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[NullPointer]

So they buy a PS4 (because they wanted the best graphics), then they bought a PS4 Pro (because they again wanted the best graphics) and now they will buy into the Xbox ecosystem? For what exactly?

Maybe they didn't buy a PS4 Pro. Maybe they have both an Xbox and a PS4 and want the best multiplatform performance. Maybe they're all in on Xbox and want the best performance. Maybe they have a 4K or atmos setup and want to showcase it.

I get the complaints about exclusives on the Xbox, its a good point. But multiplatform titles make up the majority of games available on a console, and the X should provide a solid benefit.

 

[MaximusPayne]

- If you care so much about multi-platform graphics, you already have a nice PC

A LOT of people I know went with the OG PS4 because of the better graphics.

 

[RoKKeR]

Pete Hines on the live show now, sounds like their two big games this year will get X enhancements. Wolfenstein is going to look incredible.

 

[gamz]

Xbox One X suffers because it's neither a mid gen console nor a next-gen one...

It's basically next-gen hardware with current gen software.

So here's the deal

- It's too powerful to be mid-gen and because of that it's expensive
- That power cannot be used fully because everything has to run on the previous model

So in the end I'm wondering how much market this product actually has:

- If you care so much about multi-platform graphics, you already have a nice PC

- If you want a good console at a good price PS4 Slim/Pro and Xbox One S are far better choices, you can get TWO for the same price of Xbone X. Even Switch is better as a secondary console.

- PS4 has TRUE exclusives

I care about graphics but don't want to bother with a PC. I just want a console that is better then my current Bone. Thus, I'm buying an X.

Some people are way overthinking it. The Pro and X are better versions of their OG. It's an upgrade. I don't know why people don't get this?

No reason to try to explain what you don't have interest in. Stick with a PS4 or Xbox One S....Or Switch.

I think posts like this are people to talk themselves out of not wanting it or something?

 

[iceatcs]

I think it is not too bad price for 4K gaming for someone doesn't have much PC budget. it is a very value worth for truer 4K gaming support.
But Nov is a bit too long time.

 

[GermanZepp]

I'm confused on why people are arguing? The price? If you don't wanna pay 500... Then pay 250 for a 1s. If you want better graphics, pay 500 for it. You play the same god damn games.

If I build a PC, I can get a 1060.. or a 1080 ti. There is a price increase if I want better graphics. WTF is wrong with you guys? You're gamers on a game forum and you're arguing as if you don't have a God damn clue on how this works.

If you wanted something with the same price and power as a PS4 pro, then buy a fucking pro... Sony has better exclusives anyways. If you want to play the same games as your friends then buy an Xbox one s, if you want better, buy an Xbox one x.

People have lost their minds, if you think 499 is a bad/wrong price then I'll tell you, and I mean this with respect, you're igorant. You don't understand how any of this works and you're acting like a pissy entitled brat.

iPhone, Samsung, Roku, cars, TV's, ect all have teirs... And guess what? Apple doesn't give a fuck if their top teir is more expensive than Samsung's top, or Samsung doesn't give a damn if theirs is higher than Vizio.

About the PC crowd in here giving us their bullshit break down on how they can build a better pc for the same price, and as someone who builds PC's I'll tell you that you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

Additionally, some people dont care for bullshit driver installs and windows and learning programs and weird errors and oh sometimes this hardware does this, or works better with this, and this program interferes with your ad Ware and sometimes you gotta turn this off before you turn that on and blah blah blah.

Further, if you have someone build your PC for you with the cost of an Xbox one x... This may be a shock to you, but you have to pay for fucking labor, testing, ect. Not everyone wants to learn to build.

End rant, God damnit some people just gotta rain on everyone's parade with their bullshit. There is no reason for the PC crowd to even be in this thread other than trolling.

Too much sense!!

Abandon thread!!

Spoiler

 

[rokkerkory]

I'm confused on why people are arguing? The price? If you don't wanna pay 500... Then pay 250 for a 1s. If you want better graphics, pay 500 for it. You play the same god damn games.

If I build a PC, I can get a 1060.. or a 1080 ti. There is a price increase if I want better graphics. WTF is wrong with you guys? You're gamers on a game forum and you're arguing as if you don't have a God damn clue on how this works.

If you wanted something with the same price and power as a PS4 pro, then buy a fucking pro... Sony has better exclusives anyways. If you want to play the same games as your friends then buy an Xbox one s, if you want better, buy an Xbox one x.

People have lost their minds, if you think 499 is a bad/wrong price then I'll tell you, and I mean this with respect, you're igorant. You don't understand how any of this works and you're acting like a pissy entitled brat.

iPhone, Samsung, Roku, cars, TV's, ect all have teirs... And guess what? Apple doesn't give a fuck if their top teir is more expensive than Samsung's top, or Samsung doesn't give a damn if theirs is higher than Vizio.

About the PC crowd in here giving us their bullshit break down on how they can build a better pc for the same price, and as someone who builds PC's I'll tell you that you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

Additionally, some people dont care for bullshit driver installs and windows and learning programs and weird errors and oh sometimes this hardware does this, or works better with this, and this program interferes with your ad Ware and sometimes you gotta turn this off before you turn that on and blah blah blah.

Further, if you have someone build your PC for you with the cost of an Xbox one x... This may be a shock to you, but you have to pay for fucking labor, testing, ect. Not everyone wants to learn to build.

End rant, God damnit some people just gotta rain on everyone's parade with their bullshit. There is no reason for the PC crowd to even be in this thread other than trolling.

Great job breaking it down. Agree on most of your points.

For me it's not about being able to afford $500, it was more about the value I am getting at $500 without some more killer games. I know those will come in time so will have to hold onto my S a bit longer.

 

[darkstar0155]

The only possible audience seems to be existing Xbox fans with tons on disposable income, but based on current XB1 sales, that seems to be an audience getting smaller and smaller. If this isn't meant to be a big ticket selling item, but a complement to the existing X1S then why spend all this marketing time on it? It feels like everything I've heard recently from MS has been about Scorpio, why waste our time if you don't expect us to want it?

This is my big curiosity. If its supposed to be niche for the enthusiast only (which going by the price and messaging this seems to be the case), why have they spent all this marketing time on it like you said? Like, a LOT of marketing time. They want it to be more than a niche product, but they have priced themselves out of being anything more than niche.

Decent price for what you get from what I see, but not cheap enough to sell enough to get outside of the niche/enthusiast market, thus meaning less devs will take time to take advantage of the hardware difference. My guess, is most game devs will use the PS4Pas the benchmark for the elite systems, and the XBX will mostly get the PS4P version with a better frame rate and some other small bells and whistles. I doubt devs will spend much time really taking advantage of it.

 

[Okami Haundo]

Hi! Yes, I created a thread yesterday about it, and indeed vertical standing is perfectly possible. An user shared a photo with the holes to place the dock.

Awesome! Thanks for the info! That more or less seals the deal for me. I don't see any reason to not sell my One S and grab the One X.

 

[joecanada]

A LOT of people I know went with the OG PS4 because of the better graphics.

But most still probably went for the cheaper price at the time. then it was "better graphics for the same money".

still I'm interested to see how many are wanting the latest and bestest .

 

[OrbitalBeard]

A LOT of people I know went with the OG PS4 because of the better graphics.

I mean, it was kind of a no-brainer at the time. More powerful box + $100 cheaper.

 

[MaximusPayne]

But most still probably went for the cheaper price at the time. then it was "better graphics for the same money".

still I'm interested to see how many are wanting the latest and bestest .

Yes, the cheaper price was a benefit, also. The One had to include a Kinect which was a fail on all counts. At least they learned their lesson on that. Could you imagine if Phil walked out and gave a $599 price with a an included revised/stripped Elite controller and that was the only way you could get a X1X. Yeah. We wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

 

[spekkeh]

I know but isn't it sad? Japanese titles on Xbox were most of time awesome for me. Damn, Jet Set Radio Future, Otogi, Dead or Alive 3, Panzer Dragon Orta, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Metal Wolf Chaos... etc, I loved all this "Dreamcast vibe" coming from this. After the cancelation of Scalebound I was expecting something to replace it.

But yeah I still love Xbox but those games were all so important to me that it made me hope.

I can't get angry at them for that though, all the Japanese game they ever had on Xbox bombed... And I mean, on this gen, all their exclusives, Japanese or not, are bombing. Ryse, ReCore, D4, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, hell even Halo didn't do so great.
Can't blame them to not insist too much with Japanese games or big AAA exclusives in general, but I can't help it, I'm disappointed.

They should've commissioned a new Ninja Gaiden. Now there was a unique Japanese game with western popularity.

 

[The Futurist]

Still with all this PC talk...

These guys never learn.

Many people don't want to play on PC. They want to play with a console and have the ease that comes with it.

You're kidding yourself if you think the average gamer cares about exclusives. There is no question that Sony is killing Microsoft when it comes to exclusives. That's why I have a PS4 Pro.

I also have a PC with a 7700k and a 1080Ti.

This cross buy future is exactly what I want because I enjoy single player games on my PC and then play multiplayer with my friends with the best possible experience.

No more crying about xbox versions being crippled. No more seeing the Sony fans raise a toast and pat themselves on the back after every single digital foundry head to head.

There were countless people who rallied behind the power of the PS4 over the Xbox. They claimed they wanted the best experience for third party games. The best place to play COD or Battlefield, or the countless majority of games that are cross platform.

Their opinions started shifting the day the scorpio was announced. Oh, those differences are minor and they don't really matter. They are just hypocrites now.

Choosing sides when it comes to a hobby like this if for kids and sometimes when you're not fortunate enough to be able to have every console.

Get a PS4 Pro for exclusives. No doubt. But the One X is what you get if you care at all about multiplatform games. That's where they will look and play best.

 

[DjRalford]

I though Xbox x was designed to automatically improve current games? Sounded like he said developers were hard at work to provide free updates to take advantage of the extra power.

So basically same as pro boost mode off the bat with custom optimisation through patching?

 

[darkstar0155]

I mean, it was kind of a no-brainer at the time. More powerful box + $100 cheaper.

Yeah, PS4 killed for multiple reasons out of the gate. It was more powerful, cheaper, didn't have all the bad marketing with the no used games etc stuff pre-launch, didn't have all the TV TV TV/KINECT marketing that turned a lot of people off, along with the "cloud" talk that also got bad word of mouth, and that's not counting sony's stellar 1st party lineup.

Anyone saying PS4 sold more just because it was stronger aren't telling the entire story. Not once before has the "strongest" system sold the most, or at least not until said system was also the cheapest.

 

[jond76]

Great job breaking it down. Agree on most of your points.

For me it's not about being able to afford $500, it was more about the value I am getting at $500 without some more killer games. I know those will come in time so will have to hold onto my S a bit longer.

I still have my launch Xbox One, so there's a lot of appeal for me. The X will ramp up a large portion of my games and give me the best platform for all future games, exclusive or otherwise. I don't game on PC so I'm their target audience.

 

[Dyson Industries]

No more crying about xbox versions being crippled. No more seeing the Sony fans raise a toast and pat themselves on the back after every single digital foundry head to head.

And now we come to the crux of your complaint - and why the Scorpio's price point is being rightfully clowned. Glad I updated my PC last weekend.

 

[Swass]

Fellow PS4 Pro owners in this thread, would you have paid an additional $100 for your Pro if it had 4K BD? I would have.

No, I have a 1S and have never used it for playing a UHD bluray..

 

[Mobius 1]

I'm curious, if you're a PC gamer, is there any reason to get the X? Im assuming the Xbox games now are going to be available on PC as well moving forward? Or will there still be console exclusives?

Sure. For convenience, since I don't have a PC on my living room – streaming from my PC isn't always a good option. For the hardware porn, because I'm an enthusiast. For curiosity, because I want to see what Microsoft does with it, as I did with Sony's effort. And Nintendo's.

These are not esoteric reasons or critical choices, it's a plastic box with silicon components inside that plays video games. I'm always amazed at threads like this about the extreme ends of the spectrum of people coming up with reasons for and against new hardware.

 

[EvB]

Glad I updated my PC last weekend.

KB7363993 is my favourite update this year!

 

[DjRalford]

Fellow PS4 Pro owners in this thread, would you have paid an additional $100 for your Pro if it had 4K BD? I would have.

Nah, originally I was salty at no 4k drive but a dedicated 4k bluray player will always have the best IQ, and if your going for 4k it may as well be the best.

 

[MisterXDTV]

A LOT of people I know went with the OG PS4 because of the better graphics.

But OG PS4 was $100 cheaper too

 

[therealbigrich]

- If you care so much about multi-platform graphics, you already have a nice PC

that's not true for everyone

 

[Lady Gaia]

I'm confused on why people are arguing? The price? If you don't wanna pay 500... Then pay 250 for a 1s. If you want better graphics, pay 500 for it. You play the same god damn games.

All absolutely true and indeed there's a lot of hyperbole in this thread. Like essentially every thread on the forum.

People have lost their minds, if you think 499 is a bad/wrong price then I'll tell you, and I mean this with respect, you're igorant. You don't understand how any of this works and you're acting like a pissy entitled brat.

You're painting with an awfully broad brush there. Calling anyone who dares to disagree with you ignorant and a pissy entitled brat won't change anyone's mind. It's nothing remotely resembling civilized discourse.

I agree 100% that it's absolutely driven by the specs of the product they chose to produce, so in that sense I agree that there's no way it was going to be $399 or less as some were hoping. On the other hand, I agree with those who suspect that aiming for that price point knowing what they do about their software pipeline is a missed opportunity to alter market dynamics this generation.

We're starting to see the impact of a dominant player: third party titles that forego an Xbox One release altogether for valid economic reasons, and a disparate investment from first parties influenced by their ability to justify the expense. This isn't just about whether an individual can afford a console, but about whether the console will be successful enough to live up to its potential. So if this product doesn't meaningfully change that situation, then it's not unreasonable to characterize it as a mistake.

 

[ALLseeingEYE]

Hes technically right, however, what hes completely wrong about is that on PC, most (if not all) new PC games will take advantage of the hardware you have. With Xbox X, not all my games will be 'enhanced'. Even some of the new games.

I will play Halo5, BF1, Destiny2 and Battlefront 2 as an example. Not ONE of these games are in the 'enhanced' list. Not one. Does that happen on PC, that you go out and buy a game that wont fully take advantage of the PC hardware you have? No, it doesnt.

Fact of the matter is a lot of the 'enhancements' will depend on the dev, and that sucks. If im gonna pay more, i want the games im gonna play to be enhanced. Sure H5 and BF1 arent new new but theres no reason for BF2, destiny2 and CODWW2 to not have full enhanced support and yet nothing is even mentioned.

Dude, what are you even spouting off about? Yeah, maybe there is no announcement for BF1 or Halo 5 (yet), but there is no indication that new games won't have support. Those lists are about old titles getting enhanced, not new titles supporting Scorpio. I'm quite sure every new title has to support X1X by mandate, simply by being on Xbox One. I've already even seen talk about BFII and Destiny 2 supporting Scorpio on this very forum. If you honestly think COD won't support X1X, you are fooling yourself. How easy would it be for them to port over features from the PC version? They've even already made a Windows store version of Infinite Warfare.

Also, every X1 and Backwards compatible title has been confirmed to see improvements, including better AF, faster loading times, and no doubt more rock solid framerate. Halo 5 for example will immediately at least look and run better on X1X.

None of these are at the level of PC customization or guaranteed improvements, especially for older titles, but X1X is doing a very good job with what it has, and it's simplified plug and play style will likely appeal to a lot of people who'd rather not spend time tinkering, and have a more limited budget. When having to choose between a $499 box or a $1200 PC (if that is even possible), it may be an easy choice for many to side with the X1X.

It's not as if $499 is even an insane amount of money. It's $100 more than ideal console price, but that price will absolutely drop over time. It may even drop quicker than we think, especially if Sony forces MS' hand with a price drop of their own.

 

[panda-zebra]

I though Xbox x was designed to automatically improve current games? Sounded like he said developers were hard at work to provide free updates to take advantage of the extra power.

So basically same as pro boost mode off the bat with custom optimisation through patching?

Yes.

It will improve anything with fluctuating frame rates and anything with dynamic resolution, up to whatever that is capped at (most likely 1080P).

For 4K, better textures, etc., games will require patching.

 

[Thorrgal]

https://technology.ihs.com/592907?hootPostID=9235e5ca522d948c1524b8763341cee8

Wow 10%...harsh

 

[MisterXDTV]

I care about graphics but don't want to bother with a PC. I just want a console that is better then my current Bone. Thus, I'm buying an X.

That's fine, but remember, you are basically paying (without trades) $1000 in 4 years to play the same games.

You are basically paying the "upgraded Xbone" like a next-gen console.

 

[GeordieMark]

That's fine, but remember, you are basically paying (without trades) $1000 in 4 years to play the same games.

You are basically paying the "upgraded Xbone" like a next-gen console.

So what? Some people have the money and want to spend it. I probably spend the same on gpus in the same timescale.

 

[Delryk]

That's fine, but remember, you are basically paying (without trades) $1000 in 4 years to play the same games.

You are basically paying the "upgraded Xbone" like a next-gen console.

and that X1X will last another 4-6 years most likely. So you're looking at a 1k cycle for 10 years. 100/year avg.

 

[Swass]

people who want to use there atmos systems

If you are hooking up to a 4k height enabled (DTS:X, Atmos Auro) amplifier then you just send sound over HDMI.. no sound card needed.

 

[Kickz]

A LOT of people I know went with the OG PS4 because of the better graphics.

Yup, and now the X is king of the graphics hill.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Maybe they didn't buy a PS4 Pro. Maybe they have both an Xbox and a PS4 and want the best multiplatform performance. Maybe they're all in on Xbox and want the best performance. Maybe they have a 4K or atmos setup and want to showcase it.

I get the complaints about exclusives on the Xbox, its a good point. But multiplatform titles make up the majority of games available on a console, and the X should provide a solid benefit.

Fair point but why go to the X when it the PS4 Pro comes close on the multiplats And has the far superior exclusives?

 

[ALLseeingEYE]

Wow 10%...harsh

That doesn't seem realistic to me. Considering how poorly Sony marketed and communicated PS4 Pro, and that they still scored 20% of PS4 sales with the pro, I could easily see X1X doing 20% or even a bit higher this christmas. MS seems to be positioning it a lot more like a new console launch, and properly marketing it. Core gamers, as they point out, will also probably eat up initial launch supplies.

 

[MisterXDTV]

and that X1X will last another 4-6 years most likely. So you're looking at a 1k cycle for 10 years. 100/year avg.

Are we sure X1X will last 4-6 years? What happens when PS5 launches?

 

[Moral Panic]

Maybe they didn't buy a PS4 Pro. Maybe they have both an Xbox and a PS4 and want the best multiplatform performance. Maybe they're all in on Xbox and want the best performance. Maybe they have a 4K or atmos setup and want to showcase it.

I get the complaints about exclusives on the Xbox, its a good point. But multiplatform titles make up the majority of games available on a console, and the X should provide a solid benefit.

I just can't see this being a huge group of people, who care enough about graphics to drop $500 but not enough to have gotten a PS4Pro a year ago or game on PC. I don't agree with MS's assessment of the gaming landscape. I was hoping that XBX would come with a raft of exclusive software that would showcase why I should get the system.

Multiplatform games make up the majority but if you can get X top tier games or X + Y top tier games, why would you choose the first option? I really don't see "slightly better graphics" cutting it tbh. But I've been wrong before.

 

[ch4fx_]

Yup, and now the X is king of the graphics hill.

Sony is so fucked!

 

[gamz]

That's fine, but remember, you are basically paying (without trades) $1000 in 4 years to play the same games.

You are basically paying the "upgraded Xbone" like a next-gen console.

And? 1000 for what 6-7 years of gaming is a bargain.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Fair point but why go to the X when it the PS4 Pro comes close on the multiplats And has the far superior exclusives?

BINGO

 

[gamz]

Are we sure X1X will last 4-6 years? What happens when PS5 launches?

I think it will. The one s will be phased out with the new Xbox comes in 2-3 years or whatever...

don't care about the PS5 launch.

 

[MaximusPayne]

Fair point but why go to the X when it the PS4 Pro comes close on the multiplats And has the far superior exclusives?

Because the X1 got shat all over by OG PS4 enthusiast on the graphics comparisons. The question is how much better will native 4k look than upscaled 1440p in gamer's eyes.

 

[00ich]

Wow 10%...harsh

Those predictions have been widely wrong in the past, but at 10% Xbox market share the content upgrades will not come naturally.

Because the X1 got shat all over by OG PS4 enthusiast on the graphics comparisons. The question is how much better will native 4k look than upscaled 1440p in gamer's eyes.

Frostbyte and Ubisoft AAA will not run at native 4k if the PS4 Pro resolutions are any indication and they should be.

 

[therealbigrich]

Wow 10%...harsh

Seems expected with the X being double the price

 

[panda-zebra]

and that X1X will last another 4-6 years most likely. So you're looking at a 1k cycle for 10 years. 100/year avg.

Sorry, Jaguar isn't bringing us the games in 2021-2023, we're already seeing titles such as Gears 4 and Crackdown 3 with 30fps compromises for certain modes at 4K.

New gen, new hardware, far better CPUs.

 

[GeordieMark]

Are we sure X1X will last 4-6 years? What happens when PS5 launches?

What happens when the XBox 2 launches?

 

[Kickz]

Sony is so fucked!

Informative

 

[Scotch]

Some shops in the Netherlands are selling the PS4 Pro for as low as €350. This thing is DOA.

 

[Smokey]

I know but isn't it sad? Japanese titles on Xbox were most of time awesome for me. Damn, Jet Set Radio Future, Otogi, Dead or Alive 3, Panzer Dragon Orta, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Metal Wolf Chaos... etc, I loved all this "Dreamcast vibe" coming from this. After the cancelation of Scalebound I was expecting something to replace it.

But yeah I still love Xbox but those games were all so important to me that it made me hope.

I can't get angry at them for that though, all the Japanese game they ever had on Xbox bombed... And I mean, on this gen, all their exclusives, Japanese or not, are bombing. Ryse, ReCore, D4, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, hell even Halo didn't do so great.
Can't blame them to not insist too much with Japanese games or big AAA exclusives in general, but I can't help it, I'm disappointed.

Most of those people of that era are gone. The concept of X1 back at the reveal wasn't games. It was everything else and games were third behind even Kinect. They completely misread the market. Everything was effected by this "vision" they had, including the weak power of the system. Actually some of the ideas they had were good, but Mattrick was the WOAT. Once he removed himself, there's only so much new management can do. X1 is MS' PS3 moment. Just like Sony, they're going to have to wait until the next gen for a full on reboot.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Because the X1 got shat all over by OG PS4 enthusiast on the graphics comparisons. The question is how much better will native 4k look than upscaled 1440p in gamer's eyes.

And that's the mistake:

PS4 didn't win just because of graphics, but because of:

- Lower Price
- No DRM
- far more and better exclusives

Graphics were the icing on the cake. You were getting a more powerful machine for $100 less while releasing at the same time.

X comes out a full year after PS4 PRO for $100 more, it's not the same thing