can you blame people for thinking they wouldn't? it was MS themselves that said the policies were at the heart of the console's design and that they could just "flip a switch"
We will see ; )
I understand. I'm probably buying the XB1 this fall, and the PS4 next year.
But when someone says the PS4 has no advantages, it's worth noting it's still more powerful.
Laptop camera, cellphone camera. That really should be the end of the discussion. This isn't something new that Microsoft inventedI love all of the people pretending to have never heard of the human concept of privacy. "Why WOULDN'T you let strangers bug your house and put you on camera 24 hours a day? It's ridiculous!"
I post the link again gladly. Please read it this time.
https://twitter.com/albertpenello/statuses/365515067225161729
In that post i meant a $399 sku. in terms of this post i was not talking about that rumor.
If they release a $400 version then Sony will have completely lost any advantage they once had.
They are. And the ones that are not are including Kinect features.
Come on - if the Kinect is not a pack in, devs will likely ignore it. If it stays a pack in, then we will see devs do more with it. Which could be cool - or not, but it would have been interesting.
The problem with gimmicks is that many games make some minor shitty use of them, but that is still enough for them being necessary although the actual game would perfectly work without them. Maps on the Wii U GamePad, dirt rubbing and touch QTEs in Uncharted:GA on the Vita, turning of valves with the DS3 in Killzone 3, boosting in Mario Kart Wii (and a honk on the GamePad in Mario Kart 8, lol), etc.
But historically, the most powerful console gas never ended up with the most unit sales.
Not really the power differences guarantee a better gaming experience performance wise for multiplats. The difference isn't a micro-millimeter thing where devs will "have to get used to it" since it's very easy to develop for and that power will be utiilized very easily. Plus the exclusives will look better for it too.
Of course, I wasn't suggesting the PS4 didn't have advantages. It obviously does, in more than just power.
But historically, the most powerful console gas never ended up with the most unit sales. Anyone who buys a console for its power over games should be questioning how they spend their money.
Its widely accepted here that the PS3 apparently has the best 1st party lineup currently, which is a major contributing factor to end of Gen sales increase.
This should also then apply to the One. Its hard to legitimately argue that the One's CURRENT exclusive lineup isn't better than the PS4's. Especially at launch.
So if Microsoft drop to $399 and keep Kinect, then id wager those who still choose to ignore were most likely never going to buy it regardless of Microsoft's missteps and whether they existed in the past or not.
If games are what sells consoles and price being a barrier to those games, then a $399 One with Kinect and that lineup should- in theory, be hard to resist for any gamer.
If they don't have to get used to it and its more powerful then how come there are no differences between the titles we have seen?
I don't blame people, nor did I expect any of these 180s. I just decided I'd get a PS4 instead (after lambasting MS six ways to Sunday on how they were idiots).can you blame people for thinking they wouldn't? it was MS themselves that said the policies were at the heart of the console's design and that they could not just "flip a switch"
The PS3 really did everything then.
If they don't have to get used to it and its more powerful then how come there are no differences between the titles we have seen?
Huh? The Wii "won" this Gen handily and the other two were neck a neck.
If we count from when next Gen actually started, the PS3 was last.
lets be perfectly clear before this becomes some sort of "rumor" like the 12gb of RAM nonsense...
the chances of MS dropping the price by $100 and keeping Kinect is ludicrous...$399 without Kinect? maybe ill give you that...but you have to remember...MS is already going to be taking a loss on each Xbone sold...the bean counters have already crunched numbers for months and months and decided what was the appropriate launch price based on hardware costs...
simply deciding to take a whole extra $100 loss per console this close to launch?...come onnnnnn....lets get real here for like 2.2 seconds...
Everyone tell me Sony won this gen easily worldwide.
Keep dreaming.
this wasn't something decided on just now, the jimmy fallon show they play COD without kinect. Even so, no game has launched yet. D4 is a kinect game but its been known since E3 that you can also play it with the controller.
This should also then apply to the One. Its hard to legitimately argue that the One's CURRENT exclusive lineup isn't better than the PS4's. Especially at launch.
It won't be. I now fully expect a lower price point and removed Kinect.
There is always the WiiU.
Of course, I wasn't suggesting the PS4 didn't have advantages. It obviously does, in more than just power.
But historically, the most powerful console has never ended up with the most unit sales. Anyone who buys a console for its power over games should be questioning how they spend their money.
Its widely accepted here that the PS3 apparently has the best 1st party lineup currently, which is a major contributing factor to end of Gen sales increase.
This should also then apply to the One. Its hard to legitimately argue that the One's CURRENT exclusive lineup isn't better than the PS4's. Especially at launch.
So if Microsoft drop to $399 and keep Kinect, then id wager those who still choose to ignore were most likely never going to buy it regardless of Microsoft's missteps and whether they existed in the past or not.
If games are what sells consoles and price being a barrier to those games, then a $399 One with Kinect and that lineup should- in theory, be hard to resist for any gamer.
I do, Its still there, and I welcome it. details have changed making it more welcome to other users but the vision is still there.Dodging that forced motion control bullet. Remember that thing Microsoft revealed in May? Neither do I.
Since developers will use the kinect now that it comes with every system, will some exclusive games still require the kinect to play? Or can you play the game without the kinect now that it can be plugged off?
It will be just like it is on 360 right now. if its a kinect only game then you will need the kinect.
Remember that thing Microsoft revealed in May? Neither do I.
If they don't have to get used to it and its more powerful then how come there are no differences between the titles we have seen?
Given what is currently known that is a perfectly reasonable position, yes (although for me personally Infamous easily beats anything the XBO has lined up, but of course that's not a launch game). But I have a hard time seeing how this would apply to the XBO if you also consider the rest of the generation (which you probably should, unless you're planning on getting both either way). Sony's suite of 1st party developers is much stronger than MS's, that's pretty much a universally accepted fact. And we have no idea what most of them are working on. What we do know is that there are 30 1st party PS4 titles currently being developed, of which 20 will be released during the console's first year. 12 of the 30 are new IPs. So while, yes, looking at the known titles right now might make the XBO look more attractive, I doubt that will be the case in a year. In fact, I suspect it might not even be the case after GamesCom. I doubt we already know the full PS4 launch (or at least launch window) lineup.
How is it hard to legitimately argue that Xbones lineup is better then ps4's? Games are subjective.
That's a fair enough assessment.
I guess I should have been clear in explaining the context.
Despite the reversals, we still have many (mostly the same) posters claiming they will still refuse to buy even if the price drops, mainly because of power.
Hence, my point. If they said "All these changes are good, but ultimately none of what I've seen if the One library piques my interest", then that's fair enough. But "more power" seems to be the same fallback.
I did pretense my post with the premise that the PS3 exclusive lineup is widely accepted as better. To which I tried to then relate the rest. Interesting you didn't slap your subjective argument over that part.
People said the same for drm and even the required kinect. it's happening.
This should also then apply to the One. Its hard to legitimately argue that the One's CURRENT exclusive lineup isn't better than the PS4's. Especially at launch.
Don't you need Kinect to turn the console on in the first place? I could have sworn I read somewhere that there is no power button, rather you turn the console on by voice activation.
Microsoft are never going to remove one of the key features of their console to sell more units. Calling for it's removal and splitting the user-base for the sake of $80 or whatever is the dumbest thing being said about the Xbox One.
People calling for the removal without thinking about what that means should just go buy a PS4 and then feel the burn when/if a game comes out that forces them to pay $100 for an accessory to play it.
MS are much more likely to lower the price than to downgrade a key feature to an optional accessory.
Microsoft are never going to remove one of the key features of their console to sell more units. Calling for it's removal and splitting the user-base for the sake of $80 or whatever is the dumbest thing being said about the Xbox One.
People calling for the removal without thinking about what that means should just go buy a PS4 and then feel the burn when/if a game comes out that forces them to pay $100 for an accessory to play it.
MS are much more likely to lower the price than to downgrade a key feature to an optional accessory.
Its widely accepted here that the PS3 apparently has the best 1st party lineup currently, which is a major contributing factor to end of Gen sales increase.
This should also then apply to the One. Its hard to legitimately argue that the One's CURRENT exclusive lineup isn't better than the PS4's. Especially at launch.