly which console to buy day one.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=468223
I believe that mistake is already costing them. Think about it. If they had launched last fall, all this negative talk we're hearing wouldn't natter as much. How many people would care about the PS4 being more powerful? It wouldn't matter because millions of people would already own the new Xbox, and they'd be reaping all the benefits that launching a year early grants you, like it did with the 360.
But waiting, and allowing your number one rival to launch alongside you? That just opens you up to direct comparisons. To direct choice about exactly which console to buy day one.
Baconsammy
Banned
I get the impression Microsoft doesnt care much what Sony is doing. At least not as much as Sony cares what Microsoft is doing. A reversal of the start of this gen. Whatever Microsoft planned out over the past few years they're pushing forward on regardless of the competition. Sony is competition for sure, but it looks like Microsoft is aiming way beyond Sony with this next offering. Into Apple/Amazon/Google/Netflix territory.
You forgot to remove the 360 games, that have the potential to also appear on the PC one day. This does not apply to PS3
It didn't cost MS a thing by not launching in 2012. In fact it's the exact opposite.
The competition literally didn't effect the success of the 360 or it's games at all.
Sony didn't even try to compete with any major games during the holiday season and the Wii-U didn't make a dent in the marketshare.
Fast forward and MS is still doing 300K in NPD and still as competitive as ever in the UK and this was going into year 7.
Andronicus
Banned
The thing is I wasn't even talking about which Market was bigger. In regards to Derrick 01's issue that he still wining about is I mentioned titles that were released on the 360 and which he later mentioned that he played some on his PC.
Which there is nothing wrong with that, it just had no bearing on the fact that games like Alan Wake are still Console exclusives. This again is talking in context of Consoles and not other platforms like PC, Handheld, and IOS.
People do like to pretend these games literally don't exist, but I pointed out that a gamer, who buys Witcher 2 for the 360 isn't going to have less fun just because he knows that it was an enhanced PC port. He later pretended that it was some sort of a slight against the PC and chimes in like he did here anytime it comes up with another profile.
But, I definately agree in that Minecraft is a great example of a PC port that turned out to be a huge hit as a 360 'Console' exclusive.
Sony has taken note and has promoted console exclusives as well and still will be going into next gen.
You also have to remember to flip this around, so if a game that's 360/PC comes to PS3 at a later date you can say "the 360 has lost an exclusive!", BioShock and Mass Effect being notable examples.
I jest of course. Nobody would ever do any of the things I've said in my last 2 posts! That would just be silly.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I think people that hang on forums to much see things differently. The Xbox 360 is still selling incredibly well for being a platform in its eighth year and there is plenty of original games still coming to XBLA. On the retail front its getting major support in the form of third party games like Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, etc. etc. If someone buys a 360 they have tons of games and choices to choose from. I think hardcore gamers on forums get caught up too many times on exclusives only. Plus Gears Judgment just got released and i'm having a blast with it.
Agree with everything you said, except the Gears Judgment part.
360 owners have plenty of games to catch and maintain their interest, and then there's the fact that a little something called Grand Theft Auto 5 is on the way.
Colonel Nasty
Member
While a game appearing on pc makes it not "exclusive" its the dumbest argument against the Xbox. "Oh wow, you got to play a game I played on Xbox months or years later on a machine that probably costs more than the Xbox. Yeah man you really showed me. I really wish I didn't buy the cheapest machine and enjoy this game way before you did."
He seems to be grasping at straws.
And what exactly gives you the impression that Sony cares what MS is doing?
CouldBeWorse
Member
A year rushed out is a console that is even more expensive and more underpowered. With the momentum that Microsoft stole from Sony this generation, why would they desperately rush out the successor? The landscape is completely different than it was in 2005.
Also, a year earlier than Sony would result in much less 3rd party support and a year less to make "next gen" games. Real support (outside of up ports) wouldn't hit until the PS4 did. It's just the state of third parties today.
Sorry, tiger, but I just don't agree with you. The negative talk is confined to the a tiny, vocal minority on forums like NeoGAF. The market obviously didn't care that the PS3 was more powerful.
Terrordactyl
Member
Ive literally heard of none of these.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This is utter crap and I can only see this as a form of damage control.
Look at the ps3 exclusive lists everyone is touting.
1)There are no casual games
2)There are no PSN games
3) If Japanese games who have not been localised yet were included the list would be ten times more lengthy.
There is no excuse for the pathetic offerings for the 360.
I can understand people saying exclusives do not matter much because third parties are releasing the biggest games these days and a lot of them too but trying to invalidate the exclusives lists with lies is just plain desperate.
You can include XBL games just put it in a separate list titled XBL titles or people will get confused thinking those games are retail games.
Is this fo real?
PC versions usually get superior ports, are free to play online and probably have additional content too. I am sure the PC base can wait a couple of months to play these groundbreaking XBL titles, as if there isn't already enough indie games on the PC. Also almost everyone has a PC for work, accessing the internet etc. You don't need a custom built gaming rig to play XBL games. Any modern PC should be able to handle it fine so effectively the cost of entry is practically 0.
From what? Being the entertainment center in the living room was what the ps3 was initially advertised as by Sony. What is the number 1 competitor to the 360.....the PS3 and vice versa.
But wait!
As any fule kno, the Xbox 360 is less expensive than the PS3--often by margins of $100 or more over the years.
In addition, some of the hottest titles of the generation, from Mass Effect to Call of Duty to Oblivion, have seen delayed PS3 release or DLC.
Obviously, this means it's simply unfair to claim that titles aren't Xbox 360 exclusives just because they're on PS3 too.
Phonomezer
Banned
The 360 is fine... puzzling thread.
I should probably be surprised at the port begging going on ITT, but this is a 360 thread after all...
I should probably be surprised at the port begging going on ITT, but this is a 360 thread after all...
Baconsammy
Banned
No straws are being grasped. To say Microsoft's Xbox future is uncertain due to Windows 8 or Surface and ignoring the fact that the Vita is a huge disaster and speaks to Kaz's competency when it comes to the games devision is odd to me.
The fact that they're going out of their way to point out how they're doing what Microsoft did right at the start of this gen.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I laughed.
Most of which are things they themselves did right two and three gens ago. "Coddle the hottest devs and shift lots of cheap hardware early" are not deep mysteries which glorious Microsoft introduced to the uncivilized yellow apes after their victory at the Battle of Project Midway. They're basic common sense, and the PS3's failure at each is as much a matter of shit luck as hubris.
I agree some of those titles ended up being 'Timed' Exclusives. but, this is not known many times until it eventually happens.
Either way, the term 'console exclusive' is referring strictly in context to games within the console arena.
^This. And it is completely behind me how someone can defend them.
I think gowans is right, its alot more pronounced in the uk, xbox hasnt had a push here for sometime, ads would nearly always run with the xbox swirl after them apart from the odd gears ad i have seen the past week or so i cant remember many having that swirl after it it was pretty much every single game at one point. Also live dash doesnt get the push it gets in the usa, i swap between the usa and uk dashboard weekly and the uk seems to get alot less love and sprinkles than the usa one. As for retail i cant think of one boxed game thats first party or exclusive coming out now gears is done.
Is it all pointers to a sooner than expected release for nextbox i hope so as i dont see where the legs are going to come from to carry the 360 over the line, are ms pulling a xbox 1 situation where they pretty much killed it prior to 360s launch?, sony have a few big titles slated before the launch of ps4 which should back up there legacy or supporting a platform after the newer one gets released. I guess we will get to know pretty soon what ms is thinking.
Is it all pointers to a sooner than expected release for nextbox i hope so as i dont see where the legs are going to come from to carry the 360 over the line, are ms pulling a xbox 1 situation where they pretty much killed it prior to 360s launch?, sony have a few big titles slated before the launch of ps4 which should back up there legacy or supporting a platform after the newer one gets released. I guess we will get to know pretty soon what ms is thinking.
I'm not saying there's not a useful distinction, I'm saying his distinction is shit.
Baconsammy
Banned
I'm special, I heard of two of them. Loco and State of Decay. Looking forward to none of them yet. But I wasn't looking forward to Mark of the Ninja either and that ended up being a game of the year candidate.
Of course they have. They're in business to make money, and console exclusives generate tons of income. Timed/limited or otherwise. Anything that affects purchasing behaviors in your favor is a powerful thing.
Your opinion. The term and the context of the term still exists.
Both MS and Sony clearly don't share the same opinion as you, since both have leveraged the 'console exclusive' to their benefit.
BadAss2961
Member
Going after the casual market? They've been trying that for at least the last 3 years... If they start out this gen without prioritizing gamers, I bet they'll fail.
You made it sound like the Nextbox won't even be a gaming console. lol