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[The Faceless Master]

I gotta say how much I hate it that even major news sites now seem to highlight irrelevant news.

"OH DAMN, The PS3 is in trouble!"
"LOL, some pitcher's tatoo is causing controversy!"

"Oh....and something or other about a 700 million dollar bailout....and a huge explosion in Pakistan"

*hits up google*

*reads*

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Farnack]

:lol :lol :lol

minor firmware updates > complete software overhaul.

Proactive firmware upgrades > Something people don't even want to use

 

[The Faceless Master]

Didn't Yahoo post an article a month or so ago that said how the PS3 was making their move? Yahoo should worry about being a search engine instead of offering videogame commentaries.

the must be trying to outdo don reisinger

Proactive firmware upgrades > Something people don't even want to use

i'm pretty sure people have been wanting group chat and 16:10 support for a while

 

[Guled]

Thats bullshit. PS3 will sell several million consoles this holiday season, along with plenty of software. Nothings wrong.

come on, the 360 and Wii are going to walk all over PS3 this holiday season. Sure it will sell, but its in a competition for market share and its going to take a beating. But you know what they say, whatever dose don't kill me will only make me stronger. The PS3 will walk away to fight another day. But like I said above, even tho it will lose this fall, I think it will be in second place by the time this gen is finished

 

[No Means Nomad]

Wow, GAFers throw fits over the wildest things.

Yahoo is geared at a very broad audience, and so is the article. And it really has been awhile since we've said the PS3 is in trouble, because it clearly isn't in a very good place going into the holiday season.

It's sad really, that it takes a two minute video aimed at non-gamers in the pre-Christmas season to escape the "year of the PS3" mentality that leaves gamers so unconcerned with the future of high profile hardware.

 

[Mindlog]

Yahoo: "Dance puppets, DANCE!"

 

[Lightning]

Hmm... Sony gaming is turning profit now, I fail to see reason for throwing that away for a few more console sales that won't make any difference long term anyway.

The war is over, Wii wins while the PS3/360 are bottom feeders but have the best games for the hardcore.

 

[Private Hoffman]

come on, the 360 and Wii are going to walk all over PS3 this holiday season. Sure it will sell, but its in a competition for market share and its going to take a beating. But you know what they say, whatever dose don't kill me will only make me stronger. The PS3 will walk away to fight another day. But like I said above, even tho it will lose this fall, I think it will be in second place by the time this gen is finished

It won't take a beating any larger than what it sustained last year. Things will be a lot closer for the PS3 versus the 360 this holiday season compared to last.

 

[Farnack]

i'm pretty sure people have been wanting group chat and 16:10 support for a while

Are you sure you missed out on Avatars?

 

[Philthy]

come on, the 360 and Wii are going to walk all over PS3 this holiday season. Sure it will sell, but its in a competition for market share and its going to take a beating. But you know what they say, whatever dose don't kill me will only make me stronger. The PS3 will walk away to fight another day. But like I said above, even tho it will lose this fall, I think it will be in second place by the time this gen is finished

2008 will go down as a fantastically amazing year for the PS3. The next four are going to trump this?

 

[SIP YEK NOD]

2008 will go down as a fantastically amazing year for the PS3. The next four are going to trump this?

Yes, they are. the PS3 will likely finish in last place for the year, and it is still overpriced for the mass market.

I am willing to bet it will sell at least 50% more next year.

 

[kiUNiT]

I agree.

Also, one game alone won't do shit.

hows the buzz and preorders been for LBP at your store?

 

[Lightning]

Yes, they are. the PS3 will likely finish in last place for the year, and it is still overpriced for the mass market.

I am willing to bet it will sell at least 50% more next year.

Do people realize yet that the "mass market" only jump on the console that wins? You see, "mass market" price point didn't help the GC or the Xbox. I think it's far more likely that the "mass market" only want to own 1 console and just buy the games available for that system without caringor even researching what the other systems offer.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Yes, they are. the PS3 will likely finish in last place for the year, and it is still overpriced for the mass market.

I am willing to bet it will sell at least 50% more next year.

cmon GAF, don't disappoint me, someone has to take that to THE NEXT LEVEL

 

[seat]

Proactive firmware upgrades > Something people don't even want to use

A lot of people are looking forward to what is (hopefully) an upgrade from the blades interface.

 

[Jag22]

If the biggest winner is the "consumer" then we wouldn't be paying $250 for tech from 1999. With 60 dollar controllers, and 50 dollars a pop for Gamecube ports like Mario Strikers.

 

[The Faceless Master]

If the biggest winner is the "consumer" then we wouldn't be paying $250 for tech from 1999. With 60 dollar controllers, and 50 dollars a pop for Gamecube ports like Mario Strikers.

more consumers than ever are enjoying videogames, how is that not a win for the consumer?

 

[Maxwell House]

2.5 is rumored to have Home. So still minor?

Key word: Rumor.

 

[patsu]

Doesn't it also depend on whether Microsoft's major overhaul is good or not? Or, rather, I should say....a tremendous improvement over what they already had in terms of necessary function? They are bringing their version of Mii's and HOME with this revamp. I honestly don't think anyone really cares about that, just like I don't think most people care about HOME.

MS's revamp makes it look more updated (compared to the old XBL), and similar to Mac and Wii UI. It should draw attention and familiarity amongst potential buyers.

As for Home, it is a wild card. The point of Home was never the software or specific features. Its main draw is the ability to gather folks online and do stuff together. If you look deeper, the Sony online games are more varied in nature because they are not using the same uniform network platform. If Sony integrates its offerings (LBP + Home + Life + Dress + GH MIDI extension + SingStar ABBA + Buzz! Online + ...) to offer a unique and compelling message (e.g., user generated world); it should stand out from the competition. If they continue to market a litany of isolated titles and "unknown" features, then they will suffer. Firmware 2.5 should be interesting to watch. Unlike the poster above, I actually have high confidence that Home and 2.5 will be available to the general public this year. ^_^

As far as Sony, they are at $400 at their lowest model. Granted, their COO said that they are for profit, things could always change. However, the fact that they are introducing a 160GB console this year makes me think it isn't going to happen. This Christmas, so I've read, is supposed to be Blu-Ray's coming out party for all people involved. As far as the Blu-Ray ecosystem, that won't happen if Sony drops the price because they will clean up and eat everyone else's lunch and dinner. Even if Sony could afford to drop the price, I don't think that they can afford to if they want to make their partners happy.

I don't think SCE need to worry about standalone Blu-ray players. Standalone BR players have fallen by US$100 starting this September. Sony should be able to price match if needed (Not everyone like convergent players). Movie bundles for all BR players, including PS3, are also being planned this fall. There are ways to provide a better PS3 deal without dropping its price permanently.

As far as Home, it's free, which is always a plus, but one can't make all of these grandiose plans and not deliver. You don't get two chances to make a first impression.

Home has lost a lot of hype due to delays, but I don't think it's difficult to get it back if the final experience (product + community) is good. To be fair, Sony is just swapping game launching and the video sharing feature for launch. Phil promised media sharing but indicated that game launching won't be available initially. Kaz did it the other way round. Watching video, playing mini-games, exploring home spaces and participating in online events are still available.

 

[Gbeav]

I don't see any evidence that the 360 is now dominating the ps3.

 

[Mahadev]

Depends on if it is good or not. Like it or not, most of the hype for it has sailed so if it is going to be well received, it's going to do it on its own merits. However, when people read that options and touted tools are being removed, people might judge it for what Sony promised versus what is available in their hands on day one.

Interface menu change = OMG COMPLETE OVERHAUL

Creating an entire new virtual world that players can communicate create their own homes using trophies they earned and even strategize in a virtual war room about the next online match in their favorite game = Meh big deal, the hype is almost over anyway

This can only described as Agent Icebeezy "logic".

 

[a Master Ninja]

I worked retail last Christmas and around 1/3 of the PlayStation 3's I sold last holiday were just "Blu-Ray players". The reason, of course, was that the cheapest standalone player we offered was $400, so why not get the 40GB which loaded the movies the fastest and had extra functionality they won't use? Cheap Blu-Ray players are going to be a huge threat to PS3 sales this Christmas, especially with the new wave of players hitting well below $299.

 

[Private Hoffman]

I worked retail last Christmas and around 1/3 of the PlayStation 3's I sold last holiday were just "Blu-Ray players". The reason, of course, was that the cheapest standalone player we offered was $400, so why not get the 40GB which loaded the movies the fastest and had extra functionality they won't use? Cheap Blu-Ray players are going to be a huge threat to PS3 sales this Christmas, especially with the new wave of players hitting well below $299.

PS3 sales have been better in 2008 than the holiday season of 2007 would project; this, despite the fact that cheaper players have been available for quite some time in 2008.

I don't think cheaper players is going to provide any great threat to the boost PS3 should see this holiday season from Blu-Ray sales. The overall value is still there despite cheaper alternatives.

 

[patsu]

It depends on how many standalone player units are manufactured. At this early stage, I think we will have significantly more PS3s than all the standalone BR players combined.

Sony should have enough flexibility to deal with assorted situations. These folks monitor weekly sales numbers. The rest depends on their objectives (share or profitability).

 

[lupinko]

I hope you buy Valkyria Chronicles.

I thought Kadey sold her PS3.

 

[Darkman M]

I thought Kadey sold her PS3.

She had/has more then one PS3.

 

[chubigans]

Interface menu change = OMG COMPLETE OVERHAUL

Creating an entire new virtual world that players can communicate create their own homes using trophies they earned and even strategize in a virtual war room about the next online match in their favorite game = Meh big deal, the hype is almost over anyway

This can only described as Agent Icebeezy "logic".

Bwahaha :lol

I worked retail last Christmas and around 1/3 of the PlayStation 3's I sold last holiday were just "Blu-Ray players".

How do you know this exactly? If the answer is "because they only bought movies or no games with it" then that's not good enough.

 

[Kagari]

I worked retail last Christmas and around 1/3 of the PlayStation 3's I sold last holiday were just "Blu-Ray players". The reason, of course, was that the cheapest standalone player we offered was $400, so why not get the 40GB which loaded the movies the fastest and had extra functionality they won't use? Cheap Blu-Ray players are going to be a huge threat to PS3 sales this Christmas, especially with the new wave of players hitting well below $299.

With even BD-ROM drives in the low $100 range now, there are definitely way cheaper options than PS3 right now.

 

[JudgeN]

I worked retail last Christmas and around 1/3 of the PlayStation 3's I sold last holiday were just "Blu-Ray players". The reason, of course, was that the cheapest standalone player we offered was $400, so why not get the 40GB which loaded the movies the fastest and had extra functionality they won't use? Cheap Blu-Ray players are going to be a huge threat to PS3 sales this Christmas, especially with the new wave of players hitting well below $299.

I believe this, i mean look at the software sales. They pretty much prove this in my opinion.

 

[Regulus Tera]

If the biggest winner is the "consumer" then we wouldn't be paying $250 for tech from 1999. With 60 dollar controllers, and 50 dollars a pop for Gamecube ports like Mario Strikers.

This is why I love gaming forums. <3

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Hey look, another thread to bookmark and revisit after holiday NPD numbers! ;D

 

[Truespeed]

This writer actually has a very good reputation for journalistic investigation and integrity. In 2006 he broke a story that proved Nabisco was using 2% less chips in their Chips Ahoy chocolate chip cookies.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Interface menu change = OMG COMPLETE OVERHAUL

Creating an entire new virtual world that players can communicate create their own homes using trophies they earned and even strategize in a virtual war room about the next online match in their favorite game = Meh big deal, the hype is almost over anyway

This can only described as Agent Icebeezy "logic".

The only place that logic fits is that I logically suspect that you make up things as you go.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12877565&postcount=98

I'm not putting that much stock into the overhaul of Microsoft's dash, though with the movie culture that is here in the states, the netflix agreement might work out to their advantage for a few people. I'm not a movie watcher so I could care less either way.

I really don't expect you to read that, even though it is the second time it has been posted in this thread. Home's hype is gone, by far and large. GAF and groupthink might tell you otherwise, but when you log off and enter into the real world again, no one talks about it. As I also stated, it is free, so that will garner a few looks. However, could it be like the first Fable where people judged it for when it was Project Ego and the failed promises? Only time will tell, but with all that was purported to be in Home versus what we might actually see upon release, that might turn people off of the project altogether.

 

[-PXG-]

Hey look, another thread to bookmark and revisit after holiday NPD numbers! ;D

Done and DONE

 

[Kadey]

I hope you buy Valkyria Chronicles.

Not enough firepower against Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and The Last Remnant.
And that's not factoring in the others that are out and overall RPG count, with Mass Effect, Fable 2 coming and stuff, it's a slaughter.

Oh yeah, the MGS3 thing was a typo. I meant to say MGS4. :lol Sorry but as someone's who's been more towards Sony since forever, still is to a certain extent, they dropped the ball with the PS3. Microsoft is nearly doing everything right and the price drops are the key. With multi-platform games selling better and being better at times on the 360 and having more exclusives and what-not, Microsoft is in a much better position than last generation except for that one place.

Black Friday will have sub $200 BRD players for those who wish to jump in without paying twice as much for a PS3. And thus will start the rolling out of the cheapo brands of the technology.

 

[Cirekiller]

The only place that logic fits is that I logically suspect that you make up things as you go.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12877565&postcount=98



I really don't expect you to read that, even though it is the second time it has been posted in this thread. Home's hype is gone, by far and large. GAF and groupthink might tell you otherwise, but when you log off and enter into the real world again, no one talks about it. As I also stated, it is free, so that will garner a few looks. However, could it be like the first Fable where people judged it for when it was Project Ego and the failed promises? Only time will tell, but with all that was purported to be in Home versus what we might actually see upon release, that might turn people off of the project altogether.

Barely anyone is hyped for the new dashboard and the avatars to begin with....so what's your point?

 

[bathala]

wut, didn't Yahoo said that Ps3 won E3.

waz this flip-flop

 

[ZeoVGM]

You'd be crazy to think that it wasn't.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Barely anyone is hyped for the new dashboard and the avatars to begin with....so what's your point?

SMH, I swear people are blind. Hardly anyone in this thread, including myself are trying to say that the new dash for Microsoft is going to be a leading feature for the 360 in the future.

I also said that Home's hype is largely gone, so in my estimation, they are currently at the same level of 'Hardly anyone gives a shit'

 

[rollingstart]

Not enough firepower against Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and The Last Remnant.
And that's not factoring in the others that are out and overall RPG count, with Mass Effect, Fable 2 coming and stuff, it's a slaughter.

Yeah, it is pretty funny how the 360 is the rpg system of choice. If you told me that 2 years ago I would have said you were crazy. And Last Remnant is coming to PS3 I believe. The two big exclusive j-rpg for the PS3 in the future are White Knight Story and Versus XIII (this one is pretty damn big), so hopefully it can get more in the future.

And both Home and the new Xbox Experience mean nothing. If home doesn't at least add basic quick interface options to make online play more up to speed, then it won't change how I do things on my PS3. The new Xbox experience is a slightly less ugly interface with ugly 'avatars' now instead of your gamer icon. The new features are cool, but againt it doesn't interest me much. I don't think either is going to change the tide for either system.

 

[patsu]

This writer actually has a very good reputation for journalistic investigation and integrity. In 2006 he broke a story that proved Nabisco was using 2% less chips in their Chips Ahoy chocolate chip cookies.

Which writer ? The script writer of that Yahoo! video ?

I also said that Home's hype is largely gone, so in my estimation, they are currently at the same level of 'Hardly anyone gives a shit'

Well... I don't know about the revamped MS dashboard; but Home is pretty significant to PS3. Any silence you feel about Home now is partly due to the delay, partly due to the NDA, and mostly due to no one knows what's in Home exactly -- because most of its content are developer generated and event driven. It's not a UI or a piece of software. It's a platform.

So no Home hype doesn't really mean anything concrete right now. If people are still not hyped after Home is released (with all the developer content and marketing activities), then Sony would be in deep trouble.

 

[Gadfly]

Wasn't it launched back in 2001?

I saw what you did there.

 

[soco]

roaring back, eh?

 

[Mahadev]

The only place that logic fits is that I logically suspect that you make up things as you go.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12877565&postcount=98



I really don't expect you to read that, even though it is the second time it has been posted in this thread. Home's hype is gone, by far and large. GAF and groupthink might tell you otherwise, but when you log off and enter into the real world again, no one talks about it. As I also stated, it is free, so that will garner a few looks. However, could it be like the first Fable where people judged it for when it was Project Ego and the failed promises? Only time will tell, but with all that was purported to be in Home versus what we might actually see upon release, that might turn people off of the project altogether.

I'm sorry, weren't you the one in the previous page siding with what SIP YEK NOD said and weren't you the poster who jumped to downplay Home after it was compared to the Dashboard update?

Was there even a point you wanted to bring in the comparison or did you just want to troll Home as always and you found the opportunity?

 

[Fatghost]

I believe this, i mean look at the software sales. They pretty much prove this in my opinion.

PS3 software sales look pretty good this year. Stuff like SC4 and GTA4 sold great on PS3.

 

[eastside49er]

2006
2007
2008

Hehe. But in all seriousness, the Wii hasn't even been on the market 2 years yet. I guess the guy who talked in the video sucks at counting.

November 2006 to September 2008 does not = 3 years.

Also the PS3 is in trouble. The 360 just pwned it in Japan (the 360 outsold the PS3 in August and looks like it will do it again in September) and the 360 is also selling like mad in America and Europe after the price drop.

Sony is losing money either way so they might as well drop the price again to keep up with the Wii and 360 in sales.

 

[Kai Ozu]

I fucking love this thread.

 

[Ariexv]

That yahoo video player sucks so I'm not gonna even try to watch it, but can someone explain how they think it's in trouble? Logically it isnt. It has outsold the 360 almost every month this whole year and it cost $100 more. It has the (non arguably) best exclusives this year + a chance LBP could change how people play games altogether. Can someone educate me?

:lol :lol :lol Seriously? Sorry but 360 definitely has an arguably superior line-up for the fall. It might vary from person to person but in the end its going to end up Gears > resistance(again), Fable > LBP, and that is before you add in Tales, IU, Last Remnant, Banjo, and VP2.

 

[Kadey]

Yeah, it is pretty funny how the 360 is the rpg system of choice. If you told me that 2 years ago I would have said you were crazy. And Last Remnant is coming to PS3 I believe.

The two big exclusive j-rpg for the PS3 in the future are White Knight Story and Versus XIII (this one is pretty damn big), so hopefully it can get more in the future.

Not this year. And who knows when since it doesn't have a release date but by then, just like Enchanted Arms and soon to be Eternal Sonata , it won't make nearly a huge impact as having it on the 360 early with rpg starved players immediately jumping in; the damage is already done.

 

[Cirekiller]

SMH, I swear people are blind. Hardly anyone in this thread, including myself are trying to say that the new dash for Microsoft is going to be a leading feature for the 360 in the future.

I also said that Home's hype is largely gone, so in my estimation, they are currently at the same level of 'Hardly anyone gives a shit'

You used the fall dashboard update as a bulletpoint on why the 360 is going to beat the Ps3. Then you went on to compare it to the sleek Apple like design. That you think would help the 360 go mass market.