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Xbox One will provide live NFL games at a blazing 60fps
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Funchameleon
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Sport: the only valid reason to watch HFR video
shock-value
Neo Member
No, the main point I and others are trying to make is that they are still true 60fps, and they are likely rendered at full 1080p internally, but the effective vertical resolution when transmitted to and displayed on your TV at 1080i will be somewhere between 1080 and 540 depending on how much movement is going on on-screen.
No, I get what you're saying. I was joking.
It just seems that there's quite a few people here making the assumption that the odd and even frames in 1080i always contain the same information.
BoosterDuck
Banned
But the human eye can't see above 30 fps.
shock-value
Neo Member
No, I get what you're saying. I was joking.
It just seems that there's quite a few people here making the assumption that the odd and even frames in 1080i always contain the same information.
Ah sorry missed the sarcasm. As has been mentioned I'm still a "Junior" around here so that's my excuse :/
Marty Chinn
Member
FYI, the NHL is already streaming online games at 60hz so it's not even like it's the first case for this to be true for a major sporting event. Even the UFC PPV events on the Xbox 360 were being streamed at 60hz.
Not true at all. While sports is certainly a good candidate for a 60hz refresh, I still also prefer things such as live events to be at 60hz too. There are some cases where I think 60hz is better.
Even better, 60 fps games didn't exist in the home until the HD era.
Not true at all. While sports is certainly a good candidate for a 60hz refresh, I still also prefer things such as live events to be at 60hz too. There are some cases where I think 60hz is better.
Even better, 60 fps games didn't exist in the home until the HD era.
You're right, that is even better. Let's run with that!
If more directors would adopt HFR everyone would just adapt to it. Watching The Hobbit 2 was a significantly better experience with the CG than the first one.
Sports will always be the media that can always use more frames and more P's though.
FeiRR
Banned
If you want to experience how 60 FPS movies look like, there's this software for PC (Windows) http://www.svp-team.com (install, use attached MPC-HC player). I just tried it and there is a significant difference in almost all videos. Some look really weird at first.
NullPointer
Member
If I was into sports I'd be all over this.
Even watching the Hobbit at 48fps was insane. 60fps seems like a great way to watch this stuff.
Even watching the Hobbit at 48fps was insane. 60fps seems like a great way to watch this stuff.
The main drawback of higher frame rate is you lose some of the cinematic gloss. HFR made some visual flaws in Hobbit all the more apparent. There is not much cinematic gloss to lose in a broadcast of a sports game and nothing to hide. I don't think it has to be 24 vs 48 vs 60. Different directors should be free to pick whichever option works best.
I would love to see a show like Game of Thrones in a higher frame rate for example because so much of the detail in the elaborate costumes and sets is lost to the viewer. Not to mention that sword fights aren't as interesting in a lower frame rate. All the grittiness and danger of a fight is lost in the lower frame rate and you have to turn everything into a fancy dance like battle in order to make it appealing. I haven't seen football in a higher frame rate but my guess is you actually do pick up on more subtle actions and evasive maneuvers.
I would love to see a show like Game of Thrones in a higher frame rate for example because so much of the detail in the elaborate costumes and sets is lost to the viewer. Not to mention that sword fights aren't as interesting in a lower frame rate. All the grittiness and danger of a fight is lost in the lower frame rate and you have to turn everything into a fancy dance like battle in order to make it appealing. I haven't seen football in a higher frame rate but my guess is you actually do pick up on more subtle actions and evasive maneuvers.
geek_box12
Banned
You know seeing sports at 720p 60fps is much better than 1080i at 30fps? An this will come in HANDY when it comes to ALL major sports since the action moves so fast.
geek_box12
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NobleGundam
Banned
Why only confirm this for NFL?
Are they not ready or confident enough for the same as their planned Tv programs like Halo Live Action Series?
Are they not ready or confident enough for the same as their planned Tv programs like Halo Live Action Series?
Marty Chinn
Member
Sorry but you're wrong. Dead or Alive is still 60 fps.
They won't do this for Halo.
geek_box12
Banned
most of them are 1080i60 which is an inferior picture compared to 720p60.
geek_box12
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Two interlaced SD images are merged to create one higher resolution image. You can disagree but Capcom is deceiving you by making you think its a "true" HD image at 60fps.
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I also forgot that since that game is 1080i its 60 interlaced frames per second which means they can say its 60 frames, but in reality its only two interlaced images merged into one "HD" image running at a total of 60 interlaced frames per second combined. It's deceptive marketing that Capcom is using to deceive gamers into thinking its true 60fps.
Marty Chinn
Member
1) You're hung up on the terminology of the display
2) The display doesn't change the fact that the game is running at 60 fps
3) Despite your terms, you're still getting 60 updates a second being displayed to your screen
4) I'm well aware of the difference between interlaced and progressive image displays and in no way being deceived by anyone
5) Capcom has nothing to do with Dead or Alive
geek_box12
Banned
ITs not running at 60 progressive frames per second. ITs running at two 30 interlaced frames persecond, but when added together you get 60. When the game is running half the images are displayed and half of them are not. Each image is running at 30 fps. It's NOT 60 frames per two seconds (half the image for one second and the other half the next second) its 60 frames per second. You can be as stubborn as you want but basic research into the subject will show how wrong you are.
An yes I did not mean Capcom, I meant Tecmo.
Louis Cyphre
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None of the shows i watch has the same clarity of watching bluray films. I just watched the NFL games on Sunday and they too look like a 720p signal. Maybe it's my cable provider.
Marty Chinn
Member
It is still a 60 fps game. You can argue all you want the difference between an interlaced image versus a progressive frame, but that doesn't change the fact that the game is being updated 60 times to the screen. The framerate of the game is 60 frames per second. You're arguing image quality and I'm arguing framerate. This is an age old debate that I've been through many times, but under your definition, there were no 60 fps games until the HD era. We've had plenty of examples, well before HD was a thing, where we'd have something being refreshed to the screen at 60hz. If what you are saying is true, then we would not be able to see the difference between live broadcasts, and sporting events compared to scripted TV shows that run at a different refresh rate. If what you say is true, we wouldn't see the difference between 30 and 60fps games in the PS1 era. Again, you're hung up on the technical terminology of the display signal. The framerate of the content is 60. Period.
LMAO! If only you knew how wrong you are.
DOA4 (or any 60 fps game) running on an interlaced display is still displaying 60 unique images per second. When the screen updates it doesn't switch to the missing lines of the previous frame - it draws an entirely new image.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's so weird to read comments like this. Motion flow barely existed when HDTV launched. Basically only the people working on the effects for The Matrix were using it, and it was slow and software-rendered. (They called it 'optical flow'.)
Yet the first HD I saw back then was true 60fps.
ChoklitCow
Member
If they keep rolling out things like this, and reduce the price, I will strongly look at the One as media hub. Only thing that might hang me up is how they handle DLNA this gen.
*edit* If this ends up for Sunday Ticket. Not just red zone.
*edit* If this ends up for Sunday Ticket. Not just red zone.
infinityBCRT
Member
Well, NFL games can definitely be 720p depending on which station it's being aired on.
And yes, it definitely could be your cable provider recompressing the images and/or the calibration on your cable input is not as good as whatever input you use for blurays also causing your shows not to look that great... or it could be the station itself. It's generally accepted that cable provider channel quality is inferior to the quality you get with OTA HD channels as the cable provider is recompressing the original signal.
Then again, I've seen terrible OTA HD channels too... The CW was particularly bad at some point. I remember when WWE first went HD, I think Smackdown was on the CW, and it looked like shit because the CW's compression seemed to be optimized for 30FPS content.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Please bring it to the BPL
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont watch Americal Football, but that looks like a pretty nice integration i must say.
Blue oyster
Banned
Espn fantasy football app needs to be on here pronto. Once it arrives I'll do something I never thought I would do. Hook up my cable to the xbox. Make moves Microsoft season starts soon.
death4romabove22
Member
Guys please help how much does this cost monthly ????
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Very freaking nice. I wish I was a die hard football fan to take advantage of this. The fantasy football thing is amazing.
MustacheBandit_
Member
is this going to be in every xb1 thread?
Ol No Bones
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Sports might be cool at a higher frame rate. Movies look like crap at higher frame rate.
Well you're quoting shit from January dude.
Would be awesome for us Europeans.
Wait, so those stations that chose 720p because for sports it should offer better motion handling, are often actually only broadcasting 720p/30 and frame-doubling? I remember the heated discussions back in the day about which broadcast format was better. I prefer 1080i but I'm more of a movie/docs person (and in the UK everything is 1080i anyway). And most broadcasters send that out properly so it can be deinterlaced to 1080p/24 for many shows and movies. But I at least recognised that 720p had the framerate advantage. I am honestly shocked that isn't even the case.
This is pretty amazing TBH. I don't even watch NFL, but I know a lot of sports fans that play games. And this is really great.
SenjutsuSage
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DarthWalden
Banned
This app was pretty shit last year but this looks like a massive improvement.
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SmoothRunningGun
Member
Now that I did some reading this is very cool. I hope you can watch games on demand because I don't watch anything live (not even the superbowl).
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Sounds like Hockey would benefit from this more than football.
José Mourinho
cocknose
If MS could privide something like this for the Premier League I'd be very happy.