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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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I think it will be a 4 core 8 thread Zen if they go with a Zen. The 8 core 16 thread zen is just a pipe dream in a APU. I honestly wish they would ditch the APU for this revision so they can really push the limits.
Dee Dah Dave
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I believe the comment was "8 CPU cores", was it not?
I wonder if it's possible they have a 4 core Jaguar for the OS along with a 4 core Zen (or other) dedicated to games. That would save a bit of die space at least. I don't know if it would be viable or worth messing about like that though.
My moneys still on Jaguar for now though as I think they might have let it slip by now if they had a better CPU than the Neo.
I wonder if it's possible they have a 4 core Jaguar for the OS along with a 4 core Zen (or other) dedicated to games. That would save a bit of die space at least. I don't know if it would be viable or worth messing about like that though.
My moneys still on Jaguar for now though as I think they might have let it slip by now if they had a better CPU than the Neo.
Collateral22
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The extra GPU power should be good for 4k in most games though at decent settings. It's the FPS that will be the same mostly.
disco potato
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So we're set on ZEN? What happened to AMD saying no custom ZEN configs, aka consoles, til 2018?
Because it probably costs more for AMD to keep manufacturing old ass, inefficient, outdated designs? It's cheaper to mass manufacture current tech than old one.
Phil tweeted that they have more to say in the Fall. Might not be Scorpio related but my guess they were waiting to see what Sony would say about Neo.
In regards to another conference this year
It's been revealed. Phil is going to Australia and will be the keynote speaker at the EB Expo at the end of the month. Maybe we will get more Scorpio info then.
In regards to another conference this year
It's been revealed. Phil is going to Australia and will be the keynote speaker at the EB Expo at the end of the month. Maybe we will get more Scorpio info then.
They probably have something they want to say/show a week before the Pro launches.
Maximilian Kolbe
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That make sense, just wonder how big it is.
Personally i think media briefing seems too much, maybe they can think about make a recorded show just like Nintendo Direct.
I don't know, whatever it is has to be unconventional, outside of the box thinking. Saying they got this beast machine that pwns the Pro won't do jack.
Maybe they will just have a list with things that fans have been dissapointed about the Pro and say how they will fix it. Reiterate developers will have the choice to offer 4K with medium graphics or 1080p with ultra, talk about how they're working with developers to release patches for all the popular games, maybe bring OG Xbox back compat, drop more Xbox 360 titles...etc.
Oh actually they will probably talk about VR support, Oculus/Vive support, show Fallout 4 VR, Forza Motorsport 7 maybe?
Either way, whatever it is has to be more unexpected, they can't just make it a dick measuring contest for specs.
Edit: Holy shit maybe tease Halo 3 Anniversary.
WITH VR SUPPORT TOO. FUCKING HALO VR all over my face.
Xenoflare
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the RX 480 can do 5.8TF
The RX 480 does 5.5 TF at stock 1200 MHz or so, which apparently is too high of a clock for consoles. It will probably be the successor/revision of the RX 480 that costs similarly but does 6 TF at a lower clock.
So theoretically a 1070 or 1080 should surpass that?
Yea, RX 480 v2 (or RX 570/580) will probably be around a 1060.
potatohead
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The comment about BC and forward compatible makes me thing Xbox is going to go to every 2 year or every 3 year hardware refreshes. And kind of cut out generations possibly.
Gonna be interesting if they do that. That way they kind of merge further with Windows and PC as a gaming platform, as they've started to try to do a lot more lately.
Project Scorpio being the real beginning for this, possibly?
Gonna be interesting if they do that. That way they kind of merge further with Windows and PC as a gaming platform, as they've started to try to do a lot more lately.
Project Scorpio being the real beginning for this, possibly?
They do because of the VR support. There is no 3rd party VR solution and eco system that would work on a CAT CPU. Now if MS drops the VR from its PR then I will take that as they can't make the Zen work.
It would be 8 virtual cores which if a Zen would be more than enough.
No Xbox and PS new machines will come around when a new node Shrink is mature enough to support a large APU. It is getting very difficult with each passing node shrink. I doubt we see any more new machines before fall 2019 and could be late as fall 2021 if foundries skip right to 7nm.
Forever Changes
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They will blow it away.
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So they're going to talk more about Scorpio soon?
I have got a question What is stopping the Xbox Scorpio from having all the features of a PC with a walled garden store front? Could the Scorpio, in theory, be universally backwards compatible with all games released on pc, have the ability to enable modding and the ability to run games at various graphical settings?
So in other words why cant the Scorpio or even the bone be a steambox minus steam.
So in other words why cant the Scorpio or even the bone be a steambox minus steam.
Theonik
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A 1060 should surpass that. By the time the Scorpio is out it will be old hat.
You don't need Zen to do VR. MS can advertise whatever but there is nothing they can do if there is no Zen chip suitable for a 6TF APU.
Virtual cores are also not the solution. Don't be ridiculous. If we are putting this much weight on MS touting VR the same should be done on 8 core.
I'm excited for Witcher 3 by far.
The Xbox does run Windows 10, but I don't think you'll see PC compatibility outside of things that have been packaged in UWP
anothertech
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Really hoping they go with zen.
Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they were still using 8core jaguars though.
Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they were still using 8core jaguars though.
Bits N Pieces
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Said it in another thread that I dont think we see or hear from Scorpio until about April/May of next year with a games blowout to follow at E3.
Would obviously love to hear more about their plans sooner but I don't think that makes business sense.
Would obviously love to hear more about their plans sooner but I don't think that makes business sense.
I agree, if they address all the points that seemed to have disappointed fans with Pro, they would have a win there.
Heaven Shard
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Has it been said if they'll make Scorpio exclusive games or not?
dragonelite
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That was something i was also thinking about. Can AMD make a big little CPU where the Zen cores do the big part of the calculations and Jaguar cores do the background calculations.
Flintty
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This would pretty much seal the deal for me. I'm not currently thinking about upgrading (outside of a crazy cheap entry price) but VR support with Halo VR I'd be day one. Day fucking one.
My kids would go mental for VR Minecraft too.
SlipperyFishes
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Only VR
Microsoft said no except something like VR.
I think you'll see the same games but Scorpio might have a better feature aside from eye candy, for example. Battlefield 64 vs 64 players on Scorpio but only 32 vs 32 on Xbox One. That's how they'll push the extra power beyond graphics without making completely exclusive games. I just see can't see them building Scorpio and not doing more with games. They'll make different aspects better to varying degrees.
Malcolm9
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That won't happen if they don't want to split their user base (online multiplayer advantages).
The underlying message is all games and peripherals will carry across. Eventually developers will opt to makes games for the higher end only. Most likely there will be a 2 year silent mandate to reflect this.
I dont know what's hard to understand about that.
Scorpio won't have an exclusive game, but it will have exclusive graphics over Xbox one.
Just like Pc, Medium, high and ultra.
.Halo 6 will look mind blowing on Scorpio, it will Ok on Xbox one. Same game, different graphic setting.
You dont hear developers' making exclusives for one graphic card right? It takes advantage of all graphic cards.
Scorpio won't have an exclusive game, but it will have exclusive graphics over Xbox one.
Just like Pc, Medium, high and ultra.
.Halo 6 will look mind blowing on Scorpio, it will Ok on Xbox one. Same game, different graphic setting.
You dont hear developers' making exclusives for one graphic card right? It takes advantage of all graphic cards.
So what 3rd party VR device and ECO system is out there that works with a CAT level CPU? Occulus and Vive both have a I5 as the lowest supported CPU. MS has made it clear they are not building their own VR device.
On virtual cores it makes complete sense since a 4 core 8 threads would keep easy compatibility with the XB1. A 8 core 16 thread CPU is complete over kill and would do them no good since games would still be built around 8 threads. The AMD raven ridge CPU would be the perfect choice for he Scorpio. It is already designed to be paired with Polaris they just need to swap memory controllers for GDDR5x.
Panajev2001a
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... at that is not even even near high end specs, but 2.20 TFLOPS faster already... consoles have a completely different thermal/power consumption and cost target than PC, beating them on raw specs is pointless. On the other side, when you can assure the semi custom SoC. endorse about huge volumes you can get some nifty customisation earlier that PC developers may. It initially need a they can brute force more stuff.
Still, if Scorpio were essnetially a full fledged UWP PC with compatibility down to the original Xbox and it could be used as a Windows PC, Visual Studio and all, then it could get some sales. It would become like another member of the Surface family with exclusive Xbox BC unless they port that to Windows 10 PC's as well.
What about VR games tho?
Cheeseman Battitude
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Not sure if announcing Scorpio so early was a good move. Sony and Microsoft have just updated their consoles within a couple of months of each other. Xbox One S is the same as the original albeit with HDR but PS4 Pro is a more considerable upgrade and gets its foot in the 4K door.
It was a good idea because people looking for actual 4K games know that Scorpio will actually be able to deliver that unlike the PS4 Pro (with a couple exceptions like TLOU).
Will it? I'm interested in Scorpio for everything but 4K. I kinda doubt it can do reliable 4K when PCs right now that are more powerful than what Scorpio will be, struggle.
Gives people the choice to hold off on PS4Pro for a short while with the knowlegde of something better is confirmed to be released next year. Seems like the right move.
Pretty much anything that runs in 1080P on XB1 should be able to push 4K on Scorpio, with some potential upgrades along the way. Personally I'd rather see 1080P pushed to the limits because I don't own a 4k TV but I suspect there will be quite a few native 4K titles on Scorpio. They probably won't match PC max settings at 4k, but it should deliver native 4k regardless.
MisterCTwo
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It still feels so weird to have incrementally updated systems like this when we're not even three years in. I went with PS4 as my lead console at launch but I'm going to pass on PS4 Pro and go with Scorpio as my next system.
Yeah. I might have a 4K set by the time Scorpio rolls out, but it won't be because it's 4K. I want HDR ( and please god OLED?)...4K is just becoming the base line now.
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