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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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Interesting.
MatrixMan.EXE
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That's the thing. Which begs the question as to what they'll use.
To be honest, the affordable thing is just my assumption. But at this point maybe it's fine to have an expensive product. I still feel like the backlash against the PS3 price was unwarranted and I see nothing wrong with offering a premium product IF you also have a more affordable one, which MSFT do.
family_guy
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They should probably just change their plans and release a new console at the end of 2018 and make it clear that while it's backwards compatible, it's not tied down by Xbox One in anyway.
Yautja_Warrior
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Well a lot can change in a year, if things aren't going how they like, they might delay Scorpio if they really need too.
Xbox One is still selling well, not as good as PS4 but still better than 360 in the same time period, so they probably could delay if they need to.
Or Oculus on Xbox will be a overall meaningless by product of Oculus for UWP. Have an Oculus rift, want to see Netflix in a virtual cinema? You can do that on Xbox now.
They had Fallout 4 VR in their video...
jim2point0
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People on PCs are also trying to do this at max settings though, which are typically a lot higher than what console games run at. If you turn down settings to console level, 4K/60 isn't that hard to achieve, let alone 4K/30. Just my take on it. I still think these consoles will struggle though due to their CPUs.
Shrennin
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The PS3's price was probably an overreaction but the competition had a much more reasonable price which enforced that controversy. I think as long as Scorpio can command its price with justification as far as its specs, and since there's two different SKUs with cheaper options available in the same family of systems then Microsoft is fine. I think anything over $1,000 would be bad though, so there is a reasonable expectation with a premium priced console. Scorpio still has to justify why one should get it over a gaming PC.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
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ShadowkillXNA
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Yes, it is. Consoles that sell better get more support from devs. Always been the case.
Not to mention how important graphics are to a games sales and its marketing campaign.
ShadowkillXNA
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It might not be Jaguar but it wont be Zen either which means it won't be much of an upgrade over the PS4 Pros cpu. Microsoft isnt putting an Intel iX cpu in there.
It won't be Puma either because they need i5 performance. Only Zen or similar gives them that performance.
Locuza
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Instead of putting effort into customizing another practically death architecture, which is quite different than the Jaguar-Architecture, It's highly likely that the latter is used again.
AMD already offered parts with 2,4 Ghz under the 28nm process, so with FinFETs there should be quite a playground to lift this frequency up.
Also Sony had the option for the PS4 Pro to go quite above 2,1 Ghz (if this is the final spec) but they didn't.
this is the same source thats been posted many times around here
we dont know whats going on behind the scenes at ms and amd. i wouldnt rule it out yet until we hear official info from ms
rokkerkory
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Using faster jaguar (if not more customized) is disappointing.
Pretty much 0 imo. They are focusing on AR/Holographics with Hololens. If they were working on VR we'd of heard something by now I would think.
I'm kinda glad they don't have their own VR headset, having their owns means they have to support it with software and it'll just be another Kinect situation. Letting third parties like Occulus deal with it is the better move imo, but I don't care about VR at all so yeah.
That would mean next gen Xbox and PlayStation consoles could be on the market in 2019.
ShadowkillXNA
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Unless Microsoft has gotten into the business of designing and manufacturing cpus/gpus/apus without anyone knowing than its irrelevant what is happening behind the scenes there.
They can only use what AMD has ready to go when the system enters production and Zen wont be ready at that time. Unless Microsoft delays the Scorpio to 2018.
6 year after PS4 and 3 year after Pro seems about right.
ShadowkillXNA
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If Microsoft continues to insist that all Scorpio games must run on Xbox One (except vr games)as well than an upclocked Jaguar wont be too bad. As another poster pointed out, the revised Jaguar can be clocked significantly higher than the version in the PS4 Pro.
Aceofspades
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Heh..no Zen? 1 year of waiting for a GPU 40% more powrrful than Pro?
So it will be same difference between PS4/X1. Except no releasing at the same time.
So it will be same difference between PS4/X1. Except no releasing at the same time.
Wonder how many people have bookmarked this.
I can see it now.. some poor soul bumps this thread when some third party game isn't 4K even though she's clearly talking about MS games.
Sure, if you you're gullible enough to think Jaguar will provide 90fps in an open world game, and others.
Correct. They are demo-ing the hell out of that thing in media events with new apps using gaming mascots like Conker every few months. Seemingly all sectors of the company pushing it.
Correct. Phil wouldn't be making comments like this.
Correct. Phil seems hellbent on not having another casual-grab debacle that no consumer group embraces.
Correct. He gets to be the "Good Guy Phil" that GAF loves by announcing third-party VR support. VR's inclusion with Scorpio means Sony has one less differentiator; another 'check' on the back-of-the-X-box. And if VR fails, all Microsoft loses is the time & resources it put into providing the OS backbone; it moves on and lets the (potential) fad fade.
tiredheadcrab
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Pretty sure the accuracy of that article has been called into question by many people here.
I do think it will be excavator. I dont think Jaguar packs the punch for high quality VR.
Aceofspades
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For the longest time, people here assumed that Scorpio late launch is due to Zen implementation. Browse this very thread, but if it actually ended up with Jaquar, then it wont be that monsterous machine people try make it out to be.
ShadowkillXNA
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If you dont think the Scorpio cpu will be Zen, and the article says it wont be Zen, then why question the accuracy of the article ?
Shin
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That's what I found most interesting from that article, either 2018 or 2019.
Can't wait to hear more about Scorpio though, I like that they went all out.
At the same time I'm also a bit worried with these upgrades and the "next" generation.
Console space could become rather fragmented.
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tiredheadcrab
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I wasnt. Other users were. The article is referencing something that wasnt even mentioned by AMD at that event so the article might not be accurate. They could have an APU ready by the time scorpio is ready. But it might be to expensive to use.
Well it is called "digiworth" and it looks like a blog, so...
Shrennin
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Honestly, this is a very good point that Spencer has learned not to repeat Kinect. It also really works for Microsoft, since Sony is now in the market with its own VR solution since that leaves Oculus, Vive, and whatever else open exclusively for Microsoft. Scorpio could be a one-stop machine for all things VR that's not PSVR, and if it fails then Microsoft moves on with little consequence.
SneakersSO
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Its actually exactly that simple. Greater marketshare equates to current market leader. And these consoles aren't even a new generation - they are a part of the current generation, meaning the install base devs look at is the base unit + the premium unit. If the Scorpio ends up having a greater marketshare than the Pro does by lets say Fall of 2018 (giving Scorpio a full 12 months to catch up to Pro sales), devs/pubs aren't going to be looking at the Scorpio figures in isolation to determine which ecosystem to place higher priority on; they'll be combining the figures each ecosystem comprises in summation (PS4 + Pro vs. X1 + Scorpio) and using that figure to determine which ecosystem they place higher priority on.
Unless MS intends on treating Scorpio as an entirely new generation, which they can't do due to a variety of several marketplace factors, then MS won't be able to wipe the slate clean like they did with the 360.
exmachina64
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Makes sense for Sony, but Microsoft's locked themselves into four year cycles -- unless they want to anger consumers.
This happened months ago, but it didn't get any play on mainstream English sites. A German website covered it and it was linked in another thread. The German site didn't say "working closely with Microsoft and Sony for release in 2018,"; they quoted Su as saying (paraphrasing) "working closely with partners on semi-custom [Zen] SoCs that won't be available before 2H 2018." It was more a statement of Zen's availability than a prediction of console release dates.
This article's taking things out of context to generate hype.
This is probably based on a previous report from last November that AMD would be able to deliver next-gen semi custom APUs to Sony and Microsoft in 2018 for new consoles, probably for testing, offering 5x the efficiency compared to 28nm chips.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/218082-rumor-amd-may-be-working-on-next-gen-consoles-for-2018
http://wccftech.com/exclusive-next-generation-consoles-expected-2018-amd/
The articles made it sound like next gen consoles would be released in 2018, but that would be too early. NeoGAF thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1139696
I'm sure it was the case in 2012, early silicon for Durango (Xbox One) and Orbis (PS4) existed then, but wasn't until fall 2013 that they launched.
Obviously AMD would have to have early silicon ready for for next generation Xbox and PS5 by late 2018 in order for those consoles to be launched by late 2019 in NA and EU, with Japan and the of rest of the world not seeing them until early 2020. Console hardware development takes well more than 12 months.
WCCFtech (lol) hinted the power draw of an 8 Core Zen part is 95 Watts. That's massive, and unless this thing is underclocked, I can't imagine they'd put this thing alongside a Vega unless they want some sort of PC form factor.
If MS wants the premium route- an 8 core Puma makes far more sense and can offer 2X the performance of Jaguar. It could easily outperform PS4 Pro on CPU bottlenecks and still not venture into the stratosphere of hot, expensive, and large.
If MS wants the premium route- an 8 core Puma makes far more sense and can offer 2X the performance of Jaguar. It could easily outperform PS4 Pro on CPU bottlenecks and still not venture into the stratosphere of hot, expensive, and large.
tiredheadcrab
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Oh I missed this post. This is due to the die shrink then? How high would they be able to clock it? I am assuming over 2.5ghz.
professor_t
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Explain how a .5 TF difference is the same as as a 1.8 TF difference.
Everytime I see this article posted, I make a remark saying it's clickbait and explain why, no-one replies to me, then it keeps on being reposted.
There's no direct quote, the roadmap is a 12 month roadmap which aligns to Scorpio being massed produced and AMD will really want new semi-custom business on their new designs, it's good for investment.
That article is FUD.
I could see this happening if not Zen, although the price comes with die space and the size of the box could just be similar to the OG X1. With the Surface team now responsible for hardware, it wouldn't surprise me if they put some passive liquid cooling in like they've done for SP4, Surface Book.
Either way, I'm excited to see what this thing will look like and what will be inside. I'm hoping for the best.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ofts-loftis-xbox-gaming-and-scorpio/90408722/
Unable to make a thread so decided to post here. MS is real serious about this native 4K gaming can't wait till Scorpio is announce it has to be a monster.
I just hope they have 1080p profiles the same as the pro does. It'd be stupidly stupid not to.
Im pretty sure games will scale like they do on PC.
I agree. I have a 4K TV, however if I have an option for 4K at 30FPS with medium settings, versus 1080p/60fps with maybe high or ultra settings, I'd much rather the 60FPS with better textures and stuff.
Haint
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Microsoft are making games for a 1.3TF OG Xbone, of course it is not surprising a 6TF Scorpio can run them in 4K. The question is will AAA third party games that struggle (or fail) to hit 1080p on a 1.8TF PS4 run at native 4K? Very good chance they will not. We have a pretty good idea AAA games are doing 2x 1080p on the 4.2TF Pro. 6TF is not going to get that to 4x 1080p.
Theonik
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Graphical costs are exponential so measurements of power need to be relative. That is, 40% is 40% regardless of how much the actual gap is. So yes the gap is about the same.
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