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Xbox E3 Conference 6/11 2pm PST
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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welp, got my briefing invitation barcode but im not going.. bittersweet feeling
Soooo who still thinks it will be $499??
Just a couple days ago we were crazy (according to some) to think it would be $399, when it was always gonna be that after they didn't announce the price at the DF reveal
Bad news--->bfr E3
Good news-->E3
I do, but I'm warming up to the 449 price point. I think that's really a great midway price point.
I'll be very, very happy if it's 399. I was thinking maybe they do 399 for a month or two span and then move back to 499. Or something like that to get the ball rolling. Dunno!
CalamityPixel
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XboX
Hook a brother up?
DeputyVanHalen
Neo Member
I'd settle for them just coordinating not having their controller buttons have the same names but reversed. That screws me up all the time.
Agreed. Those get me every damn time. It screws me up playing a Nintendo game then again after when playing a game on PC, Xbox One or PS4.
Leonidas
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I still think it will be $499.
Compared to PS4 Pro you get the following
+4 GB extra GDDR5
+4K BRD
+~29% higher clock speeds which will require more advanced cooling
+11% more CUs
+~10% higher CPU clock
+more powerful components require a bigger PSU
I don't see how they can offer all this at the same $399.
Compared to PS4 Pro you get the following
+4 GB extra GDDR5
+4K BRD
+~29% higher clock speeds which will require more advanced cooling
+11% more CUs
+~10% higher CPU clock
+more powerful components require a bigger PSU
I don't see how they can offer all this at the same $399.
They cant, but its microsoft, they can eat the hardware loss. Make it back in software.
But people judge mario and Zelda differently than a Sunset overdrive etc. I know I wouldn't care about that but you gotta be an established beloved franchise to get that home town discount
Like what's the difference between Forza horizon 2 & 3. Not much at all. But it's gotten more prestige and future installments are going to review better because of it
I don't think the industry really does loss leaders anymore. Everything is almost always sold at a healthy profit now. Shareholders basically expect it unless there's evidence of a really healthy array of attached halo products around the hero.
PositiveGamer
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Shareholders won't be eating any profit at all if it's sold at a price no one will buy it for.. even 500 Is DOA..
Just good business practice..
Yearsoflurking
Member
I'm positive it's 399. nothing in it is overly expensive. it's what the original ps4 would be in 2017
Yeah, that's the balance they'll have to find. It's also part of the reason I think they're pushing this as a premium, complementary product alongside Xbox One S.
I think they'll mimic the Apple model, with Scorpio sitting at a high-end price complemented with more affordable options like Xbox One S in the lineand as time goes by, newer models come out and older ones move down the price line so there are always multiple entry points.
IMO this is used more not less. Look how fast the prices have dropped this gen compared to ps3 and 360. Competition is heavier this gen and with way more viable income from xbox live, psn and microtransactions they can go deeper on hardware. Thats why there is more focus on MAUs compared to copies sold; higher profits. Thats just my two cents though.
The base line is always the least profitable. That's why you get such a high price jump from 500gb to 1TB and 2TB.
The ideal costumer for Microsoft, when it comes to Xbox, is someone who buys the mid-HDD sku with 1 extra controller, 2 games and 12 months of Xbox Live Gold.
I'm quite confident that's the model ExpertZone continues to push. Maybe someone with access to it can confirm?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Can you go?
If we/you dont need a ID to get in we could finesse this and you be in that thang on Sunday
I certainly wouldn't call it smooth. The game has been delayed, plus the "multiplayer experience" that was supposed to come last summer never materialized. It was pretty clear at that point that they were pivoting to Scorpio. Also, the recent Shinobi tweet confirms it hasn't been smooth. Again, probably some of that is from changing systems (One to Scorpio; but it can still run on the XB1).
It was probably announced too early -- as MS was lacking games at the time -- and it's clearly had some trouble getting going. I mean, think about it: we haven't really seen "official" footage for it. There have just been closed-doors demos of the tech, and then there was off-screen dev footage at Gamescom two years ago (with a tiny bit of multiplayer footage at the end). It's all been very limited, which shows they're not exactly confident to show it in public. Hopefully that has changed for this year's E3. It would be nice to feel good about the MP, which seems like it could be great, and the SP, which is a complete mystery.
Hatefilled Vengeance
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Xbox ScorpIO Interactive
Yeah but that has come with accelerated reduction in CPU/APU manufacturing processes and component costs. You're right about the additional revenue streams though, that could change the game (heh) a little bit.
RoyalLaFlame
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Wait, the Scorpio has 12GB of RAM? What the hell... I thought it was only 8.
Oh, absolutelybut the base model is still at a healthy profit compared to last gen, that's my point.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
8GB for games. The additional 4 is split between 3GB for OS and 1GB apparently for a more advanced 4k dashboard? I would need to check again to be certain.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
That's a lot. How's the PS4 Pro pool shared? 5-6GB for games?
Not positive, I live in LA and am going to E3 just not the press conf.
Steelyuhas
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Game consoles still aren't sold at high margin. The revision ones are undoubtedly much cheaper and sold at better margins (Xbox One S and the PS4 Slim), but at the launch of a new one it's going to be a thin margin.
Tough to tell how much Scorpio actually costs them to make though.
Yeah, I mean in comparison to older gens.
I thought the same thing when the Wii was codenamed Revolution...and then it became the Wii. Like, gross. Revolution was perfect.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
"Hey guys, let's go play some Revolution"
I know what you're saying but Revolution is not a name designed for a console imo. Scorpio on the other hand...
DriftingSpirit
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Indeed, but no more of the huge losses from before.
Hawk269
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You have to remember that the stuff Sony put in the PS4 PRO is going to be about a year old when Scorpio comes out. While we are getting much better hardware and I will bet my left nut that the casing materials and build quality will be better on Scorpio, coming out a year later and offering what they are for $399.99 is possible. At that price they most likely are making little to no profit on the system however.
I'll only agree because it's four syllables and who has time for that. Otherwise, in a just world, we call it Rev and are oblivious to a name like Wii because what the fuck. I'd dig Scorpio but I'll be shocked if they actually keep it.
Again, this is probably true.
Just saying, I'd rather no hometown discounts, or rather, acknowledgement that the quality of a games experience isn't neccisarily a sum of parts.
If it's from the Fanfest then it requires an ID.
Hard to say. Last time base model was sold at full price was back in October. You'll now find Xbox One S with Minecraft starting at $249.
And regarding the One S. The first model that was available was the limited edition vanilla 2TB edition priced at $399.
So even if the base model isn't profitable there are ways to make the other SKU's more appealing while still have that "starting at $XXX" to lure people.
THE:MILKMAN
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Whilst all this is correct except the PSU (PS4 Pro has a 310W vs 245W for Scorpio) the main thing here is the year later part. Reduces costs quite a bit I would think.
Also the APU die is almost the same size as OG One so if yields are good and they negotiated a good deal with AMD, it should cost roughly the same? Any additional cost GDDR5 brings would be somewhat countered by the simpler board layout (12 RAM chips vs 16). No Kinect saves a good chuck of change too.
$399/£349 seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Is this 2013?
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Sorry? I'm just saying no Kinect means the price can be lower for Scorpio.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Had no idea you could configure bombs in specific configurations in the new crackdown to produce different results. Very cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_va-A4eSxH4
Nice explosion effect, good movement of the character
Missed some crackdown media. I wasn't too convinced by the previous crackdown games, but with scorpio coming out and with some of what I'm learning recently, I might just give it a chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_va-A4eSxH4
Nice explosion effect, good movement of the character
Missed some crackdown media. I wasn't too convinced by the previous crackdown games, but with scorpio coming out and with some of what I'm learning recently, I might just give it a chance.
The Kinect hasn't effected the price of the Xbox One in like three years. Just odd to include that.
How is shitposting like this still allowed?
This E3 is probably the most crucial one MS has had so far. It really is a tipping point regarding public opinion and earning back lost market share. Their policies/services are definitely more consumer-friendly than Sony's on paper at this point, and mid-generations tend to see the console everyone bought begin to feel stale. That's partly how the PS3 made up so much ground on the 360 in the latter half of the cycle.
I want MS to come out swinging and kickstart some serious competition with Sony, where they both pull out all the stops and we're given a golden age like that of the mid-90s through mid-00s (opinion). Nonetheless, I'm nervous that it'll just be all about the Scorpio (a name it hopefully keeps - the official ones are always worse), stuff we know about, and sequel announcements for aging franchises.
I want MS to come out swinging and kickstart some serious competition with Sony, where they both pull out all the stops and we're given a golden age like that of the mid-90s through mid-00s (opinion). Nonetheless, I'm nervous that it'll just be all about the Scorpio (a name it hopefully keeps - the official ones are always worse), stuff we know about, and sequel announcements for aging franchises.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I might be completely wrong but all I'm suggesting is Scorpio looks very similar at a component level as the launch Xbox One but 4 years on in tech terms. The major difference being Kinect being included making it $499.
This is only comparing launch with launch of course. I know Kinect hasn't been around for a while.
TheLionsDen
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I hope Microsoft provides some sort of trade in program for this.
blue_phazon
Member
Microsoft won't, but I bet some retailers might
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