Of course they're wrong. We already know where the chips land.
No, proof of the max q not being as powerful as xsx.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Did you read what I quoted?
Says the guy trying to defend his company/console. Like I said. We have proof of what Nvidia AND AMD can do on pc's. The same can't be said about consoles. And AMD hadn't shown much of anything on pc side. And going by many years of history, AMD can't hold a candle to Nvidia in high end or enthusiast gpu's.
i thought it was common sense? my argument is that the 2080 max q is less powerful than both next gen consoles GPUs. The max q doesn’t matcha 2070, so how can it match a 12 TF GPU in the XSX?
Oh my boy I hope you remember this post, you sound just like the Intel evangelicals.
Refer to my previous post
I don't even like Intel. I already said, AMD cpu department is doing great... Gpu department on the other hand... Not so much.
All wrapped up in a far more optimized system that can outperform the equivalent PC part.
And you don't think they can come back from that? Clearly their architecture is on the right track.. They could have released a 64 CU RDNA 1.0 GPU and it would have matched the 2080 Ti in raster performance.
Well... Did they? Nvidia showed performance before RTX cards released. The only thing to go by AMD, is consoles, and by hardware stats, aren't that impressive. Nothing near the level of Nvidia's high end cards. Not only that, but AMD it's quiet as a mouse in regards to pc gpu's this generation. So again, nothing to go by, and based on history, they have not been able to complete with top of the line gpu's for MANY years now. And going by their 5700/xt... I don't have my hopes up. Driver issues out the wazoo.
Posting numbers means you are the one who has no idea what’s going on by these measures . By your measures how is the rtx 2080 is about same performance as 1080ti lol .
This is exactly the saving grace for consoles and what I said in my previous posts that Sony got talented guys . Ps5 and xsx are powerful consoles . They will produce amazing games but in terms of just power numbers and data ? They are less than 2080. And this topic was about ray tracing what happened . Ray tracing on consoles will be shit I stand by what I said lol
I've been saying TF's are the worst metric to go by, and pretty much deciphers individuals who either know what they are talking about, or have no clue. Nvidia gpu's beat cards with 2 or more TERRORFLOPS from AMD, with ease. TF count is baseless af in the realm of pc's.
And the 5700XT is neck and neck with the Radeon 7. So what should that tell you? RDNA is a better gaming graphics card than previous Vega and GCN architecture and RDNA 2 which the Series X and PS5 are based on are better than that. Series X will be better than RTX 2080.
RX 5700XT performs similar to Radeon 7
I've given up, talking to these guys is a lost cause. Nothing they're saying corresponds to computational reality.
Why not just show proof of xsx beating a 2080 max-q, 2080, 2080S, or even a 2080 TI? Wouldn't that be the easiest thing to prove, and put the ball in your court for once?
I give up . Soon you will say 5700xt is more powerful than 2080ti .
We shall see, but according to Nvidias own numbers, the XSX will have amazing RT.
These Nvidia PC guys really, really want to down play consoles it would appear.
No 2080Ti is more powerful than Series X.
wccftech.com
I've had more than double the gpu's from AMD than Nvidia. Same with cpu's. I choose performance over bending over for a certain company. For the longest AMD hasn't been able to complete with Nvidia gpu wise. I started off with AMD cpu's, transitioned to Intel, and now will be switching back to AMD. If AMD had the best gpu 2 years ago, I would have went with them. I'm not hardware agnostic like many console warriors are. I just need the best performance out there. PC doesn't operate the same way as Microsoft vs Sony. I'm not sure why many don't understand this basic concept. Pc players can play best of all worlds, pc exclusives, best of 3rd party games, and best at playing both MS and Sony exclusives. This can all be done regardless of an allegiance to any hardware manufacturer.
And yet here you are saying these things which don't make any practical sense in relation to computational tiering.
I dont know dude, you are certainly going out of your way to bend over for a certain company.
Anybody who says someone is lower class than them is trash. I'm only engaging you with the same hostility you are others. Talk to people with respect and the same courtesy will be afforded to you.
A minute ago Series X was as powerful as RTX2070 and PS5 less powerful than 5700XT. Make up your mind dude.
Says the one trying to put the Xsx over better hardware....
I had to EDIT sorry
Sometimes people only read what they want to.
If you think xsx had better raytracing, why doesn't Minecraft have all the features and benefits, or even the material qualities of pc, yet still run vastly slower? Imagine if it had all the pc features, could it even reach anywhere near 30fps? Why do console games have checkerboard rendering, while pc games run at native resolution? Why would I be triggered when I have the best experience, and will continue to through this entire gen, than a console that isn't even released yet?
hmm i choose XSX
Again, if you are using a demo knocked up by one guy over a 4 week period, compared to a beta release that has been worked on for more than a year, by hundreds of people, then it really knocks down your credibility.
You are discounting any improvenments in the tech.
He is talking about HIS SSD--for all we know he has a SATA III drive.
This is all that's available at the moment, you can't really hold it against him.
I'm not getting in this pissing contest but I will say this. There is always a price to pay for early adoption. Its awesome consoles are getting ray tracing. Its awesome they are getting ssds. Finally. We've been enjoying those for ten years. Enjoy your console. It'll be a great piece of tech at launch. Just like every other generation though it will become outdated and pc will be miles ahead.
Pc didn't need super fast ssd, though... That's why we have ram, even lower speed ram is multiple times faster than a ssd... I seriously wish people got this though there head already.... The average pc gamer has 16gb of ram, which is at least 4x faster than ps5 ssd.
And Nvidia rtx specs blew next gen consoles out there water, 2 years ago, before next gen consoles even release... You want to discredit Minecraft as a minimum release, without material based lighting, or high quality textures, yet have nothing to make up for it. Who has the better credibility now? The one who's making excuses, or the one with proof in the pudding?
It's the way it is. PC will steam ahead, consoles will be rebirthed in 6 years time, and the process will repeat.
Oh. You haven't seen AMD's RT patent? Here;
The Minecraft thing isnt helping your argument dude.
The texture has nothing to do with it. The materials do... and you know that. Stop being stupid. Notice how there's NO reflections in the Series X demo? Did you notice that? I sure did. I also noticed the amount of bounces is reduced... as is the chunk draw distance.. as are many other things.
Any other half assed examples you got? Cause one of us have an argument, the other, not so much..... You haven't helped your original post yet. No factual information, not even speculation.... No?
