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Xenoblade Chronicles X: Survival Guides
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None of the tracks in the video had vocals but I'm not familiar with the entire OST outside of a few songs so I don't know if they just used instrumental only songs for it.
Pokemaniac
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Well, yeah. They clearly started with B.L.A.D.E. and worked backwards from there. Reverse engineering acronyms like that doesn't always produce the best results.
Aaronrules380
Member
Or maybe it means both. Kind of like how they made like 5 different acronyms out of Gundam in Gundam Seed
Judging by the first page of comments, the localization is heavily pandering to idiots, and lots of what made this game a xeno title is probably not going to make it through the localization for fear of making the lowest common denominator uncomfortable.
Honestly, if you didnt instantly understand what the original blade acronym was getting at, or understand that it obviously made sense and you just didnt have the information required, and then had the sense of mind to say google, 'logos'.... You shouldnt be playing a xeno game. They are not for you, there are thousands of games made every year that are, these do not need to conform to those ranks.
The acronym to blade was a powerful statement, that directly referenced the plot and theme of the game.... And a theme brought up in pretty much EVERY Xeno game.
Honestly, if you didnt instantly understand what the original blade acronym was getting at, or understand that it obviously made sense and you just didnt have the information required, and then had the sense of mind to say google, 'logos'.... You shouldnt be playing a xeno game. They are not for you, there are thousands of games made every year that are, these do not need to conform to those ranks.
The acronym to blade was a powerful statement, that directly referenced the plot and theme of the game.... And a theme brought up in pretty much EVERY Xeno game.
LegendofLex
Member
It was also an acronym that no native English speaker would ever have come up with in any universe, even a fictional one.
Shadow Hog
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So instead of talking about how the planet's died Cloud, we're instead welcomed to the Fantasy Zone, get ready (many more battle scenes will soon be available!).
Smiles and Cries
Member
when you list it that way it is hard to spot the improvements, more or less makes it easier to understand what they are and do but who wants JRPG for Dummies :3
any Neko means Cat in this game?
Aaronrules380
Member
Was originally planning to join ARMs, but I feel like their bonus sounds kind of weak in comparison, especially towards end game. It'd probably be very helpful at the beginning though.
Can you switch?
Aaronrules380
Member
Yeah, but from what I understood (I've been on relative blackout for a while since the Japanese release) their are requirements you have to meet to do so and it isn't always instantaneous
RPGCrazied
Member
This game.... I need it soon. But damn have we seen a lot of it so far, before it comes out we will have seen most of the game. lol
Still no dub, I wonder when we can hear a lot of the english voice acting.
Still no dub, I wonder when we can hear a lot of the english voice acting.
Smiles and Cries
Member
this is why NOA did this they are trying to target a wider group of people, with this only the Xeno fans will be the ones burned by the changes
it is not a deal breaker but these changes are not for core fans
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
These all feel like completely pointless changes. Why?
Aaronrules380
Member
So for anyone familiar with the Japanese version: When they say recovers hp more quickly for Pathfinders, does that mean they'll get more hp from stuff like soul voice as well, or just outside of battle? Because if the latter, that's pretty damn useless LOL.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
It sounds to me like the change has less to do with the content of the original acronym but more to do with the original acronym sounding bizarre to native English speakers. I understand what it's supposed to mean, but the execution still feels a bit silly.
I don't think BLADE alone is enough evidence to suggest that the localization is going to focus less on the game's possible themes and references.
You can say the same about the search for "skell", which shows a bunch of high school goth-wave flaming skull drawings. XCX shows up as on option only because that was the name chosen here.
I'd also imagine that people who are buying a game starring giant mechs would have some familiarity with popular mecha anime. Wing is easily one of the more popular mecha anime in the US (next to Robotech and Eva).
RPGCrazied
Member
Google skell
, but yeah, I know they are just abbreviating Skeleton.Doll/Mech/Frame/Gear sounds way better though.
Gardios
Member
uh, what? Land Bank and Colepedian both sound nonsensical as hell and don't really mean anything, Mediators is less awkward than Companion and has more relation to what you'll actually be doing on sidequests and the rest just sound like the localization team is trying to make them sound like actual jobs.
I can understand the desire to keep as much of the original vision and themes of the JP version intact as possible but I feel there are better ways of doing that than retaining clumsy acronyms and nonsensical terminology.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Google skell
Doll/Mech/Frame/Gear sounds way better though.
Skell is okay and way better than doll and after the game launches no one will ever talk about all the changes they made ever again.
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Deleted member 17706
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Turning stuff that sounds awkward and nonsensical in English into more natural expressions that make sense is pandering to idiots... OK.
Obviously, none of the words make sense without explanation to Japanese players, either, but that culture is much more readily accepting of made up bananas English words.
People who are going to follow the localization of a game and nitpick changes by comparing glossary terms to direct translations of the Japanese on GameFAQs or wherever are just not a big audience. I feel like they would be better served by learning Japanese and playing the game in that language, honestly.
Depends on what changes NoA is planning to make. If I can't have my entire party as a bunch of dudes in swimsuits because all the skimpy armor themes were taken out for being "sexy" I'm gonna be mad.
CAAAAAAAAAAAW
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BLADE was formed after their arrival on Mira, the Earthlife Colonization Project(or whatever they call it) was the organization they started on Earth. Specifically, the words forming BLADE
were spoken by one of the members of the ECP who had some crucial role in developing technology for the exodus, I'm assuming they were either a Doll/Skell engineer or someone involved in the Life stuff.
Yes, it costs a bit of ingame cash to switch, higher or lower amounts depending on how high or low the one you're switching to is ranked at that moment.
They don't really tell you anything about what they actually do, they're just vague words that may or may not have something to do with some aspect of their job.
That's their Union(Division?) Support effect. I'm still not entirely sure how those work, but other players can activate it by talking to your character copy that appears in the fields and stuff, and then ??? happens and people get some special effects that happen during battles.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I'm pleasantly surprised they started the marketing this early, albeit it's what monklifthsoft did for Japan
RPGCrazied
Member
Wonder if they will bother with a TV commercial. Probably not, shit is expensive.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I always find it cute that japan finds the English language so cool, even when it doesn't make any lick of sense.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I'm pretty sure they wil, xenoblade is a game that they need to recoup costs on, japan didn't do jack shit despite decent marketing there, however I'm pretty sure this was always meant with western audiences in mind. Hell, it's probably getting one of thr bigger marketing budgets of the year for nintendo since is going for the holiday slot, they even said to share it to not only friends but family in this video so they're probably targeting more than just the hardcore.
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Deleted member 17706
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That's the whole point for their market, though. For most people, the words just sound cool and foreign, like made up words you'd find in a fantasy novel.
This looks incredibly overwhelming.
I haven't been paying attention since a good while on this game, can someone explain to me the online components? If I recall, you can't just roam freely around with your buddies, right? You join them or a group for a specific task and then go back?
I haven't been paying attention since a good while on this game, can someone explain to me the online components? If I recall, you can't just roam freely around with your buddies, right? You join them or a group for a specific task and then go back?
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Everything about this game looks amazing, but oh man I just hate the soundtrack. Enough that it might actually prevent me from buying the game if the songs with vocalists and JPop is really prevalent.
I haven't been too happy with Nintendo's quantity of output this year but between this, Splatoon, and Mario Maker, the quality is going to be very hard to argue with. I love, love, love, love the city setting. Not enough future-like JRPGs and certainly not enough where the city actually feels realized.
CAAAAAAAAAAAW
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So, they really are calling the monsters "indigens." They also seem to be calling the Overed "Tyrants."
After a certain amount of squad stuff has been completed globally(or regionally?), World Enemies show up. They're basically squad quests where you tackle a single boss, available all the time until enough have been defeated.
You get put in a squad(group of up to 32 other players) each time you load up the game, but you can change your squad through the pause menu too. You can also choose to join squads your friends are already in. You can see all of the play awards people in your squad get, and every ~hour or so a mission will pop up in the corner with a certain number of enemy types/specific enemies/unique monsters/collectable types/specific collectables that each member of the squad can kill/collect to contribute to. Each time one of the parts of the mission is completed(there are five per mission), a squad quest becomes available in the Home/Barracks, that members of the squad can either do together, or use their offline party to complete. Finishing the missions and quests give reward tickets to everyone in the squad(more for the players who actually completed the tasks), which you can use to trade in for enemy drops. Finishing all five mission parts and all of the quests that pop up for that mission will complete the entire thing, and give everyone a decent chunk of tickets.
After a certain amount of squad stuff has been completed globally(or regionally?), World Enemies show up. They're basically squad quests where you tackle a single boss, available all the time until enough have been defeated.
Your home is the "Barracks", a separate area accessible from the BLADE/Administrative District. You can customize color schemes and lighting and stuff for your room there, along with Doll/Skell customization and repair/refueling and the online console. There's also a section where you can display holofigures, which you get from doing quests, filling in the collepedia, and killing unique monsters.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Are they crazy? This game is still three months away!!!! And they're posting HYPE videos!
Seriously, just mean. Post some HYPE videos for something else!
Seriously, just mean. Post some HYPE videos for something else!
Or you could, you know, take 5 seconds and the tiniest amount of effort to learn someyhing new, that you didnt existed previously. Tetsuya Takahashi is not some jibberish spewing anime writer. The man has degrees in philosophy, and when he gives a lecture, people listen, because it is fascinating, and he is damn good. But no, go ahead and keep tginking you know that jes just an idiot who uses cool sounding words because hes too stupid and japanese to 'make sense'.
The Term Logos is an important term in philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion, and if this Xenogame is anything like the previous one, and gears, it will involve multiple meanings of the word and concepts of its theme. Or would have, as it looks so far, we will probably be losing all ACTUAL religious, philosophical, and psychological themes, to cool sounding nonsense, so as not to make the idiots feel uncomfortable by requiring knowledge, or the capability to persue knowledge, of certain subject matter.
For its use in blade the word Logos, uses its most obvious face value, its most commonly known usage and context: The Word/Design of God. Of coutse other contexts, particularly Jungian will also be part of the grand scheme... But this is more than enough.
They will, through technology, throughvtheir own sheer force of will, emancipate themselves from the word of God. From Gods Design. From their natural, genetic limits as human beings.
The very base theme, of every single xenogame.
And Yes, you willfully refused, you put actual EFFORT into refusing knowledge, in order to comfortably continue bitching and whining.
LegendofLex
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Yeah, but if you're going to go that far, the writing team could have come up with an acronym that actually might have been likely, acceptable, and palatable among real-life Americans.
Not to mention that even without the "logos" mention, the sentiment is still present in the "Building a Legacy After the Destruction of Earth" acronym. You'll see their legacy take shape over the course of the game, and I'm sure you don't need an acronym to actually get the base themes across.
Weltall Zero
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I didn't know what a land bank was before googling it right now, and I'm not sure it means what they think, but I know what a Prospector is. Colepedian is a made-up word and it sounds what one would call a beetle enthusiast, but Curator exists. And Testament is not a name that makes sense for a person, no matter what Guilty Gear would make you believe.
These are all changes for the better, spectacularly so in the case of BLADE. I don't like Dolls or Skells (for different reasons each) but we're running out of words to call mecha (I just wish they could reuse Gears).
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Deleted member 17706
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I feel sorry that you see other people's view points as "bitching and whining." Not much discussion to be had with you if that's your attitude.
I understand the idea behind the Japanese acronym. It's unfortunate that it is a Monkey Apple Carburetor-levels of nonsense in English. That's what happens when you decide the letters in the acronym first, then find words in a language that isn't your native tongue to fit that acronym.
It's fine in Japanese since those words aren't Japanese. The awkwardness isn't conveyed to anyone that isn't proficient in English. It doesn't sound bananas crazy, but perhaps even cool. That is completely lost on native English speakers.
So then it comes down to priorities. Do you want the name of your main organization in the game, ostensibly created by English speakers from Earth, to be embarrassingly and laughably ridiculous merely for the off chance that some passionate fans might piece together your linguistic garbage to derive some kind of meaning, or do you want to go with a more natural-sounding name (within the restrictions of keeping the acronym "BLADE" as-is), and find other opportunities to explain the underlying concept?
I certainly know which path I would take. Being laughed at by your audience is not what you want when trying to convey a profound concept.
I appreciate your concern for the purity of the script and the themes that it's trying to express. But there are far better ways to get across philosophical concepts than via an acronym. Your own analysis of the background and applications of Monadism in Xenoblade Chronicles shows that. Expressing these things through story and setting is very effective. Expressing it through an acronym and nonlethally crucifying JuChu yet again is Xenobullshit.
It makes sorta sense? If we go with Logos as the Greek "Word," which was used heavily in early Christianity. Then it kind of comes to a "screw destiny" reading, like "Beyond the Word we (Artificially) Emancipate ourselves from Destiny."
So it could be a lot worse
The original words for BLADE make it sound like whoever founded it (in-game) is an anti-religious fanatic. Surprising that the rest of the characters in New Los Angeles would be following such a person.
The new meaning of BLADE on the other hand, does sound like its about re-building out of defiance of everything that was lost.
The new meaning of BLADE on the other hand, does sound like its about re-building out of defiance of everything that was lost.
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Deleted member 17706
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It makes sorta sense? If we go with Logos as the Greek "Word," which was used heavily in early Christianity. Then it kind of comes to a "screw destiny" reading, like "Beyond the Word we (Artificially) Emancipate ourselves from Destiny."
So it could be a lot worse
Really couldn't be much worse in my opinion. I'm not talking about the meaning, but the words they chose to use.
Especially for Americans, "emancipate" is so heavily associated with the Emancipation Proclamation and slavery in general that you're immediately asking for trouble right there. To "artificially emancipate" would be a "wut?" phrase in and of itself, but to turn that into a noun? There aren't enough cringes.
There are any number of ways to convey the idea that this group was created in the face of nearly assured extinction so that they could collectively deny the path that God had ostensibly set for them and forge a new destiny for humanity. In that sense, the original definition of BLADE is about as bad as you can get. In provokes awkwardness and laughter in the face of what is supposed to be a very serious thing.
pinkurocket
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Disappointed these aren't presented by Lin and Tatsu like the Japanese directs.
The game looks so good still, I really can't wait to play it and explore that world.
The game looks so good still, I really can't wait to play it and explore that world.