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[TLZ]

I just a received a SMS from my ISP. I'm guessing this means we're getting a pre-order announcement very soon. I thought this was thread worthy.

Here's a screenshot I took of the SMS I received:

Hyped!

Edit: I want to make clear that I signed up for updates ages ago.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I just a received a SMS from my ISP. I'm guessing this means we're getting a pre-order announcement very soon. I thought this was thread worthy.

Here's a screenshot I took of the SMS I received:

Hyped!

Edit: I want to make clear that I signed up for updates ages ago.

Hmm with Xbox All Access. Was this always available in your country? Thought this was a US only thing

 

[John254]

Soon is pretty ambiguous. I fully expect both companies to launch preorders in august. But it looks like Sony will go first

 

[ZehDon]

I believe rumours have pricing and pre-orders after the 11th of August. If this is correct, and your text is correct, then Microsoft might be announcing the date the pre-orders go live before they announce the pricing. Sort of giving customers a "heads up".

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Now I’m even more hyped for the price war.

PS5 DE vs Lockhart
PS5 vs XSX

Choose your fighters.

 

[-Arcadia-]

My pre-order money is ready. Sony. MS. Let's get this generation started.

 

[nikolino840]

Well...it's time

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Now I’m even more hyped for the price war.

PS5 DE vs Lockhart
PS5 vs XSX

Choose your fighters.

Do you really think Lockhart is still happening?
Because if preorder is happening soon, that means Xbox has basically ran out of time to reveal the thing.

 

[German Hops]

I'll take two for starters. One for me and one for my pet salamander.

 

[DinoD]

Do you really think Lockhart is still happening?
Because if preorder is happening soon, that means Xbox has basically ran out of time to reveal the thing.

I still think Lockhart being nothing more than the diversion tactics to throw Sony off the projected price/performance goal. The real blow will come in the form of Series X price. I think they will try to undercut Sony.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I still think Lockhart being nothing more than the diversion tactics to throw Sony off the projected price/performance goal. The real blow will come in the form of Series X price. I think they will try to undercut Sony.

You think Series X can beat $399? Because that is my prediction for PS5.

 

[Stuart360]

I still think Lockhart being nothing more than the diversion tactics to throw Sony off the projected price/performance goal. The real blow will come in the form of Series X price. I think they will try to undercut Sony.

I dont think they would of discontinued the OneX and diskless XB1 if Lockhart wasnt happening. I wouldnt be surprised if Lockhart comes a bit later, but i'm certain its happening.

 

[DinoD]

You think Series X can beat $399? Because that is my prediction for PS5.

I don't know. $399 PS5 seems too optimistic. The only reason they were able to hit that with PS4 was due to weak hardware spec. Perhaps they could do the same again through to economies of scale patent sharing/partnership with AMD and a smallish hit (loss) on the release.

 

[DinoD]

I dont think they would of discontinued the OneX and diskless XB1 if Lockhart wasnt happening. I wouldnt be surprised if Lockhart comes a bit later, but i'm certain its happening.

Yeah. Perhaps. I am just trying to figure out the purpose of Lockhart where Seriex X costs the same as PS5.

 

[DavidGzz]

Yep, both will be pre-ordered. GameStop is supposed to call me. But I'll probably know before they do lol.

 

[Shantae]

You think Series X can beat $399? Because that is my prediction for PS5.

Microsoft wasn't afraid to price Xbox One X at $499 when it released, so I wouldn't be surprised if Series X was at least that price. I expect PS5 to be around $499 as well, with digital edition being $449 maybe, or $499 with some digital code for something.

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah. Perhaps. I am just trying to figure out the purpose of Lockhart where Seriex X costs the same as PS5.

For me, i think the point of Lockhart is for the more causal gamer, that doesnt care about 4k. And people on 1080p tv's and have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. And for parents who can buy a new Xbox for little Timmy without breaking the bank, or the parents that will be like 'No we are not getting you that new Xbox, you dont eevn have a 4ktv!'.
Loads of potential outcomes where a much cheaper next gen console, that can produce the same visuals as its bigger brother but at a lower resolution, would be a potential money winner.

 

[Flintty]

I hope so. I’m ready for this jelly.

 

[DavidGzz]

For me, i think the point of Lockhart is for the more causal gamer, that doesnt care about 4k. And people on 1080p tv's and have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. And for parents who can buy a new Xbox for little Timmy without breaking the bank, or the parents that will be like 'No we are not getting you that new Xbox, you dont eevn have a 4ktv!'.
Loads of potential outcomes where a much cheaper next gen console, that can produce the same visuals as its bigger brother but at a lower resolution, would be a potential money winner.

That's the one my daughter is getting, she has a 1080p tv in her room and she couldn't care less about 4k but she'd probably like Fortnight with the enhanced visuals supposedly coming next year. I think that A LOT of parents would rather go with the XSS for the kids room. It should sell like hotcakes along with Game Pass.

 

[DinoD]

For me, i think the point of Lockhart is for the more causal gamer, that doesnt care about 4k. And people on 1080p tv's and have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. And for parents who can buy a new Xbox for little Timmy without breaking the bank, or the parents that will be like 'No we are not getting you that new Xbox, you dont eevn have a 4ktv!'.
Loads of potential outcomes where a much cheaper next gen console, that can produce the same visuals as its bigger brother but at a lower resolution, would be a potential money winner.

TBH. This only makes sense if you are trying to sandwich your competition. If Lockhart was real, Sony and MS would have announced the pricing. Sony initially tried to sell two versions of PS3. Guess which one sold better (much better). If SeriesX is same or cheaper than PS5 why would you want to take on the additional risks of having two consoles on the release?

Edit: If MS comes out with two SKU's they will probably be variations of HD space and/or disk/diskless.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

For me, i think the point of Lockhart is for the more causal gamer, that doesnt care about 4k. And people on 1080p tv's and have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. And for parents who can buy a new Xbox for little Timmy without breaking the bank, or the parents that will be like 'No we are not getting you that new Xbox, you dont eevn have a 4ktv!'.
Loads of potential outcomes where a much cheaper next gen console, that can produce the same visuals as its bigger brother but at a lower resolution, would be a potential money winner.

What you are really saying, is that Series X would be sold at a price that would be unpalatable for the masses. And that a hypothetical Series S is the only way to salvage it.

I have seen this before. Many times, when Xbox come up with a bad idea, the forum come up with explanations on how it could be salvaged. And each time, that explanation ended up being false.

The idea of Lockhart actually started way before Lockhart itself. For a year if not multiple years, there had been lament by the few who wanted next gen machine to be $800 monster, that they should have their expensive machine and the masses can have a cheaper SKU. This desire wasn't based on economic viability; it was purely a desire to have overpriced hardware and then retroactively coming up with justifications for it to exist.

At this point, with August already started, i am ready to say that Lockhart is dead. It might have existed once, but I don't think it is possible for Microsoft to announce it anymore. At this point, hardware manufacture and stockpiling had begun, and if Series S/Lockhart was to be ready by Christmas, its production would have been leaked by now.

 

[Stuart360]

TBH. This only makes sense if you are trying to sandwich your competition. If Lockhart was real, Sony and MS would have announced the pricing. Sony initially tried to sell two versions of PS3. Guess which one sold better (much better). If SeriesX is same or cheaper than PS5 why would you want to take on the additional risks of having two consoles on the release?

Edit: If MS comes out with two SKU's they will probably be variations of HD space and/or disk/diskless.

Well i dont think Lockhart will be available at the XSX launch, i think it will come later, a few months or a year. If Microsoft are real serious about next gen, and i mean REAL serious, they could go $400 for XSX and $200-250 for Lockhart.

 

[Kerotan]

This price battle between Sony and MS is so entertaining. Likely 3 months from launch now, both must be getting sweaty. Can't wait to see who holds out longer.

After the tragic July showing from Xbox that sold more ps5's then xboxs, I'd say Sony are very happy to let xbox go next.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Well i dont think Lockhart will be available at the XSX launch, i think it will come later, a few months or a year. If Microsoft are real serious about next gen, and i mean REAL serious, they could go $400 for XSX and $200-250 for Lockhart.

A Lockhart launch 1 year later would be unprecedented. But it is more realistic now that we still haven't head a word about the damn thing.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Now I’m even more hyped for the price war.

PS5 DE vs Lockhart
PS5 vs XSX

Choose your fighters.

A new fighter enters the arena: Xbox Series S

 

[DinoD]

Well i dont think Lockhart will be available at the XSX launch, i think it will come later, a few months or a year. If Microsoft are real serious about next gen, and i mean REAL serious, they could go $400 for XSX and $200-250 for Lockhart.

With $400-$450 Series X I just don't think that there's enough price differentiation for Lock. I'm not sure where you are from. Australian pricing sensibility may not be the same as US, UK, Europe or elsewhere in the world. Thinking of getting the console with an APU based on Zen2 and RDNA2 + SSD for $250 seems rather far fetched to me.

 

[phil_t98]

I think xbox will launch sooner than we think, i expect an apple style one more thing and launch it with in a week at some point. I am thinking September

 

[Mr.ODST]

Feel like MS will undercut Sony by quite abit, still deciding what to go with first as both have been pretty disappointing in terms of launch titles

 

[Stuart360]

A Lockhart launch 1 year later would be unprecedented. But it is more realistic now that we still haven't head a word about the damn thing.

Well i just think we would have had more concrete details by now if it was coming at launch with XSX. Not a load of Twitter rumours that we have had so far. You may be right and it doesnt come at all, but i just cant see why they would discontinue the OneX and diskless XB1 if it wasnt cming at all.

 

[TLZ]

Hmm with Xbox All Access. Was this always available in your country? Thought this was a US only thing

Yes it started last year if I'm not mistaken. And from what I remember you can easily upgrade to the Series X.

 

[TheRaidenPT]

We are getting near to both consoles pre orders, awesome!

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Do you really think Lockhart is still happening?
Because if preorder is happening soon, that means Xbox has basically ran out of time to reveal the thing.

Of course I believe it’s coming soon. At this point I think the Xbox division has lost any reason behind their strategy.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Yes it started last year if I'm not mistaken. And from what I remember you can easily upgrade to the Series X.

Oof sweet, hope they'll do something similar in Europe (outside of the UK)

 

[replicant-]

Hmm with Xbox All Access. Was this always available in your country? Thought this was a US only thing

Nope it is being expanded.

 

[Gaz]

I hope so. This price war is ridiculous:

 

[saintjules]

I think xbox will launch sooner than we think, i expect an apple style one more thing and launch it with in a week at some point. I am thinking September

Yeah there was some discussion about this a while back. Initially it was in plans to release in August before that changed. I really wonder if they can pull off September.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Do you really think Lockhart is still happening?
Because if preorder is happening soon, that means Xbox has basically ran out of time to reveal the thing.

They'll reveal Lockhart as well as pricing at their August event.

 

[3liteDragon]

Alright I’m calling it now, Lockhart will be revealed mid-August with pre-orders opening up for both Xbox consoles after the reveal.

 

[BlackProdigy]

I'm ready to give them my money

 

[phil_t98]

Yeah there was some discussion about this a while back. Initially it was in plans to release in August before that changed. I really wonder if they can pull off September.

Well they manufacture these things quick, the design has been locked for a good while now. We did see the digital foundry breakdown of the parts so i would be fairly confident they could have it rolled out by end of September if they wish to

 

[IntentionalPun]

Could mean absolutely nothing.

Interesting info; but could literally be a timer that says "if someone signed up X days ago with no new info send 'info coming soon' message."

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Most likely will be announced during Aug showcase. Price, Lockhart SKU, and free XBL.

 

[saintjules]

Well they manufacture these things quick, the design has been locked for a good while now. We did see the digital foundry breakdown of the parts so i would be fairly confident they could have it rolled out by end of September if they wish to

Yeah I like this idea. I don't know if Xbox has anything else to show. Supposedly they do.

 

[phil_t98]

Yeah I like this idea. I don't know if Xbox has anything else to show. Supposedly they do.

They will always have something to show. The only downside to launching in September would be no series X games would launch along side it i guess.

 

[Three]

I dont think they would of discontinued the OneX and diskless XB1 if Lockhart wasnt happening. I wouldnt be surprised if Lockhart comes a bit later, but i'm certain its happening.

They are still selling the One S and that can remain as their low entry gamepass platform. I agree though, I think they will likely release Lockhart when supply is greater than demand for the Series X and they need next gen only games begin to show.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Locked and loaded, bring it on.

 

[njean777]

I think xbox will launch sooner than we think, i expect an apple style one more thing and launch it with in a week at some point. I am thinking September

I doubt they will release in September, I say early November or late October and pre-orders start later this month. Reason being is you don't want to announce pre-orders and then not give people time to save money for it. Sure people like us may have already saved and such, but there are plenty of gamers that do not follow gaf or era and won't be ready that soon to drop 500$+ for a console so fast. Especially when with consoles you don't have the ability to pay it off slowly like you do with iPhones, etc.

Also I don't think Halo will be ready in September, which is the big launch title.

 

[Self High Five]

The world's most powerful console at $399 with free online? I think they'll be neck and neck with Sony in the US & UK.

But all their moves the last few years shows they're not too interested in taking market share from Sony (which business wise is a smart move)

 

[Xaero Gravity]

The world's most powerful console at $399 with free online? I think they'll be neck and neck with Sony in the US & UK.

But all their moves the last few years shows they're not too interested in taking market share from Sony (which business wise is a smart move)

I think Sony's marketshare is just too big, and unless they massively screw up I don't see that changing.

 

[Yams]

I think xbox will launch sooner than we think, i expect an apple style one more thing and launch it with in a week at some point. I am thinking September

There's no way. Assassins Creed Valhalla launches in November, Dirt 5 in October, Cyberpunk in November, Watch Dogs Legion in October. A system launch needs games. Would love to be wrong though!