PanicFreak
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It's going to start at $399. Book it.
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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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It's going to start at $399. Book it.
If it is it'll be an incredible bargain and will sell gangbusters. I am more than happy to be wrong and for gamers to get hardware that is both powerful and cheap.
It'd be a bargain if it released today, not at the end of next year.If it is it'll be an incredible bargain and will sell gangbusters. I am more than happy to be wrong and for gamers to get hardware that is both powerful and cheap.
If they do this, publishers could immediately forget about an Xbox version of their title and distribute via the cheapest channel they can find (Steam, etc.) Suddenly the Xbox experience becomes a bunch of competing storefronts and the user experience gets really complicated. Where do I buy that new game I saw advertised? How many accounts do I need, with how many passwords?
I don't expect it. The closed ecosystem is one of the major appeals to a console from Microsoft's perspective, and it does have consumer advantages as well.
GinoFelino
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Exactly. 399 would be a steal today, it's just 'the right price' holiday 2017.
Yup. Can imagine them loosing a few bucks in the first year per unit but we all know that'll change for them.
Is it possible that Scorpio will be $399? Yep, sure is.
Will it most likely happen? We don't know but with all the information we have, it doesn't seem so.
$399-$699 is probably where you'll see the machine ($699 would be with Elite controller)
The price difference would be with Hard Drive space and tech (ssd hybrid).
Will it most likely happen? We don't know but with all the information we have, it doesn't seem so.
$399-$699 is probably where you'll see the machine ($699 would be with Elite controller)
The price difference would be with Hard Drive space and tech (ssd hybrid).
Samurai G0SU
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You all think they will talk more about it at Gamescon? Or perhaps wait until early 2017?
PanicFreak
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I don't think they'll talk about it until they have software to show for it. I would expect it at E3 next year or during a special event early next year.
I think we'll get maybe 1 or 2 more details but nothing earth shattering (definitely no games). I think that we'll get our answer on VR at the MS WinHEC conference in the fall where they are going to talk more about Windows Holographic for 3rd parties.
Dee Dah Dave
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Vega this and Zen that is largely irrelevant. It's an APU of a particular size, what goes into it doesn't really matter. It's the silicon space you are mostly paying for. Sure there might be some premium on the newer architecture, but not much.
On 14nm, the size of a 6TF GPU + Zen CPU would be very similar to a 28nm launch Xbox One APU. Maybe 10 to 25 dollar difference.
Then going by the images and given bandwidth, the Scorpio will have 12GB of standard GDDR5 on a 384bit BUS. That extra / different RAM is maybe another ~30 bucks or so.
So the build cost of this thing will easily come in within the $499 or less range. No way will it be more than that for the base model. Extra SKU's with bigger HDD's etc don't count.
I will remove my left gonad if it's more than $499.
On 14nm, the size of a 6TF GPU + Zen CPU would be very similar to a 28nm launch Xbox One APU. Maybe 10 to 25 dollar difference.
Then going by the images and given bandwidth, the Scorpio will have 12GB of standard GDDR5 on a 384bit BUS. That extra / different RAM is maybe another ~30 bucks or so.
So the build cost of this thing will easily come in within the $499 or less range. No way will it be more than that for the base model. Extra SKU's with bigger HDD's etc don't count.
I will remove my left gonad if it's more than $499.
DagnastyEp
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I think they'll either keep mostly quite until early 2017, or maybe put some more info out shortly after Neo is officially unveiled.
My thoughts as well. It doesn't really matter as much what goes into the APU, it's more about the overall space that apu will take up. Power draw and heat can be dealt with; I doubt this will draw more power than the launch PS3.
I'm expecting $499.
You've made some great points in this thread and I'm thinking you are correct. MS is definitely positioning Scorpio as a console for the hardcore audience.
I'm pumped for it, but I don't really want to pay more than $499. Can't wait to see where MS ends up pricing it.
PanicFreak
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The only reason I don't think it will go for $499 is because during the IGN roundtable with all of the heads of Xbox, Phil Spencer told a story about how bad it was being on the more expensive side when releasing a console.
I think they came in with a mandate to provide good VR and 4K support but I think there was probably another mandate to design the box around a $399 price point. They'll have the most powerful box but they need a compelling price point to match.
I think they came in with a mandate to provide good VR and 4K support but I think there was probably another mandate to design the box around a $399 price point. They'll have the most powerful box but they need a compelling price point to match.
Vega and Zen will be cost only in terms of time. I agree with your estimate on the SoC APU (if they're going with 4 Zen Cores/8 threads rather than full 8 Zen cores). And in terms of the cost differential for memory, I think it will be slightly larger.
8GB DDR3 vs 12GB GDDR5
Wonder if this is also part of the plan to support a consumer Hololens. I know it has onboard processing but paired with a powerful machine like Scorpio to offload rendering and heavy processes I could see some real magic happening.
Maybe that's too far off though, they need to fix the FOV and sell at a reasonable price (dev kit is $3000 currently) to make it attractive for gaming.
Maybe that's too far off though, they need to fix the FOV and sell at a reasonable price (dev kit is $3000 currently) to make it attractive for gaming.
It's already like that on pc. I somehow manage to figure out all my accounts. I mostly use steam, but if sony or microsoft put their games on there I wouldn't mind another client. Consoles will always be for those who are scared to use a keyboard and because of the console only narrative. Microsoft seems to be pushing pc to the living room, and about fucking time.
GinoFelino
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Yeah.
It's perfectly possible to launch a 6TF console at 399, but you could just as easily launch it at 499-599 with premium SSD's and Elite Controllers and the like.
499 didn't work well for them, though, so I'm guessing they'll have a base option at 399.
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Dee Dah Dave
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Yeah I'm just spitballing. But I think we are looking at a max $75 dollar difference in build cost to the launch Xbox One. And that's with a true 8 core Zen. I'm not sure they can get away with 8 threads, or would want too.
The XB1 with Kinect apparently had a small profit margin at launch for $499. Of course all that went out the window!
I see this point being brought up a lot. Remember, that's a totally different market than what this device represents (from my point of view). At the launch of XBO/PS4, people just wanted a next-gen console. At this point, you are just getting an upgrade of that console...not the next-generation of consoles. Premium products can be sold at premium prices and be successful.
If you are looking at it through the eyes of launching a next gen console, then yes, it most likely wouldn't do well...but it's not supposed to be that. It's supposed to be for the user who has a 4K television (that aren't cheap but is getting there) and/or a VR headset (which aren't cheap either for a standalone device). A person who has those things most likely is able to afford a $500 console.
Bits N Pieces
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Bookmark this post! The Scorpio won't be more than $399.
What this means for us in the UK? Probably fucking £429!
If Neo launches this year then there is no way that MS can release a $499 to try and compete with it.
What this means for us in the UK? Probably fucking £429!
If Neo launches this year then there is no way that MS can release a $499 to try and compete with it.
499 didn't work because PS was 399 and more powerful. And that was your only choice for the generation if you game on Xbox.
499 is premium, powerful, and not your only choice with the Xbox One S.
I feel you, although the S starts at $299 and it's £249 here, so there's some hope!
Dee Dah Dave
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£399 sounds much better than £429 here in the UK. I hope they don't skank us!
MilkyJoe
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Poodlestrike
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Gaming is frankly always going to be an edge case use, until the tech advances to the point where it's a viable use-everywhere device, which means much longer battery life and smaller form factor. Power is sort of a minor thing.
Bits N Pieces
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Eternal hope
Just wait for the vote on Thursday
It will probably be £1,200 when it release next year Unfortunately no. LED. My budget was only about 1250, so I got a Sony XBR850C. No HDR, but I love it and very happy.
Eternal hope
Just wait for the vote on Thursday
I really don't want to be a Tier 3 country. Fuck that.
GinoFelino
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I'd agree with you if Scorpio was releasing simultaneously and at 399.
However, the S will likely be at 249 max when Scorpio releases. That makes 399 a premium price point.
Sure, but a niche consumer's budget is not the main guideline there.
They have a lot riding on Scorpio, and it needs to do big numbers irrespective of how they're marketing it ('hardcore premium console'). I don't buy that as a reason for 499.
Besides, I think Scorpio will transition into a standalone nextgen option, dropping Xbone support after a year at most. It's the next Xbox and they'll be pushing it as such.
I forgot all about the tiers! God, that sucked so much.
This is why you think that the price has to be as aggressive as you think. This is definitely not the case. 2018 and Xbone support will be dropped? Not a chance in hell.
Bobnob
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really?Just wait for the vote on Thursday
GinoFelino
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At least partially, yeah, absolutely. I don't yet know what excuse they'll think of, but they'll want to showcase that power as soon as possible.
dragonelite
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Isn't LG the only one rocking OLED screens?
Banned? Interesting, I wonder what that was about.
justsomeguy
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I'm putting it down to a rare (for him) blip in phrasing/message, caused by long days at E3.
"Leaving" 20-30mil+ in 2018 isn't a smart business decision. I'm sorry but you are just wrong in that regard. That makes no sense...devs are just now bringing out better games and experiences in this generation of games...they aren't going to leave them behind for a 4K capable machine. And you have no way to backup that discussion other than "i don't yet know what excuse they'll think of"? Nah bruh, we definitely just disagree on that front.
Unless Sony goes back to the drawing board, it's going to be VERY hard for Scorpio to be the cheaper console...near impossible...
GinoFelino
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No way to back it up? Well, they're moving to a shared PC-Xbox install base for a reason. That way, Scorpio-only games are no longer a huge financial risk.
They're not 'leaving' Xbone completely, similar to how cross-gen games would still release in the past when a new generation was launched.
I'm just saying you'll start to see Scorpio/PC exclusives after a year or so, alongside the games that still work on Xbox One.
Let me ask you: you think they're doing all this R&D for a glorified Xbox One Elite?
To answer your last question, no. What I do think is that 1 year is way too short to think support is going to drop. I'll give it 3-4 years from Scorpio launch before we start hearing rumblings of the next thing. 2019/2020 would be a good year to drop Xbox One support and get the next big thing in console gaming. Like I said, they aren't going to drop 20-30mil users for this new thing after 1 year.
Can't wait to purchase this 6 TF-Monster from Microsoft
You and me both. It'll be nice to be playing on the most powerful console of all time.
Can't wait to purchase this 6 TF-Monster from Microsoft
Can't wait too ... (even though, I'm also gonna need a new TV, right?).
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