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[Xaero Gravity]

Whenever I make a female character, I give her the biggest boobies possible, so this news saddens me.

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I like boobies.

 

[Clefargle]

It's a titty and realistic game

 

[Garlador]

Whenever I make a female character, I give her the biggest boobies possible, so this news saddens me.

Spoiler

I like boobies.

I'm going to go on a boob tangent here.

Big boobs are not obscene, anymore than any other size. HOW they're displayed, however, can make a big difference.

One thing that always amused me is that my favorite fighting game girl is Chun-li.

Her official measurements are: 88cm, 58cm, 90cm

Then you have Mai from Fatal Fury.

Her official measurements are: 87cm, 55cm, 91cm

Chun-li rocks a marginally bigger chest, yet most people focus on her thighs and legs, while Mai has a smaller chest but her bosom is what her design is most famous for.

I always found it interesting how Chun-li was "larger", yet the way she was presented in media and games rarely accentuated her rather impressive and endowed bosom. I almost never hear people talk about her boobs like people talk about Mai's because of the way the characters dress and are advertised are dissimilar.

(er, for the most part)

Meanwhile, Ivy from Soul Calibur has a 100cm chest... Her poor spine.

Anyway, that's a long-winded way of saying I actually have created a lot of characters with large chests that I felt looked "right" for the build of my characters without just being big for the sake of it. I wouldn't look at Chun-li's portrayals in the games and call her design "pervy" just because she rocks a D-cup.

 

[Palculator]

You talk about not being treated like a kid and having your content "PG'd" to your tastes. But you're also not the only player. NoA made a decision, maybe one day they'll shed light on exactly WHY (whether it's game reach with a more "PG" title, or certain laws, or "making the SJWs happy" or whatever).

You're still misunderstanding. I don't need or want games to be altered to my tastes or sensibilities specifically, I don't want them altered at all. You're the one advocating them being changed to your taste and my entire point is I'm a normal adult who is capable of being exposed to thoughts and concepts they might disagree (maybe even find gross or offensive) with and don't want a company doing so on my behalf. Obviously, even before development of a game starts, a bunch of offensive concepts are ruled out and would never make it into a game. But in cases like these where a finished game is altered there's the implicit assertion that I need to be protected from it.

You do have a point about the PG-ness, since obviously children are less capable of independent thought. It might explain changes for T-rated games like these, but doesn't really address the complaints I have with censorship on the whole.

It's great that guys are happy with boob sliders, but this was a shitty isolation that focused SPECIFICALLY on women and SPECIFICALLY on women's breasts to appease to fans who like that thing; not height, not muscle size (daresay to appeal to female fans who gawk at men). The game hasn't even restricted you to the smallest breast size, they gave an "average" size (which is still nice and big IMO).

Please read properly. Both me and theSlacker pointed out that this change specifically is only minor and are complaining about the underlying principle that -- at least in my case of multiple decades of arbitrary and ridiculous changes -- we consider annoying and wrong. You're still obsessed with the small detail of breast size, which I specifically pointed out in the original post to be insignifcant in the big picture. It's not about me wanting to change a character's breasts -- I'll probably play a male character and don't even consider cup size all too important in terms of attractiveness, so statements like "the game hasn't even restricted you to the smallest breast size" are completely irrelevant to the discussion (nice presumption that I must be into big tits because I'm a bloke, by the way.)

Also, a lot of these post ignore what women might think, y'know, the gender actually in question here, because I guess men must have their big-tittied women unrestricted to them. But to hell with what women think. Unless the stereotype of single gamers is true and need a virtual girl to look at. ;P

Dumb and condescending. Nothing I've expressed is specific to either gender, big-tittied women are still in the game, and describing this game's content as a sort of girlfriend prosthetic is just trying to ridicule people into submission because you lack an argument beyond "gross."

";P"

 

[MikeSan]

Nintendo, are you fucking serious ?

You make a localisation of a game like Senran Kagura without asking for any changes and that's okay, but for your own game you do this bullshit ?

 

[Ridley327]

Nintendo, are you fucking serious ?

You make a localisation of a game like Senran Kagura without asking for any changes and that's okay, but for your own game you do this bullshit ?

What did they have to do with Senran Kagura? Why would they ask for changes on a game they had nothing to do with?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Also, a lot of these post ignore what women might think, y'know, the gender actually in question here, because I guess men must have their big-tittied women unrestricted to them. But to hell with what women think. Unless the stereotype of single gamers is true and need a virtual girl to look at. ;P

Well, here's the view of at least one woman in this very thread

Wait what the hell?

As a woman this pisses me off. Having small boobs or big boobs doesn't mean your any lesser or greater and I should be able to adjust my bust size if I so feel the need to do so.

As has been mentioned already, something like The Sims even has a breast slider, and that's a franchise that's extremely popular among women. You can't just dismiss such a feature as being something to pander to men.

 

[mothball]

You're still misunderstanding. I don't need or want games to be altered to my tastes or sensibilities specifically, I don't want them altered at all. You're the one advocating them being changed to your taste and my entire point is I'm a normal adult who is capable of being exposed to thoughts and concepts they might disagree (maybe even find gross or offensive) with and don't want a company doing so on my behalf. Obviously, even before development of a game starts, a bunch of offensive concepts are ruled out and would never make it into a game. But in cases like these where a finished game is altered there's the implicit assertion that I need to be protected from it.

You do have a point about the PG-ness, since obviously children are less capable of independent thought. It might explain changes for T-rated games like these, but doesn't really address the complaints I have with censorship on the whole.


Please read properly. Both me and theSlacker pointed out that this change specifically is only minor and are complaining about the underlying principle that -- at least in my case of multiple decades of arbitrary and ridiculous changes -- we consider annoying and wrong. You're still obsessed with the small detail of breast size, which I specifically pointed out in the original post to be insignifcant in the big picture. It's not about me wanting to change a character's breasts -- I'll probably play a male character and don't even consider cup size all too important in terms of attractiveness, so statements like "the game hasn't even restricted you to the smallest breast size" are completely irrelevant to the discussion (nice presumption that I must be into big tits because I'm a bloke, by the way.)

Dumb and condescending. Nothing I've expressed is specific to either gender, big-tittied women are still in the game, and describing this game's content as a sort of girlfriend prosthetic is just trying to ridicule people into submission because you lack an argument beyond "gross."

";P"

Good post.

The very last part is especially great in the face of them completely ignoring the women who do speak out against the change, as they tend to do.

 

[Forkball]

I wonder if Japan will think, "Why do all the American players I see online have the same boob size?"

 

[Mik317]

and if it really was removed to prevent the pervs from perving it up...then they failed.

The very boogeymen people seem to be doing all of these changes to get rid of...are still being served. Yeah he/she can't create tiny small chested or big chested girls and put them in revealing stuff anymore...but they can still do so with "average sized ones". Perverts don't need much....

So even if the boob slider was ONLY there for sexualization (which is dumb and I can't believe people are arguing it)...getting rid of it doesn't really change as much as you all seem to think

 

[Akibared]

Unless the stereotype of single gamers is true and need a virtual girl to look at. ;P

I have to ask what does someones relationship status have to do with this at all? Are you implying that if I was currently in one

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I don't want to be in one right now

I wouldn't care about this boob slider? I feel like you throw your whole opinion out the window when you start insulting people like that.

 

[Weltall Zero]

I thought we were talking about a male analogy to a boob slider. What were you talking about?

Breasts as a fundamental feature to distinguish females. You know, as per the post I replied to?

Breasts are a pretty big distinguishing feature for human females.

The argument that something has to be put in there "to make up" for the lack of facial hair options, and that this something must obviously be boob size because they are fundamental to a female's visual identity (again, in a game that literally doesn't even let you adjust your height, weight, body type, muscles, etc.) is so fucking ridiculous that I admit I'm getting a kick out of people trying to defend it. Hell, even games that go the beaten path of offering makeup and earrings as that (unnecessary) alternative seem less sexist.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

 

[Almond]

You talk about not being treated like a kid and having your content "PG'd" to your tastes. But you're also not the only player. NoA made a decision, maybe one day they'll shed light on exactly WHY (whether it's game reach with a more "PG" title, or certain laws, or "making the SJWs happy" or whatever).

It's great that guys are happy with boob sliders, but this was a shitty isolation that focused SPECIFICALLY on women and SPECIFICALLY on women's breasts to appease to fans who like that thing; not height, not muscle size (daresay to appeal to female fans who gawk at men). The game hasn't even restricted you to the smallest breast size, they gave an "average" size (which is still nice and big IMO). Also, a lot of these post ignore what women might think, y'know, the gender actually in question here, because I guess men must have their big-tittied women unrestricted to them. But to hell with what women think. Unless the stereotype of single gamers is true and need a virtual girl to look at. ;P

There are other women in this very topic saying what they think, but you seem to have missed them (or are ignoring them...), and some of those women, including me, are confused/bothered by the bust slider being removed.

 

[Karsticles]

Can you choose the MCs combat style in this game?

 

[Ridley327]

Can you choose the MCs combat style in this game?

The underlying principle of the combat remains the same (pull out a gun for ranged attacks, pull out a melee weapon for close-range attacks, access to an arts palette for special moves for both), but there are different job classes you can have that will offer up specializations based on your combat preferences. I don't think those are unlocked right away, but I think the idea is that you're supposed to get familiar with the general aspects of the combat before diving into the more customized approach.

 

[PtM]

Arguing that something that is possibly enjoyable by straight men inherently leaves a "bad impression" is unreasonable and doesn't address their complaint about removal of customisation options based on this weird "all or nothing" logic regarding body diversity. Nor does removing the breast slider avoid any of the "bad impressions" people like you would have from the revealing armour sets in this game.

Not that I think the breast slider was included to promote body diversity (lol) but its removal is still an annoying, overreactive reduction of features.

I understood "help anything" as absolute.
Also, shove your "people like you" up yours.

Now I can't un-see it.

This is a great post that seems to have been ignored. Just wanted to let you know it wasn't. Bolded part is the exact problem I have with this kind of thing. I don't really care about being able to pick breast size, it's the fact that the choice itself was removed when it was there before because of other people deciding what was offensive for me/my region.

Censorship whining on principle is the worst.


By the way, can we have an example of that fixed breast size? Preferably in the OP?

 

[Mik317]

Breasts as a fundamental feature to distinguish females. You know, as per the post I replied to?



The argument that something has to be put in there "to make up" for the lack of facial hair options, and that this something must obviously be boob size because they are fundamental to a female's visual identity (again, in a game that literally doesn't even let you adjust your height, weight, body type, muscles, etc.) is so fucking ridiculous that I admit I'm getting a kick out of people trying to defend it. Hell, even games that go the beaten path of offering makeup and earrings as that (unnecessary) alternative seem less sexist.

You take the male and female silhouettes and tell me what generally separates them? The Waists and the chest. And between women, the chest (and waist) further differentiates. I don't see how this is that hard to grasp. Yes there are other features that seperates folks but just in general that is the easiest difference. You learn this in many art classes FFS.

Yes there was no waist slider or pecs, weight or whatever slider so yeah some people cannot create themselves either and that sucks..however there WAS a breast slider which allowed for some to be able to create themselves. Whether or not the devs intended it for "LOL LOOK AT DEM BOOBEHS" is irrelevant since now taking it out takes away from the group that had the ability to create themselves or whatever.

i am sure there are those who would only use it for perversion, no doubt. But considering that group still can..whereas the group that was going to use it for more detail now cannot. That sucks.

It really sounds like "well I wasn't being catered too so its good that others aren't too...but I'll use the evil perverts and deviants as my reasoning because no one cares about them". Sometimes I really feel like people are more upset that they aren't being directly catered to but instead of saying that and looking kinda selfish they instead make it into social issue because anyone who dissagrees w/ that looks bad. Like instead of "damn I wish this thing was for me", its "I wish this thing was less sexist" The first one is easy to dismiss with a deal w/ it. The second not so much because deal with it makes you look like a big asshole.

In this case, while despite my multiple posts and rants is not a big deal (I am mainly bored so bare w/ me lol), its funny that some are arguing that by getting rid of an option , it is making it more equal ignoring the fact that the only group really effected are the very people you are "fighting for". Even if the boob slider was only for deviants, the good aspect of that (i.e giving females a little bit of accuracy in a game that lacks it overall) is gone by getting rid of it while those same deviants probably still can get their rocks off regardless. Its is solving a problem with a blowtorch and missing the intended target and instead of the "equality" it is supposed to bring, it pushes out more folks. If you really want to stop sexualization, they should have edited all the costumes...

 

[Palculator]

Censorship whining on principle is the worst.

Because the principle is fine if it's used to suppress things you dislike?

 

[theSlacker]

Censorship whining on principle is the worst.

Do you honestly lack perspective or is this healthy hyperbole?

Either way thanks for your constructive criticism.

 

[Yarbskoo]

Breasts as a fundamental feature to distinguish females. You know, as per the post I replied to?



The argument that something has to be put in there "to make up" for the lack of facial hair options, and that this something must obviously be boob size because they are fundamental to a female's visual identity (again, in a game that literally doesn't even let you adjust your height, weight, body type, muscles, etc.) is so fucking ridiculous that I admit I'm getting a kick out of people trying to defend it. Hell, even games that go the beaten path of offering makeup and earrings as that (unnecessary) alternative seem less sexist.

I think you might be getting it backwards. I'm not suggesting that female characters should have a boob slider because they don't get facial hair. The post I was replying to was suggesting males should get another slider because they don't get a boob slider. The thing is, there really is no option that "evens it out". Stuff like muscle sliders should apply to both sexes, and a dong slider would hardly make any difference visually with most outfits. Really the only visible feature that's exclusive to males and is as variable as breasts would be facial hair, and there's already options for that.

Blame evolution for not giving us cool antlers or something.

 

[PtM]

Because the principle is fine if it's used to suppress things you dislike?

Do you honestly lack perspective or is this healthy hyperbole?

Either way thanks for your constructive criticism.

CC: Don't whine if it's not worth it.

 

[Cloyster]

 

[theSlacker]

CC: Don't whine if it's not worth it.

Alternative course of action: Whine now before it reaches something that is of more worth.

Think I posted before that this is a good place to fight on since it matters so little while still representing the principle that I am against. I do however thank you for clarifying your position though since I thought it was just a drive by by the last post.

 

[Dice//]

I like how you seem to be speaking for all women and have ignored what other women have said in this very same thread about how they like to make their characters look. This topic isn't "just about the guys and their interests", nor was the slider "just" to make large breasted characters, considering the slider did more than just go up.

I like how you're speaking for all men then?? I never claimed to speak for all women, but as a women the issue reflects me, of course there will be differences of opinion, get to an actual argument about what i'm saying though and stop focusing on me.

 

[Palculator]

CC: Don't whine if it's not worth it.

That's not the question I was asking. It was about you being fine with censorship because you happen to find what's being censored distasteful -- a stance you've cemented by calling the expression of discontent worthless. And yet you were still defending its removal earlier. If it's worth it to "whine" about its removal being fine, it's in turn worth it to "whine" about it not being.

Oh wow, lol. Wasn't even aware of this.

but as a women the issue reflects me, of course there will be differences of opinion, get to an actual argument about what i'm saying though and stop focusing on me.

But you're also not the only player. NoA made a decision, maybe one day they'll shed light on exactly WHY (whether it's game reach with a more "PG" title, or certain laws, or "making the SJWs happy" or whatever).

 

[Karsticles]

The underlying principle of the combat remains the same (pull out a gun for ranged attacks, pull out a melee weapon for close-range attacks, access to an arts palette for special moves for both), but there are different job classes you can have that will offer up specializations based on your combat preferences. I don't think those are unlocked right away, but I think the idea is that you're supposed to get familiar with the general aspects of the combat before diving into the more customized approach.

Is the job system for everyone, or just MC?

 

[ShinRPGamer]

You talk about not being treated like a kid and having your content "PG'd" to your tastes. But you're also not the only player. NoA made a decision, maybe one day they'll shed light on exactly WHY (whether it's game reach with a more "PG" title, or certain laws, or "making the SJWs happy" or whatever).

Somehow, I doubt Nintendo will ever give an official comment on this. I can't remember the last time they commented on something that was considered censorship to some people.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Well, here's the view of at least one woman in this very thread



As has been mentioned already, something like The Sims even has a breast slider, and that's a franchise that's extremely popular among women. You can't just dismiss such a feature as being something to pander to men.

And as has been mentioned when it was brought up before, The Sims is a game built around creating characters, has a robust system that covers just about every possible slider you could build into a character creator, and it all applies to both sexes. They're simply not comparable, and not for some sinister "no one questions games that women like" reason.

 

[Mik317]

And as has been mentioned when it was brought up before, The Sims is a game built around creating characters, has a robust system that covers just about every possible slider you could build into a character creator, and it all applies to both sexes. They're simply not comparable, and not for some sinister "no one questions games that women like" reason.

the fact that the system is not a robust does not make it okay to remove something that was in. People are acting like people are asking for it to be added for the first time. If XCX launched in Japan as the version we would get..while sure some would wine, it would be fine over all. But that is not the case.

People are legit arguing that less is better and fair..when it isn't on either case. Not a big deal (have to keep saying this less I am painted as a boob loving nerd who only wants boobs because fap fap fap) but there really shouldn't be an defense of its removal

 

[WarioFan63]

Alternative course of action: Whine now before it reaches something that is of more worth.

I feel like that kind of plan is based on too many what if's. "What if changing this means they change that?" Thats really the problem I see a lot in these recent threads about Nintendo's localization changes. That there are people that think the new alternatives look better but still feel the need to be against it.

It just sounds like a contradictory mindset to me.

And the whole idea of "We have to say something now or else something bad might happen later" doesn't make sense to me either. Why not wait until something that makes a bigger impact happens before taking the stand? Doing it for these kind of changes just comes off as really petty. I know the line of thinking is if you take a stand now that increases the chances of preventing it in the future, but still it just looks like you're fighting over nothing.

 

[SixMachine]

And as has been mentioned when it was brought up before, The Sims is a game built around creating characters, has a robust system that covers just about every possible slider you could build into a character creator, and it all applies to both sexes. They're simply not comparable, and not for some sinister "no one questions games that women like" reason.

I dunno man, this logic doesn't sit right to me. Just because one game does something much better like character creation, doesn't mean another is not okay to have a rudimentary feature of it. Many games have more limited mechanics than others, but that doesn't stop them from trying it in the first place. Also because women would have boob sliders and men don't have some pec slider, doesn't seem right to take the one thing away just to make it so there is parity on both sides. The game is losing something, no matter how small, instead of what should be ideally opposite, which is gaining more options for a gender parity.

 

[rpmurphy]

By the way, can we have an example of that fixed breast size? Preferably in the OP?

Here are pictures I grabbed from the video: http://imgur.com/a/QZVBe

 

[Palculator]

And the whole idea of "We have to say something now or else something bad might happen later" doesn't make sense to me either. Why not wait until something that makes a bigger impact happens before taking the stand? Doing it for these kind of changes just comes off as really petty. I know the line of thinking is if you take a stand now that increases the chances of preventing it in the future, but still it just looks like you're fighting over nothing.

Because some might have had to deal with much more severe censorship, the restrictions of which have only been loosened very recently and this new backlash against very minor things like a breast slider just seem reggressive, pointless and counter to prior efforts made to get rid of heavier censorship.

 

[Ragnorok64]

Who do we tweet at to try and get this patched back in?

 

[Pokemaniac]

The amount of changes like this that NoA has been making lately is getting a bit worrying. This one in particular seems very pointless. It really makes me wonder what they're even trying to accomplish here.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

Man if I had known NoA'd be turning back into 90s level "deciding to change our own content because it's our right to" (for lack of a better word these days) I honestly would've bought a Japanese Wii U ages ago. I also would've been able to get to buy the game months earlier had I known!

Please dear god Nintendo don't continue with region locking next gen, that's all I really ask and then I'll just bypass your stupid, stupid decisions to baby me.

 

[pinkurocket]

As has been mentioned already, something like The Sims even has a breast slider, and that's a franchise that's extremely popular among women. You can't just dismiss such a feature as being something to pander to men.

But the important distinction is that The Sims allows you to customize a lot of things about the body of your character, especially Sims 4. Bust, waist, hips etc. In Xenoblade X you can only change height and boobs. That's it. The male character only has height.

 

[PtM]

That's not the question I was asking. It was about you being fine with censorship because you happen to find what's being censored distasteful -- a stance you've cemented by calling the expression of discontent worthless. And yet you were still defending its removal earlier. If it's worth it to "whine" about its removal being fine, it's in turn worth it to "whine" about it not being.

Yes to the original question. I'm fine with "censorship" I agree with.
The "low worth" comment was in response to you not really caring for the change, but for the "censorship" per se. It annoys me. Speaking of which…

the fact that the system is not a robust does not make it okay to remove something that was in. People are acting like people are asking for it to be added for the first time. If XCX launched in Japan as the version we would get..while sure some would wine, it would be fine over all. But that is not the case.

See, this is just bullshit. "Wah, I want what they have!" You don't crave for a waist slider just because you didn't get to see a design document on it? But if you get to see something and then taken away, that's when hell breaks loose?

Here are pictures I grabbed from the video: http://imgur.com/a/QZVBe

Thanks, good work.

I dunno man, this logic doesn't sit right to me. Just because one game does something much better like character creation, doesn't mean another is not okay to have a rudimentary feature of it. Many games have more limited mechanics than others, but that doesn't stop them from trying it in the first place. Also because women would have boob sliders and men don't have some pec slider, doesn't seem right to take the one thing away just to make it so there is parity on both sides. The game is losing something, no matter how small, instead of what should be ideally opposite, which is gaining more options for a gender parity.

It is losing a sexist vibe.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

It is losing a sexist vibe.

It's kind of hilarious how strong the argument of "calling this censorship dilutes the meaning of the word" is when the same people don't seem to care one bit about diluting the meaning of "sexist".

 

[Ridley327]

Is the job system for everyone, or just MC?

I want to say it's just for the MC, but I could be wrong.

 

[spyroflame0487]

PREORDER CANCELED.
I was honestly just gonna make a female because it was kind of fun to play as Sharla and Melia in XC and thought it would be fun to do so again. I was planning on making ridiculously sexy outfits to have a good laugh at it when playing with my buddies online.

All this has done has made me say OK. I'm gonna play as a male, make it look like me best I can and probably give it Yuri's voice.

I...really hope no one is outraged about this. It's not really a big deal. I think a bust slider was probably silly in the first place, and considering how Nintnedo is portrayed over here it makes sense they'd drop it. Plus you just KNOW someone would have had a fit about it over here, and blew it up to ridiculous proportions so that's all you'd see on video game news sites for weeks.

 

[Palculator]

I'm fine with "censorship" I agree with.

Just gonna highlight this statement.

 

[Chronoman]

I am in the who cares camp. The game looks amazing anyway

 

[SixMachine]

It is losing a sexist vibe.

Thinking about statements like this makes me think of some questions though, since it seems it has a vigilant mindset for the social issues at hand. Is the breast slider in itself sexist, even though the counterpoint of the Sims has it? I know people have brought up the many other features that CC has compared to Xenoblade X, but in itself just having the option, say if Sims was a more limited game, are breasts just a "no touch" issue? And to incorporate it, would it necessitate the requirement of other CC features, sort of like how Dragon's Dogma lets you basically have a vast amounts of body types and even breast sizes.

In my opinion, the reason I can see breasts might be such a focal point of a CC compared to some other features for body modification is because it is a prominent part of the anatomy. By that I mean when you look at a women's profile, it does show her breast size and shape. In many 3rd person views breast can be seen more prominently than many other features, especially in many games where you create a face and end up putting a helmet for 90% of the game (I like the hide helmet option in many MMOs). Body stature is another huge thing to take notice at a glance when looking at a model to help differentiate men and women, but sadly many games don't allow much modification in that area (though more MMOs and RPGs like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, and Dragon's Dogma Off/Online allow pretty significant changes).

And another thing that got me thinking are those that recommend bulge sliders, a lot of those recommendations seem in jest, but thinking it through seems like it would rather unsatisfactory if it were meant to reach parity with the female customization. Breast shape generally can be seen with various outfits, while a man's bulge usually is much easier to hide. I try to imagine a third person view, and see if it would stick out the most, and even in games like Saints Row, the bulge view is easily lost upon the eye and obviously not as prominent as breasts on a female model. I don't think any game make tight outfits bind breast or even make something like a Sarashi (the white cloth worn under things like kimonos over the chest) work like real life. And about bulges, whenever a man has a boner in public, or wearing tight pants that outline his genitals, many men and women I've known ridicule that, so in a way I don't know if it would actually bring the same titillation. In private, like watching porn, maybe they really like it, but in public it doesn't seem much of an accepted part of someone's visual identity.

 

[Hours Left]

@Hours Left: http://www.would-of.com

I'm sorry, I was really tired. D:

 

[PtM]

Thinking about statements like this makes me think of some questions though, since it seems it has a vigilant mindset for the social issues at hand. Is the breast slider in itself sexist, even though the counterpoint of the Sims has it? I know people have brought up the many other features that CC has compared to Xenoblade X, but in itself just having the option, say if Sims was a more limited game, are breasts just a "no touch" issue? And to incorporate it, would it necessitate the requirement of other CC features, sort of like how Dragon's Dogma lets you basically have a vast amounts of body types and even breast sizes.

In my opinion, the reason I can see breasts might be such a focal point of a CC compared to some other features for body modification is because it is a prominent part of the anatomy. By that I mean when you look at a women's profile, it does show her breast size and shape. In many 3rd person views breast can be seen more prominently than many other features, especially in many games where you create a face and end up putting a helmet for 90% of the game (I like the hide helmet option in many MMOs). Body stature is another huge thing to take notice at a glance when looking at a model to help differentiate men and women, but sadly many games don't allow much modification in that area (though more MMOs and RPGs like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, and Dragon's Dogma Off/Online allow pretty significant changes).

And another thing that got me thinking are those that recommend bulge sliders, a lot of those recommendations seem in gest, but thinking it through seems like it would rather unsatisfactory if it were meant to reach parity with the female customization. Breast shape generally can be seen with various outfits, while a man's bulge usually is much easier to hide. I try to imagine a third person view, and see if it would stick out the most, and even in games like Saints Row, the bulge view is easily lost upon the eye and obviously not as prominent as breasts on a female model. I don't think any game make tight outfits bind breast or even make something like a Sarashi (the white cloth worn under things like kimonos over the chest) work like real life. And about bulges, whenever a man has a boner in public, or wearing tight pants that outline his genitals, many men and women I've known ridicule that, so in a way I don't know if it would actually bring the same titillation. In private, like watching porn, maybe they really like it, but in public it doesn't seem much of an accepted part of someone's visual identity.

Breasts aren't much more prominent than butt, belly, skeleton and whathaveyou, as long as they're not overly big. They are more prominent to the male gaze, though. You can still distinguish a flat woman from a dude just fine, there's more to it than chest.
As I said before, the bust slider being almost standalone, and then in a game with "sexy" gear, does make its intent look questionable.
Also, clothes in videogames could hide breasts much better than they do most of the times (even though probably not as good as hiding a dick bulge) they just don't do for some reason. Besides that, the bulge slider argument is stupid anyways, in this context.
Penises get ridicule out of embarassment, because people aren't accustomed to them. For some reason, they don't get as much attention as mammaries.

@Hours Left, it's okay, I find myself on the verge of typing it myself sometimes, must be its prevalence on the web.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

I like how you're speaking for all men then?? I never claimed to speak for all women, but as a women the issue reflects me, of course there will be differences of opinion, get to an actual argument about what i'm saying though and stop focusing on me.

The actual arguement is that it isn't just a character modification put in place for men, considering multiple women have also voiced their opinion that seems to be different than what yours is (most of the men questioning the decision have also voiced their opinion as something other than just wanting it because of boobs). I'm also wondering how you came up with "me speaking for all men" when nothing I said even sounded remotely like that. Unless you think that "this topic isn't just about the guys and their interests" was me doing so? Because it's clear what the actual intent here is if I'm really being called out for saying that not all men are interested in this topic.

Also, a lot of these post ignore what women might think, y'know, the gender actually in question here, because I guess men must have their big-tittied women unrestricted to them. But to hell with what women think. Unless the stereotype of single gamers is true and need a virtual girl to look at. ;P

Please don't say something like this either if you want the focus to be more than just you, it makes it clear that you've ignored what other women think about the topic and are wanting to do nothing but voice your own opinion for them. I'm honestly trying to see this quote as anything but you trying to speak for all women and get some shit talking on men in while you're at it.

 

[theSlacker]

I feel like that kind of plan is based on too many what if's. "What if changing this means they change that?" Thats really the problem I see a lot in these recent threads about Nintendo's localization changes. That there are people that think the new alternatives look better but still feel the need to be against it.

It just sounds like a contradictory mindset to me.

And the whole idea of "We have to say something now or else something bad might happen later" doesn't make sense to me either. Why not wait until something that makes a bigger impact happens before taking the stand? Doing it for these kind of changes just comes off as really petty. I know the line of thinking is if you take a stand now that increases the chances of preventing it in the future, but still it just looks like you're fighting over nothing.

That is an easy question to answer. Because much like this right now, they are very unlikely to change something back that they have already changed and decided on.

I also don't think that there are too many ifs since even though this right now is a minor thing it still represents the principle that I am fundamentally against. That I do not think it is the people who localize games job to "fix" problematic issues in games or decide what is appropriate or what would offend me. "Palculator" also does a better job at explaining this point of view then I do I believe.

I'm also not getting involved at all in the gender reasoning/discussion because I feel it has no relevance to my point of view. This doesn't really relate to you, but I am saying this in general since it is another discussion going on here. The fact that some players may "abuse" these additional options to ogle big tits, or that other people feel that there may be unfair representation between the genders in customization doses not matter to me at all because I do not believe that any of that is a good reason to cut something in the localization of a game. Because, once again, I do not believe that it is the job of the localization to "fix" what they believe is problematic or offensive.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Man those are some ugly character models.

No kidding, holy shit...