Barack Lesnar
Banned
Since some people thought it was deceiving. I was mainly paying attention to the choppy ass video feed, but here:
Do you guys think this is hardware or software related issue?
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XBOX ONE Reveal: UI faked from the start. Very choppy, and CBoaT
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Do you guys think this is hardware or software related issue?
This sums it up pretty nicely.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Software.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
I said it could be a million reasons which one of those was a possibility. I also said, not a final OS. I love the selective reading that goes on in here. Ive done QA and Playtesting for 8+ years, i know how complicated these things are and how broken they are till sometimes, the very last minute. You guys are stunned, i see something i saw every day.
My windows 7 and windows 8 media centres don't have issues like that, live TV included.
Marty Chinn
Member
Your receiver is essentially a centralized box that you tunnel everything through to utilize for multiple purposes. Why is it okay there, but suddenly with the Xbox One, nobody would ever want that?
And probably somewhat hardware too, dependant on the DVR that was used of course.
Marty Chinn
Member
There's no reason it should be the DVR though. It's totally software. Most of the things people are complaining about happen way before the DVR is a factor.
Monty Mole
Member
UI != OS
360's OS isn't slow, it's just the UI is a pain to navigate around to get to the things you want (nowhere near as bad as the new PS3 store UI though). The actual OS behind the scenes is solid.
Alebrije
Member
Its MIcrosoft issue
IHaveCandy
Banned
One thing they can't optimize is slow responses from the cable box. People hate cable boxes because they are slow. This isn't going to speed it up.
Off-Kilter
Banned
I have no issue with the feature being choppy at the moment. I don't even have an issue with Microsoft faking that bit (I'm sure many companies embellish details during pressers).
No, my issue with this whole episode has to do with how the instant response was used as a big marketing point for a considerable chunk of the presentation. Yusuf Mehdi went out of his way to gloat about how quick the OS and the snap features were. I find the notion of faking a demonstration - and then playing it up a great deal, without mentioning that it was a proof of concept at best - incredibly disingenuous.
No, my issue with this whole episode has to do with how the instant response was used as a big marketing point for a considerable chunk of the presentation. Yusuf Mehdi went out of his way to gloat about how quick the OS and the snap features were. I find the notion of faking a demonstration - and then playing it up a great deal, without mentioning that it was a proof of concept at best - incredibly disingenuous.
But the guy wasn't even adressing your other reasons. You say it could be a billion things including a bad cable box, the guy says it's ridiculous that they would demo with a bad cable box, and then you get all mad about how the guy expects the UI to be done. I'm not sure what you're reading selectively.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Exactly. Thats a huge factor. Mine is pretty recent, and even without an xbox its slow at times. Now add an xbox to all this. I dont envy their QA teams.
What's that supposed to mean? My Windows 7 is super responsive and smooth.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Watching the youtube vid, she seems really confident about getting the kinks out.
"Obviously this is an early build. You're not even going to believe what you see with the ship build".
Sounds like it'll get smoothed out for launch
"Obviously this is an early build. You're not even going to believe what you see with the ship build".
Sounds like it'll get smoothed out for launch
Tylahedras
Banned
So the thing they told me that it does, that I didn't want it to do, it doesn't do well?
Hell, that's swell, oh well.
Hell, that's swell, oh well.
So move out of the US? ha ha
The reaction is due to how big a step backwards this video is from the announcement presentation which suggests a level of deception is at play. I have no doubt that most of the kinks will be ironed out by release (or shortly thereafter) but it doesn't bode well when their press approved demonstrations are this poor.
famousmortimer
Banned
What is she supposed to say?
"It'll get even worse and won't work at all!" ?
"We hope to make it a bit better till launch..." ?
CassidyIzABeast
Member
True. In this case the whole side bar is slow to load. If it was just the DVR, only the video would be slow to load as the X1 is only an overlay.
My DVR has zero problems scaling the live feed to a window. Hell it can do it with with 4 streams at once..
Megatron
Member
It is, actually. 10:00am pacific time, same time as the conference....Wait, people thought it was live? Price is Right isn't even on at that time!
Monty Mole
Member
It's not an issue. It's a bug. The final build won't be like that, even the 360 wouldn't have any trouble with that. I thought nobody cared about these TV features anyway?
)NullPointer
Member
So this is their Killzone 2 "actual gameplay" video.
I think you've pretty much summed up how I feel about it. When they commented on the responsiveness as if it was happening in real-time, they went beyond the normal deception of a stage show to blatantly lying to people.
What?
It's slower than my regular remote control. How is that not bad when the damn feature is called snap?
Both.
Take these into account:
- They claim you can have a game running while all that is going on
- 3 OSes
So, while all the non-gaming stuff is going on (browser/snap/skype/apps) are on in one OS, the Game OS needs to always have X amount on CPU/RAM reserved for it, so you're restricted in that sense by the hardware.
At the same time, you're reliant on the software even working, for one; then you're reliant on the 3 layered OSes to play nice with each other giving the limited resources on the hardware. So, not only do they need to get the thing working properly, but they need to optimize it so that it efficiently uses the limited amount of hardware resources it can have.
Marty Chinn
Member
No, but it will cut out a lot of steps and speed up other things, so in the end it will still be overall faster.
fluffydelusions
Member
Maybe a bit of both. Not sure how exactly the xbone works but most tv tuners are pretty CPU intense and I've heard the xbone/ps4 CPU are not so great?
Always-honest
Banned
Because i want dedicated machines that do their thing well. I have a great receiver. Xbox just needs to play games well. It's not a receiver.
I could still imagine that i would buy the xbox if it runs out that it's a great gaming machine with great games.
But i will never use those tv functions. Not that they were made for me anyway, cause i'm european.
And i will never ever use voice commands. But i'm sure the xbox will also work with the controller.
I think the issue is more the stark difference between the on-screen conference "demonstration" and reality. If it wasn't close to ready, they shouldn't have shown it as a demonstration. I think most of us here realize that pre-release software has performance issues. The reaction here is a combination of what I just said and also just HOW rough it looked (the live TV framerate looking to be in the single digits) when it's 5-7 months away from release.
Devilgunman
Member
The only snappy UI from MS is WP8. Others are just sloppy mess.
Yes, except that what MS showed is within the realms of possibility.
Windows 8 and 360 UI both seem fine to me?
Metalmurphy
Member
NullPointer
Member
lol, you're right.
How many Killzone 2's does Microsoft need? Kinect, Milo, Xbox One's TV features etc.
The Killzone 2 GIF floodgate has been signaled to open.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Is this console rushed to the market or what? This looks terribad with 3 OS's and 3GB of Ram, lol.
It's not tuning the TV though, your existing cable box is doing that.
IHaveCandy
Banned
The only speedier part is voice commands, which is neat. But there is now a cable box that does that already.
Marty Chinn
Member
And guess what, it'll likely play games well. We all should wait until E3 before we say one way or another though, but there's been nothing to suggest it won't play games well. Some people seem to think that MS is a single threaded company when they can handle multiple threads at once that won't affect each other. When launch comes around in 5 months and there are only two launch titles, and all the marketing is showing commercials for nothing but Live TV, then we can complain about the Xbox One not having games.
The voice commands, the search, the on screen guide, even utilizing the controller should be faster than the cable box. The only thing you'll have to deal with is the slow channel changing. Everything else should go through the Xbox One and be faster and quicker to navigate. It'll be a step up.
Which cable box has voice commands? And how does it apply to anyone without that service?
Silphonica
Banned
This gif seems to slow down the amount of time i takes for the snap-sidebar to appear, almost twice as long actually than in the video.
It's sstill choppy but doesn't take that long to load.