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[Craig of War]

An intersting Leaked picture of a Xbox teardown it looks to be a Western Digital PC SN530 NVMe SSD and with it not being soldered means you can probably replace and put in more bigger storage internal SSD if you like and also means if the internal SSD die you can replace it without bricking your console.

 

[kraspkibble]

this is great if true.

i was worried about this. SSDs last a long time but they can and will fail. it's much easier to swap out a drive than have to replace an entire motherboard. soldering stuff to the board is something Apple does to lock down their hardware. it means it's harder or impossible to fix. creates more waste.

 

[Elias]

great news. will make it easier and cheaper to fix.

 

[HUELEN10]

So... not a Seagate internally? That’s kinda surprising isn’t it?

 

[Elias]

this also means there will be other brands making ssds for the series x sooner rather than later.

 

[Pagusas]

Could still have some form of software lockout for unapproved serial/part numbers.

 

[kraspkibble]

So... not a Seagate internally? That’s kinda surprising isn’t it?

Why would it be surprising?

just because they partnered with them to do the external drive?

it's a good thing they didn't go with Seagate. we'd be hearing of Xbox consoles failing after a year. WD makes top tier SSDs

Could still have some form of software lockout for unapproved serial/part numbers.

they aren't Apple.

even if they did do that it's still infinity better than soldering your drive to the mobo.

 

[HUELEN10]

Why would it be surprising?

just because they partnered with them to do the external drive?

it's a good thing they didn't go with Seagate. we'd be hearing of Xbox consoles failing after a year. WD makes top tier SSDs

I know that much, I prefer WD myself. It’s just... still kinda odd.

 

[kraspkibble]

I know that much, I prefer WD myself. It’s just... still kinda odd.

no it's not. it's common to use multiple suppliers.

sony used hgst/toshiba drives. they will probably have multiple manufacturers of their SSD. phones do the same for their storage. GPUs. RAM. etc. totally normal.

honestly it's silly to think they'd only use one manufacturer.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Interesting .. limited to pcie 3.0 but opens up options to change it maybe.

 

[Craig of War]

this is great if true.

i was worried about this. SSDs last a long time but they can and will fail. it's much easier to swap out a drive than have to replace an entire motherboard. soldering stuff to the board is something Apple does to lock down their hardware. it means it's harder or impossible to fix. creates more waste.

It true now found a better picture on twitter.

 

[Kagey K]

It true now found a better picture on twitter.

I suddenly feel less concerned about a full blown drive failure, but it’s still not ideal.

 

[Craig of War]

I suddenly feel less concerned about a full blown drive failure, but it’s still not ideal.

It better than being soldered into the Mobo that for sure.

 

[Trimesh]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

I'm not even sure what you're asking here - firstly, there is not going to be any lead in any of these products because if there was they couldn't sell them in most of the world. Secondly, using a removable drive is the more expensive option - it requires an additional PCB with selective gold plating, the mating connector and additional assembly operations.

 

[Bittermich]

I suddenly feel less concerned about a full blown drive failure, but it’s still not ideal.

how is this not ideal? Can’t get any better than this. What else are they going to do?

 

[Plantoid]

"this deal is getting better all the time"

 

[Kagey K]

how is this not ideal? Can’t get any better than this. What else are they going to do?

Put it on the outside and make it easily replaceable.

 

[longdi]

ssd probably wont die before your console gets outdated, but it is smart design to use standard parts imo.

 

[Craig of War]

ssd probably wont die before your console gets outdated, but it is smart design to use standard parts imo.

But what if you want to keep your console for like 15-30 years i still have my 2006 PS3 and it still works great i fire it up like 3 to 4 times a month for the Gran Turismo 5 when something you love you want it to last forever lol

 

[Valued Gamer]

This is a good thing. MS nailed their design this gen.

 

[Dr.brain64]

Has ms said anything if you change it. Is it like xone where you can't change it?

 

[nikolino840]

Maybe pins and firmware are custom and you can't replace it,maybe is for easy repair for them

 

[Redlight]

That's great, easy replacement is far better than having the ditch the entire system. Potential for installing a larger drive too.

 

[Self]

But can we replace it with a faster PS5-SSD?

/s

 

[sinnergy]

We knew that ... I brought that up as one of first weeks ago. I even told people it had all the signs it was removable, yet people still wanted to prove me wrong

I explained it to FXVeteran or NXGamer, can’t recall.

One guy even took my findings and did a YouTube the next day. Everything for views ..

 

[sinnergy]

But can we replace it with a faster PS5-SSD?

/s

Modders probably can ..

 

[Blond]

But can we replace it with a faster PS5-SSD?

/s

i fully expect a revision with M2 strictly because there was no other option as they were building it.

This is also the same storage solution the surface x and laptop 3s use and you can find replacements but crazy cheap on eBay.

 

[cyberheater]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

What an idiot post. Take you conformation bias elsewhere and stick to PS5 post.

 

[Trimesh]

Has ms said anything if you change it. Is it like xone where you can't change it?

You can change the drive in the Xbox One - it's not officially supported, but (unlike the 360) there are no actual hacks involved. It's not as plug and play as the PS4 because you need to create the partition layout on the drive with the correct UUIDs and copy over the updater file before you install it, but it's not really complicated (well, unless command line tools like PARTEDIT freak you out...).

 

[On Demand]

Well yeah not surprising since it’s not that custom. It’s basically a standard SSD. PS5 drive had to be soldered to the board.

Good thing about PS5 is that they still allow SSD expansion.

 

[M1chl]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

This is obviously more expensive solution, way more.

 

[bighugeguns]

Would make sense to not permanently embed it to the board, it's one less component to worry about struggling to replace down the line.

I hate, HATE, HAAAAAATE phones with embedded batteries.

 

[fermcr]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

 

[Black_Stride]

Yo what?

So those 1TB Series S are just round the corner aye?

Its also a huge boon for MS because effectively when they need to make higher capacity Series Xs and Ss they just need to call up whoever and batch order a bunch of effectively off the shelf 2230s

Their cost of upStoraged models is effectively the same as the current generation.

I thought MS told us these things were PCIE4.
Thats a PCIE3 SSD?
Phison already came out and said they are supply the PS5019-E19T as a controller.
Then again thats also the controller in the expansion card so maybe Phison were talking about that and not the internal SSD.

Well yeah not surprising since it’s not that custom. It’s basically a standard SSD. PS5 drive had to be soldered to the board.

Good thing about PS5 is that they still allow SSD expansion.

I was literally waiting for someone to come and say: Good thing about PS5 is..........
You guys deliver on cue.
Haha.

 

[Craig of War]

But can we replace it with a faster PS5-SSD?

/s

Looks like you can might not get the full speed but if it the same form factor like this than yes

 

[Deleted member 740922]

I was literally waiting for someone to come and say: Good thing about PS5 is..........
You guys deliver on cue.

Hence "On Demand"

 

[MadViking]

It's good it is removable, will be easier to fix. But also 2230 are very difficult to find and expensive. I wonder if some custom adapter would work to replace with standard 2280.

 

[M1chl]

Damn why would MS put there PCIe3 and only let us buy stupidly expensive PCIe4 SSD, tho. Makes no sense, well it does to produce chepaer consoles, but like let us buy some cheaper and bigger storage expansion then....

 

[sinnergy]

It's good it is removable, will be easier to fix. But also 2230 are very difficult to find and expensive. I wonder if some custom adapter would work to replace with standard 2280.

I think that will be the way of modders ..

Cheap big / fast SSDS for us tech savvy

 

[sinnergy]

Damn why would MS put there PCIe3 and only let us buy stupidly expensive PCIe4 SSD, tho. Makes no sense, well it does to produce chepaer consoles, but like let us buy some cheaper and bigger storage expansion then....

How would you know how much r and d went into this all ... it’s not all standard..

 

[M1chl]

How would you know how much r and d went into this all ... it’s not all standard..

Because that type is standard SSD: https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/pc-sn530-ssd

And PCIe 4 drives are currently more expensive and for 2.4GB/s makes little sense.

 

[Admast79]

Has ms said anything if you change it. Is it like xone where you can't change it?

You can change it on XOne. Just need to do some steps to make it work.

 

[cireza]

Good design by Microsoft.

 

[Black_Stride]

Hence "On Demand"

How did I miss such low hanging fruit.

I am so ashamed.

 

[RoadHazard]

This doesn't mean you can actually replace it. They would have to support installing the OS to a new drive etc, which remains to be seen.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I wonder if in the future when faster SSDs appear, we can put them in XSX and leverage velocity architecture to achieve even better SSD speed.

 

[deriks]

Translation:
It's just a common M.2 NVME of a PC that is inside the Xbox Series X. I took a screw and there you go. I believe it is a more expensive option than the one soldered directly on the board, but it will help a lot in future maintenance or maybe expansion to a bigger M.2!

 

[sinnergy]

Because that type is standard SSD: https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/pc-sn530-ssd

And PCIe 4 drives are currently more expensive and for 2.4GB/s makes little sense.

But the connection isn’t ... just saying . And the fitting and cooling also isn’t , there is more to be aware of than a simple google for type number .

 

[evanft]

While the worries about the lifetime of the SSD in the PS5 are completely overblown (something else will brick the console well before the SSD), going with a standard M.2 connection was definitely the right move by MS.

 

[M1chl]

But the connection isn’t ... just saying .

What connection do you mean? Connector is the same, most like data transfer is going to use same protocols, because why not. So I am not sure what do you mean?