Jaguar Victory
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4K textures are huge imo
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Xbox One X - Available November 7 for $499
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4K textures are huge imo
Well people are not worried about them individually, I'm sure most of neogafers can afford it. People are worried because they want their brand to succeed,they wanted the Scorpio to be a momentum shifter, maybe win 2017 NPD, also get some surprises.. and they know at that price and without the exclusives promised that won't be the case. It was a rude awakening.
I also think all the hype in the Xbox thread played againts MS. Even I was convinced the price would be lower because of that robot, and that we would get a new Banjo, a new Fable...something.
To elaborate:
This board is about discussing the industry, sales figures etc. $499 is the wrong price for the consumer market - doesn't matter how good the tech is. If the Pro is a failure then this thing is DOA.
VincentMatts
Member
And thats my big issue with it. Im paying more when there was really nothing showed that made it worth it. How do i know if the games i wanna play Like destiny2 and battlefront2 will be enhanced or not if they already have a sony exclusive deal for content?
If this were next gen and i know all games built for it took full advantage, thats a different story. But i dont know if games that have deals with sony will even take full advantage of this hardware, and if they do, will they even be able to talk about it or will it be like the ps4 pro and say nothing while keeping players in the dark. And those are pretty much some of the biggest games of the year.
Plus, no halo5 enhanced support is a huge smack in the face.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Agreed on that, and I can't believe that final point. That's just insane.
LOOL I see what you did there.
Okami Haundo
Member
I'm honestly with you on this one. Microsoft really doesn't have any AAA exclusive IP that are on-par with Uncharted or Horizon. For me personally, Assassin's Creed and Anthem were just as impressive but therein lies their problem for consumers like me. Until they can show me that Xbox One X will make those games look noticeably better on the TV I have right now, I'll stick with my One S.
It'd honestly take a night and day difference on my 1080p Sony for me to jump out there and buy the One X on day one. I'm ok with that though, and I do plan to get one eventually anyway. I'd probably buy on at launch if I had the extra cash to spend too, I just don't have an unlimited budget.
This.
It's not like it only has to be ravid fanboy or fierce hater.
I myself never had any MS console, or even remotely considered buying a XBO-X, but i wanted it to do well for the sake of the industry.
Guess with this price is going to be a lot harder.
This doesn't mean that i wanted MS to "fail", or Sony to "win", i couldn't care less about that.
outunderthestars
Banned
Well said.
MilkyJoe
Member
The lack of jaggies are going to be a nice touch.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Pretty much this. It's like rooting for a sports teams and launching the Xbox One X at $399 would be like signing Bryce Harper to that 10+ year $400 million deal he wants.
Will definitely be getting an Xbox One X. But I also want the brand to succeed and actually make Sony take notice of them in the rearview mirror. More than the price, the lack of any clear road map for 1st party exclusives is what worries me.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Definitely. No argument from me there, but like I said, there's nothing there (yet) that justifies really springing for this box. Down the line, things might be different, and likely will. I never count MS out... however, I'll be waiting for the killer apps before giving this thing the time of day.
MilkyJoe
Member
100% the truth. Especially the entitlement bit.
However, FH3 is better than Sony exclusives...
Exactly
It's way more powerful version of current machines that play the same games (from one ecosystem) just like years of buying pcs before it, if you want the higher power and the better graphics, buy it. If you can not afford it or don't care about the best graphics (6 fuckin teraflops on a console!). Well then good for you, get one of the other options and move along.
Too many people trying to convince others what a stupid idea it is to have the most powerful console option on the market for a $100-$250 more than other "Options"
BigEmil
Junior Member
Maybe better than their racers games only but all exclusives? Lmao you tripping
100% the truth. Especially the entitlement bit.
However, FH3 is better than Sony exclusives...
ALLseeingEYE
Member
It was certainly disappointing to hear that the Xbox One X is $499, but to be completely honest, it basically just confirms that Microsoft really went all in on the power in this thing.
They quite obviously targeted GTX 1070 levels of power with this, which is a $500 card on its own. Doing that gives them a legit 4K system, and you can see that from the trailers. Forza 7, Metro, Anthem, they all looked incredible. They all also looked like they ran at not only 4k, but also with jacked settings.
It will be interesting to see how the games will compare to Sony's slate this year. MS almost seemed to barely be investing in brand new AAA first party IP this year, but I'm sure they have a nice slate lined up for down the road. Either way, if MS chooses to utilize the raw power in this system, the X1X is substantially more powerful than the PS4 Pro, they certainly have a great position there, and are at least properly advertising the system. I would not be surprised to see the X1X be very competitive, if not outsell PS4 Pro due to substantially better communication and design.
They quite obviously targeted GTX 1070 levels of power with this, which is a $500 card on its own. Doing that gives them a legit 4K system, and you can see that from the trailers. Forza 7, Metro, Anthem, they all looked incredible. They all also looked like they ran at not only 4k, but also with jacked settings.
It will be interesting to see how the games will compare to Sony's slate this year. MS almost seemed to barely be investing in brand new AAA first party IP this year, but I'm sure they have a nice slate lined up for down the road. Either way, if MS chooses to utilize the raw power in this system, the X1X is substantially more powerful than the PS4 Pro, they certainly have a great position there, and are at least properly advertising the system. I would not be surprised to see the X1X be very competitive, if not outsell PS4 Pro due to substantially better communication and design.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The price would be justified if they can show $100 difference, if DF do a comparison with Pro and the difference is minor which I imagine will depend on game by game basis then the "DOA" comments may hold true.
Sony struggled with the Pro Vs PS4
MS has to show a $100 difference between the Pro Vs XOX
Sony struggled with the Pro Vs PS4
MS has to show a $100 difference between the Pro Vs XOX
MilkyJoe
Member
It's all subjective, Chile
It's $100 more than the Pro... a 4K Bluray costs more than that let alone the graphical bump up. And Dolby Atmos, oh my.
Damn, that's aggressive, but I agree with the message.
Damn, that's aggressive, but I agree with the message.
I said this in another thread. I always hope there's two tiers to give people choices if they want the premium system. I mean MS sold a 150 controller! 3 times more money then their non-elite, and guess what it sold! Some people will pay for premium and Xbox X will do just fine.
matrixman92
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The features alone are worth 100 more if you ask me.The price would be justified if they can show $100 difference, if DF do a comparison with Pro and the difference is minor which I imagine will depend on game by game basis then the "DOA" comments may hold true.
Sony struggled with the Pro Vs PS4
MS has to show a $100 difference between the Pro Vs XOX
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Netflix.
I mean honestly, if MS is truly sticking with "this is a premium box for consumers looking to pay a premium to play everything in 4K, watch everything in 4K, etc." then cool. There is certainly a niche audience that will upgrade for those reasons, and I'm happy that MS is providing an OPTION for those consumers. After all, none of us are forced to upgrade, buy new hardware, or even acknowledge the XB1X's existence at all, really.
But it seems to me like their messaging is a mess thus far.
I feel like they're saying "oh, this is just for the 1% of the super duper elite console players" so that they can set up an "oh, wow! this truly exceeded sales expectations!" moment later. That's what it really honestly feels like.
matrixman92
Member
what about it?
that's also in the Slim available for $200.... or if you want a high quality UHD player you'd get the Oppo
While I may be looking for that feature, I doubt that's a big selling point for most consumers. I'm not gonna buy it for $499. Once(and if) it hits $399, then it becomes much more appealing.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
That did not help the PS3 and that was actually New tech
Plus then it fulls back to is it worth it over the XOS.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
Maybe you should calm down.
Brand value has a huge play in it.
Not as linear as you make it sound.
Boss Man
Member
I like it a lot from a tech/value perspective. There just aren't any games that I'm excited enough for to buy a console. Really wish they would have announced a new Halo or Fable or something to show it off. Even if a big third party game like TESVI was announced I would maybe be more interested.
It's impressive that it seems to run everything at 4K. I do have a 4K TV and the thought of taking advantage of it more is nice.
It's just...there aren't any games that I'm looking forward to.
It's impressive that it seems to run everything at 4K. I do have a 4K TV and the thought of taking advantage of it more is nice.
It's just...there aren't any games that I'm looking forward to.
If that's the answer, there's a problem.
Microsoft needs to show people visuals that shows the reason for a $100 difference in the One X and Pro. They haven't yet.
VincentMatts
Member
What if those features arent applied (are not enhanced) to the games that sony have locked up in some way like Destiny2, Battlefront2, COD WW2, etc?
How do those features look now? Still worth 100$ more?
aygomyownroad
Member
I was hyped for this. But after seeing the lack of games for yet another e3 has killed all interest.
They are doing wonders with backwards compatibility, and yes 4K textures and games running better are a big pull to buy another Xbox One, but I would rather put my money into a PS4 PRO.
A new console is great. But Microsoft have nothing to back it up.
PS4 pro has amazing exclusive games, with Horizon and Wipeout looking stunning (the only two I've seen run on it). I expect third party games to look nicer on the XBOX (X box One X) but they have invested nothing into strong first party games.
Also the price. I expected high but £450? With the Pro now at £350 it's disaster. I understand having to make a profit but this is going to be a disaster.
They are doing wonders with backwards compatibility, and yes 4K textures and games running better are a big pull to buy another Xbox One, but I would rather put my money into a PS4 PRO.
A new console is great. But Microsoft have nothing to back it up.
PS4 pro has amazing exclusive games, with Horizon and Wipeout looking stunning (the only two I've seen run on it). I expect third party games to look nicer on the XBOX (X box One X) but they have invested nothing into strong first party games.
Also the price. I expected high but £450? With the Pro now at £350 it's disaster. I understand having to make a profit but this is going to be a disaster.
That's what I've been trying to say for 24 hours now: if those big third party games aren't taking advantage of the power, what is the point?
And I mean, we already know Destiny 2 won't.
Haha, this was great and I totally agree.
MaximusPayne
Member
I agree, I have a much more powerful computer, with a 1080ti, i7 and 32 GBs of RAM, and of course it is much more powerful, but it cost me more than twice to build, actually closer to triple. And even though I love my PC, in my opinion, just my opinion, let us not start a war on this, it is far from as smooth and easy as plying on a console. The X is very impressive amd it is worth every cent, those Lucky to be in the ecosystem of Windows 10 with a powerful PC already have a more powerful Xbox, but that is not everybody. Some people will love having the option of having an X.
That being said, I don't think this console will set the world on fire. Actually, the messaging from Microsoft hasn't been that they want to sell a lot of consoles, they always referred to this console as a Premium product for enthusiasts. And if your a Gamer, who doesn't have a powerful PC, loves playing games in the highest fidelity, cares for some of their exclusives or wants to play third parties in all their glory and you don't care about brand or are loyal to any company, because reasons,and you can afford it, then you will buy it. Off course, this is a small group, and that is way they keep implying that the bulk will be the One S. So yeah, awesome console, and no, it won't be the tide Turner of Xbox this gen, at least I don't think so, but it can definitely help if people that have one are very satisfied and good games come and look great on it.
On an end note, it can be depressing when reading this forum just how much time we spend trying to justify our products by "trolling" and "hating" instead of enjoying the technology and the games. There will always be a product you prefer, and depending on the generation one has better things than the other, but we should never stop appreciating games and consoles in general of all brands. The beauty is we buy the one we want most.
The problem with Xbox more than any of the other companies or products people insist on comparing higher tier models to, is that they already have an issue with regional popularity.
This thing absolutely is DOA in Europe and I don't even think that's up for debate. The UK is an incredibly price conscious market where the X is going to be the most expensive system for a company already losing a battle against Sony, and with the Switch capturing more attention amongst casuals and younger audiences.
That just leaves America. What's it going to do there at $100 more than the competition?
This thing absolutely is DOA in Europe and I don't even think that's up for debate. The UK is an incredibly price conscious market where the X is going to be the most expensive system for a company already losing a battle against Sony, and with the Switch capturing more attention amongst casuals and younger audiences.
That just leaves America. What's it going to do there at $100 more than the competition?
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
I think the issue is compounded when Sony announces a PS4Pro price drop. Whether now, through bundling, or at BF / Christmas. I'll probably move to a Pro then myself.
A PS4 Pro at $300 looks incredible in comparison. Especially if the visual gap isn't a huge chasm...
A PS4 Pro at $300 looks incredible in comparison. Especially if the visual gap isn't a huge chasm...
Boss Man
Member
I own a PS4 Pro and not sure how anyone could say it makes more sense from a value perspective. It barely does anything at real 4K - just some older and smaller games and not even 4K blurays.
$100 more and it looks like 4K is going to be the standard on Xbox X for everything that's released. Plus you get a 4K bluray player which is worth $100 by itself.
There's nothing coming out first party or third party that makes me want to go through the hassle of selling my Pro and buying an Xbox X, but if I had neither the Xbox X makes a lot more sense if you own a 4K TV.
$100 more and it looks like 4K is going to be the standard on Xbox X for everything that's released. Plus you get a 4K bluray player which is worth $100 by itself.
There's nothing coming out first party or third party that makes me want to go through the hassle of selling my Pro and buying an Xbox X, but if I had neither the Xbox X makes a lot more sense if you own a 4K TV.
The price would be justified if they can show $100 difference, if DF do a comparison with Pro and the difference is minor which I imagine will depend on game by game basis then the "DOA" comments may hold true.
Sony struggled with the Pro Vs PS4
MS has to show a $100 difference between the Pro Vs XOX
If you got a 1080p TV, probably ain't no $100 difference. A PS4 Pro Enhanced game and an Xbox One X Enhanced game are going to look virtually identical to the naked eye on 1080p screens. If you have a 4K set, spending the extra $100 for a One X will be easier to justify.
What Microsoft needs is some more first party showcase titles to go along with Forza 7. Most of the titles they showed at their conference are going to be seen running beautifully on Playstations before the One X comes out. Sony has some gorgeous first party games on the way (TLOU2, UC:LL, Spider-Man, GoW, Days Gone, etc.) and the One X needs to counter that with some first party titles that look good on the launch Xbox One and incredible on Xbox One X.
Agreed completely. The hype was out of control. When I tried to point that out to people and that Microsoft was doing a bad job at keeping expectations in check in their marketing, I got cursed out of the thread, literally.
That was my reasoning all along...if you're gonna price yourself out of the market, why not go all in for your hardcore base??
Either an Xbox Pro for $399 or a true next gen machine with Zen for $599/$699.
There's something fishy here..maybe the developers just wouldn't support a machine like this, maybe they feared the backlash of the Xbox one owners, so they added other premium features like the UHD player and the cooling system to go with the premium message, leaving the perfomance closer to a $399 machine
To be fair the guy that I quoted was insulting some other dude for no reason...but hey thanks anyway
Norse
Member
Nicely done. Agree with you.
I'll be getting a 1X as soon as I can. It's 100$ more than a ps4pro and I bet those that own a pro would gladly give $100 right now for UHD blue ray, and an additional 2 tflops of graphical power.
If you're a 1S owner, you can sell it to cut the cost of your new 1X. Just the fps gain on your games is worth it. No more slowdowns in busy scenes.
Oh, I noticed 1X vents are on sides and back....still going to be able to get a vertical stand?
Okami Haundo
Member
Goddamnit... The more I think about it, I'm starting to find ways that I can still afford to get the One X this year. I'm weak.
I think neither make sense when in 3 years we will be getting proper next gen machines which won't be chained to the current gen 😂
Real 4K is a measurement and doesn't necessarily manifest itself in a noticeable difference. even Digital foundry points out they are hard pressed to actually tell the difference between checkered board 4k and native 4k in normal viewing conditions. There are better things to do with power than chase native 4K imo. I hope that we see other, and more tangible differences.
fataliteter
Member
Having different pricing tiers that appeal to a range of consumers is not exactly unprecedented. I would be happy to have several options, so that I could pick the console that gives me the power I want, for the price I want to pay.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Well said.