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[lifeexpectancy]

Yes PS3 and Xbox One sold so well at $500.

PS3 launched at $599, fact check.

Xb1 sold fine at $499. It sold half as much as ps4 worldwide, but ps4 is a beast. Xb1 sold well enough to be considered a moderate success, especially considering they screwed the pooch with Kinect, DRM, and TV TV TV at its announcement.

 

[Grinchy]

$499 is a fair price for what you are getting, but I don't know how well it's going to do any time soon.

It's kind of a shame, too. How well these stop-gap consoles do (X and Pro) kinda determines how many developers will give any kind of a shit about supporting them with good content. If I learned one thing from the Pro, many developers seem hesitant to put in good support for the small userbase.

With this console being twice the price of a regular xbox, I just can't imagine the userbase growing very quickly and I really wonder if we'll see a better range of support than we're currently seeing with the Pro (which has been a bit lackluster).

 

[Inceptional]

If the difference between $399 and $499 turned you away then you were never really in it. That $100 difference isnt a very big dent in a quality 4k display.

That's a bullshit argument. I've spent over $1000 just on two different XBO consoles and an elite controller. I'm not thinking about $100 fucking dollars, I'm thinking about another $500. Did you even read my post before rushing to dismiss it?

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Fuck the Xbox One (X)

Chill it, bruh

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Not being funny, it's more expensive than the PS3 was at launch in the UK.

PS3 came out pre-Brexit idiocy. X1X - afterwards. Your life is worse and your pound has less power once you "take back control."

 

[ZeoVGM]

I think it's absolutely INSANE that Microsoft is launching a premium 'prosumer' Xbox and literally the ONLY graphically impressive title that they showed was Anthem, a 3rd party title.

Which won't be out until 2018, probably fall 2018.

(And I'm sorry, we've all seen this stuff before. I don't even know if that was actual gameplay or not.)

 

[psyfi]

I was totally expecting to want a Scorpio leading up to E3. Like, it wasn't even a question in my mind. But now I dunno, the only exclusive I saw that really excited my was Ori, and that's not worth getting an Xbox upgrade for.

 

[Inceptional]

Which won't be out until 2018, probably fall 2018.

(And I'm sorry, we've all seen this stuff before. I don't even know if that was actual gameplay or not.)

I think the bigger problem was that it didn't even look half as good as Horizon: Zero Dawn.

 

[t hicks]

the more I think about it the more interested I am in getting one @ launch...
plus it's out on my b-day so.... Uh oh...

 

[Nokterian]

Not worth the upgrade for me, i am still happy with my xbox one.

 

[SapientWolf]

Xbox One X |OT| Relish the Power

What if I'd rather mustard the power?

 

[MilkyJoe]

Im more surprised anyone was naive enough to think it would be any less than this. Common sense alone says this would have been the price point.

Exactly

2013 - PS4 £399
2016 - PS4 Pro (2xPS4) £399
2017 - Scorpio (3xPS4) £399?

What planet are you guys living on?

 

[Inceptional]

What if I'd rather mustard the power?

Why not both?

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I think it's absolutely INSANE that Microsoft is launching a premium 'prosumer' Xbox and literally the ONLY graphically impressive title that they showed was Anthem, a 3rd party title.

Metro looked quite a bit like a generational Leap, visually speaking.

 

[psyfi]

Xbox v.Next and PS5 should 100% cost $499. Put some actual good CPUs in them. People can afford $500 consoles nowadays.

I dunno who you're hanging with but everyone I know is more broke than ever before

 

[Malcolm9]

As someone who hasn't bought an Xbox console this gen, MS have failed again to give me a reason to pick one up.

None of what they showed last night was particularly impressive and for the price I really think it'll hurt them. Yes they can say they have the most powerful console, but without a variety of decent quality exclusives it means nothing to me.

This will be even more niche than the Pro.

 

[Kickz]

No Banjo K

No Sunset Overdrive

No Buy

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Metro looked quite a bit like a generational Leap, visually speaking.

Metro is also a 3rd party title

 

[gustave154]

Somy just needs to drop the price of the pro as this will be dead in the water. $499 for a new console mid generation is just too expensive.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

That's a bullshit argument. I've spent over $1000 just on two different XBO consoles and an elite controller. I'm not thinking about $100 fucking dollars, I'm thinking about another $500. Did you even read my post before rushing to dismiss it?

I read your post. Another $500 vs another $400 is still only $100 difference.

If you arent in at $499 you werent very in at $399. I dont care how many xboxes youve owned. Everyone acting like $499 is a death knell when anyone with common sense should have expected $449 MINIMUM and $499 sensibly.

 

[Nydius]

No kidding. Considering its just a higher end XB1, the whole idea of it being DOA is absolutely idiotic and frankly reaks of console warrior foolishness.

Of course it isn't going to be DOA in the strictest sense of the word. There will be some people who buy it. But the question is: "How many?"

We already know that since the Pro's launch, 1:5 new PS4s sold have been Pros. I highly doubt Microsoft will reach the same level of adoption with new sales after the XOX is launched. For a number of reasons, including price tag, confusing naming scheme, and lagging first party efforts.

For the folks that dont want to fuck around with PC gaming and prefer console gaming and their ecosystems, but that want the best possible experience on console, this thing will sell. For folks that were 360 gamers who switched to PS4 and are now looking at coming back for games theyve missed (Sunset Od, Killer Insinct, FH2/3, Ori, Halo, Gears, etc) and future exclusives, this thing will sell. Maybe not till a price drop to 449 or 399, but it will sell.

I think you're being optimistic to the point of unrealistic. The "best possible experience on console" reads like Microsoft marketing tripe - unless they have the perfect set of conditions (decent 4K TV with HDR support that doesn't stink) - they're not really getting the best possible experience. 1080p, even a 1080p TV that supports HDR, would be perfectly fine with an XOS (e: And since I know someone will counter with this, most people won't even notice supersampling or even know what supersampling is). There's no need to cough up almost double for an XOX unless you absolutely know you're getting a quality 4K set in the not-too-distant-future.

Those "360 gamers who switched to PS4", again, unless they have a great 4K setup, have no real need to buy an XOX rather than an XOS, and if they're waiting for an XOX price drop, well, the S will get a proportional price drop over time too. Again, not seeing the rosy sales projection you're putting out.

Yes it will sell. But mainly only to hardcore Xbox brand enthusiasts. For everyone else, the XOS is still the best value for the best performance if they want to be in the Xbox ecosystem.

 

[neurosisxeno]

I don't think a lot of you guys realize how much these products cost to design and manufacture. It's not like they just wave a wand and it's cool to sell it $100 cheaper like people are suggesting. Sony probably sells the Pro at a fairly slim profit margin, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox One X is priced with a similarly slim profit margin accounted for. You can't just sell stuff at a massive loss to stick it to your competitors forever...

I read your post. Another $500 vs another $400 is still only $100 difference.

If you arent in at $499 you werent very in at $399. I dont care how many xboxes youve owned. Everyone acting like $499 is a death knell when anyone with common sense should have expected $449 MINIMUM and $499 sensibly.

Not to mention his original post actually had no real point. Apparently $499 is crossing the line, but he has purchased an Xbox One, Xbox One S, and a PS4 Pro with minimal complaint. Just because you spent close to $1000 on Microsoft's previous iterations of the console doesn't mean somehow you as a consumer are entitled to a lower cost product in the future. This is economics, Microsoft sells the product at a price point they think the market can bare based on the cost to design and manufacture the device. You could own 40 Xbox One's and they would still sell it at $499.

 

[LyleLanley]

I think the bigger problem was that it didn't even look half as good as Horizon: Zero Dawn.

Graphics wise? If so I disagree strongly.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

PS3 launched at $599, fact check.

PS3 launched with a (gimped) $499 model. Do your own fact checking before calling someone out.

Xb1 sold fine at $499.

Yes it sold so fine MS dumped Kinect and dropped the price by $100 within six-months, something not seen since the 3DO...

 

[Wallach]

I'm not sure I've seen such a tepid reaction to a major hardware release in a while. Seems like a tough mountain to climb for them.

 

[Inceptional]

Im more surprised anyone was naive enough to think it would be any less than this. Common sense alone says this would have been the price point.

It's not about common sense, it's about making a statement, something MS chose not to do today. I think it'll end up biting them in the ass unless they really up the ante with their games library, which I'll believe it when I see it and I didn't see anything that set my world on fire today.

 

[Inceptional]

Graphics wise? If so I disagree strongly.

In every regard.

 

[big_z]

I don't think a lot of you guys realize how much these products cost to design and manufacture. It's not like they just wave a wand and it's cool to sell it $100 cheaper like people are suggesting. Sony probably sells the Pro at a fairly slim profit margin, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox One X is priced with a similarly slim profit margin accounted for. You can't just sell stuff at a massive loss to stick it to your competitors forever...

while true for Microsoft they need to make up ground. you could tell when phil announced the price he knew it was a mistake, but I doubt the higher ups would let him do something like $399.

 

[LyleLanley]

In every regard.

I don't believe that you think the graphics in Horizon are twice as good as what we saw today.

 

[Samanosuke Akechi]

PS3 launched at $599, fact check.

Xb1 sold fine at $499. It sold half as much as ps4 worldwide, but ps4 is a beast. Xb1 sold well enough to be considered a moderate success, especially considering they screwed the pooch with Kinect, DRM, and TV TV TV at its announcement.

20gb ps3 $499
60gb ps3 $599.

Both models launched November 17th 2006.

I should know. I camped outside Best Buy for a week to be third in line.

 

[RedRum]

Day 1 for me. I'll preorder tomorrow. I got more than a $100 trade in with my OG XB1 for the S and I'm looking forward to bringing that price down again by trading in my S.

 

[Freeman76]

It's not about common sense, it's about making a statement, something MS chose not to do today. I think it'll end up biting them in the ass unless they really up the ante with their games library, which I'll believe it when I see it and I didn't see anything that set my world on fire today.

Yeah the problem is games, they just dont have them. I really think they have lost touch. Its a shame as Sony dont even have to try anymore which is a bad thing for us gamers

 

[Kickz]

In every regard.

You are talking out of your ass fanboy

 

[Inceptional]

I'm not sure I've seen such a tepid reaction to a major hardware release in a while. Seems like a tough mountain to climb for them.

Except in this thread, haha. I've been an XBOX fanboy since Halo 1 and even I can see that it was a mistake. The defenders in here though just don't get it though.

 

[Grinchy]

Metro looked quite a bit like a generational Leap, visually speaking.

The fact that you thought that was real gameplay is what's wrong with conferences like these sometimes.

That was nothing more than an "in-game engine" cutscene pretending to be gameplay. Watch it again and imagine that you're actually controlling it and you'll see all the little things that don't match up with the reality of playing a videogame.

 

[Mooreberg]

Im more surprised anyone was naive enough to think it would be any less than this. Common sense alone says this would have been the price point.

I'm not at all surprised at the price, but it is incredibly odd for a piece of hardware that will be sharing all of its content with its predecessor. There won't even be a functional equivalent of Dead Rising 3 or Sunset Overdrive. It is very difficult to follow logic of how a $499 platform without exclusive games is going to do any better than a $499 platform that had exclusives and still needed to adjust the pricing well before a single year on the market. Everybody has seen how $499 works over the past ten years, and it has never been particularly good.

 

[darkwing]

just how many consoles were sold at 499 and above without going through a price cut or revision several months down the road

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I'm not sure I've seen such a tepid reaction to a major hardware release in a while. Seems like a tough mountain to climb for them.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If MS had gone the Sony route and treated this as a quiet option for the hardcore it would be fine, even the price would have been seen as alright.

Instead, they come out with trumpets blaring, MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVAH!(tm) and treating it basically as a new console launch, getting their fanbase pumped and filing them with unrealistic expectations, while only clarifying in post-conference interviews the actual upgrade/for-enthusiasts-only nature of the scorpio, which most fans downplay or downright ignore.

Really, MS has no one to blame but themselves for the reaction. The marketing treats the XboneX like the second coming, while only afterwards whispering that its just an upgrade.

As I said back in E3 2016, I'm getting flashbacks to the Sega CD and 32X.

 

[Inceptional]

You are talking out of your ass fanboy

I have a 360, One-S, PS3 and PS4 Pro all hooked up and I love the shit out of all of them, how am I a fanboy? Because I have an opinion? If anything you're the fanboy for thinking somebody's opinion is shit because they don't agree with you.

 

[leeh]

The fact that you thought that was real gameplay is what's wrong with conferences like these sometimes.

That was nothing more than an "in-game engine" cutscene pretending to be gameplay. Watch it again and imagine that you're actually controlling it and you'll see all the little things that don't match up with the reality of playing a videogame.

So realtime cutscenes don't count now as they're not playing?

 

[BananasWithGuns]

I really wish it was coming sooner. Like, I'm hyped as hell for Shadow of War and Assassin's Creed and it's going to suck having them just sit there until November because I'd prefer to play them on the X.

 

[RedFury]

The fact that you thought that was real gameplay is what's wrong with conferences like these sometimes.

That was nothing more than an "in-game engine" cutscene pretending to be gameplay. Watch it again and imagine that you're actually controlling it and you'll see all the little things that don't match up with the reality of playing a videogame.

Have you played any of the other Metros? That's their trademark effects it's like their staple. Seriously the previous 2 games on PC are a sight to behold maxed out.

 

[leeh]

You are talking out of your ass fanboy

Wow.

Bioware's new game looked better than it by quite a large margin IMO.

 

[Inceptional]

just how many consoles were sold at 499 and above without going through a price cut or revision several months down the road

People 'round here don't have good memories I guess.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

I'm in, just let me know when I can preorder on Amazon.

 

[Samanosuke Akechi]

Xb1 sold fine at $499.

m


Price among other things were initially very lopsided in favor of PS4 once pre orders went live on Amazon. So I'd argue X1 didn't sell all that well at $499. If it did, I don't think Microsoft would have cut the price 5-6mos after launch.

 

[Kickz]

Wow.

Bioware's new game looked better than it by quite a large margin IMO.

Something about E3 and asinine opinions LOL 😂

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If MS had gone the Sony route and treated this as a quiet option for the hardcore it would be fine, even the price would have been seen as alright.

Instead, they come out with trumpets blaring, MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVAH!(tm) and treating it basically as a new console launch, getting their fanbase pumped and filing them with unrealistic expectations, while only clarifying in post-conference interviews the actual upgrade/for-enthusiasts-only nature of the scorpio, which most fans downplay or downright ignore.

Really, MS has no one to blame but themselves for the reaction. The marketing treats the XboneX like the second coming, while only afterwards whispering that its just an upgrade.

As I said back in E3 2016, I'm getting flashbacks to the Sega CD and 32X.

Idk where those people got that idea that this was gonna start the next generation. And Microsoft made is super clear that this was an enhanced upgrade from the base Xbox One model.

 

[Malcolm9]

Wow.

Bioware's new game looked better than it by quite a large margin IMO.

We'll see when it's released, hard to judge when one game is out and the other isn't here until 2018.

 

[Inceptional]

Something about E3 and asinine opinions LOL 😂

Yea, and you definitely put the ASS in asinine.