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Your wife slept with over 20 guys in college, she tells you 20 years later

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I'm curious why you quoted the word problem when I didn't even use it. (I don't think?) I never said it was a problem. I did say that if you put a need on a pedastal then that is your issue. If casual sex isn't for you then that is fine. I don't expect everyone to go out and get laid every night. I just think that people need to learn to divide sex and love. Those two things can be together and should be together at some point but one shouldn't be the pre-requisite or co-requisite for the other.

I substituted "issue" with "problem" both seem to have the same meaning in your sentence. The bolded above if the only thing I disagree with. There is more than one way of being and I think people who can't or choose not to disassociate love and sex do no harm if they don't use that belief as a platform to judge others. I don't think it's something everyone should feel the need to adhere to.
 

Sorian

Banned
Nothing but a loss of translation I've just come to realize. In French, scientific observations aren't always enough to draw conclusions, because they are just that--observations.

I see your point now, and agree with pretty much everything of it; let alone love being more mental than physiological. Both weight as much from my experience, as in two pillars with equal strength; if one falters, the entire roof could come down.

Understandable. I always use Maslow's Pyramid for things like this because of my own feelings towards it. Everything in the pyramid is considered a need but the things at the bottom are needed more than the things at the top. So I wouldn't really agree with the pillar observation but its sensible.

I substituted "issue" with "problem" both seem to have the same meaning in your sentence. The bolded above if the only thing I disagree with. There is more than one way of being and I think people who can't or choose not to disassociate love and sex do no harm if they don't use that belief as a platform to judge others. I don't think it's something everyone should feel the need to adhere to.

Fundamentally, those things are two different things. You can combine them whenever you please of course and thats where peoples different feelings toward the subject can come from but I still think its important for people to know that sex and love are not the same thing. There needs to be a division in the mind, if you won't want to act on the division then fine but I think it's important to know it.

Yeah but you don't have to be a virgin with unrealistic expectations about sex or women to find over 20 partners in 4 years to be more than normal.

I don't think its more than normal. Especially during the college years? Seems low from some of the girls I knew.
 
my wife has slept with almost 20 guys after we got married.

meh.

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Fundamentally, those things are two different things. You can combine them whenever you please of course and thats where peoples different feelings toward the subject can come from but I still think its important for people to know that sex and love are not the same thing. There needs to be a division in the mind, if you won't want to act on the division then fine but I think it's important to know it.

I think most people know they are different things but they choose to associate them because it falls in line more with what they want. Just a choice we make.
 

Narolf

Banned
Fundamentally, those things are two different things. You can combine them whenever you please of course and thats where peoples different feelings toward the subject can come from but I still think its important for people to know that sex and love are not the same thing. There needs to be a division in the mind, if you won't want to act on the division then fine but I think it's important to know it.

Completely agreeing here. Makes me wonder about how come we were not on the same page in the first place.
 

Sorian

Banned
Completely agreeing here. Makes me wonder about how come we were not on the same page in the first place.

I think I was just poking when you said that sex wasn't a need a page or two back.

I think most people know they are different things but they choose to associate them because it falls in line more with what they want. Just a choice we make.

Right, associating them arbitrarily is the problem. What someone wants has no bearing on what they need. Can't worry about the top tier of the pyramid unless everything else is all set first.
 

Booya

Neo Member
I don't know what that means, genuinely. What is "a lot of people"? Where is the source for this information? If indeed there is any meaningful increase in depression, is the depression because of the sex or because of the absurd restrictions modern society wants to place on what was appropriate sexual behavior making people feel guilty?

One thing is for certain: Sex is a basic human thing and we were designed to have lots of it; it's completely devoid of any moral value one way or the other, unless we insert that into the mix.

I fully agree on the fact that it's a basic human thing etc.
Let's just hypothetically say you have a lot of sex that does not end in relationships. You drink, wake up naked beside a girl and walk home - repeat. This can be a lot of fun but it can also result in you feeling bad for not having a "normal" relationship with a woman.
 

kswiston

Member
From my point of view, as an individual who has yet to experience either a long term relationship or sex, perhaps I would feel a touch cheated because it would claw at my own insecurities arising from own self consciousness and image. Perhaps then I would it would go through the motions shifting from anger to rationalisation; after all, she did choose me for the last 20 years meaning it went well beyond just sex. Still, perhaps a small part of me would nag asking whether she hooked up with me because I was not only as good as the rest in bed but adept at other facets of factors that holds relationships together (ranging from personality to skill set) or whether I was just good enough to have more than compensated for my, perhaps average, sex skills (remember this is all going on in my head without any knowledge as to how good or bad those other guys were and asking her would perhaps make me look pitiful) with the rest of aforementioned aspects. Perhaps, later would come the moment of disillusionment in knowing that nothing has truly changed and that that secret affected nothing in our marriage and that my wife has enough faith in me to move past (immediately or in time) the reaction to the information she may have thought was a burden to her and wanted to share it. I would have gained perspective from this somewhat uncomfortable knowledge knowing we both dedicated our lives to each other and that my wife would not trade in the past 20 years of our marriage to screw many more random guys.

But hey, what would I know, I am still a virgin.


Honestly, the good in bed argument is a non-issue. If you make any attempt to actually please your partner, you are going to be better at fulfilling her needs in the sack after a few years than any one night stand would be.
 

Sorian

Banned
I fully agree on the fact that it's a basic human thing etc.
Let's just hypothetically say you have a lot of sex that does not end in relationships. You drink, wake up naked beside a girl and walk home - repeat. This can be a lot of fun but it can also result in you feeling bad for not having a "normal" relationship with a woman.

If people stopped having such a narrow view of what normal is then there wouldn't be a problem. I understand it is necessary because people need to know that killing isn't normal for example. But its come to a point where normal is this one cookie-cutter person and everything else is abnormal.
 

Septimius

Junior Member
I won't quote anyone specific because I think multiple people in this thread are having a hard time seeing us from their high horse. It's just sex people, yes that's right it's just sex. As long as you are safe about it and you aren't bringing an unneccessary life into the world who gives a flying fuck? But then this is coming from someone who thinks open relationships are fine because sex is totally possible and acceptable without feelings.

I think you're cutting corners here. You're basing your point on an argument that should have been the discussion in the first place. You can't just say "it's not a problem, because sex is just sex". We can deduce that if sex is just sex, then it wouldn't matter. But if it isn't, then it would matter. And it matters to a lot of people, so by definition, sex isn't just sex. Else I could go out and fuck whoever I want, and my girlfriend couldn't get upset, just as she wouldn't get upset if I just spoke to someone. Because it's just a conversation. This is not the way we seem to be wired, based on the fact that most people get hurt when their partners sleep with others, and it's complacent to displace these feelings on such things as "cultural norms" and bullshit like outdated social structures.

So no, it is by no means an axiom that sex is just sex. So you can't argue a point by coming with a false axiom.

It's an interesting discussion, so brushing past the point is even letting go of an opportunity to have a good discussion. The problem by brushing past it is also that a lot of people in a power-imbalanced relationship will use the excuse "sex is just sex" because they have a desire to sleep with others, and giving a sort of "deal with it" to their SO who might not be on the same page. I have no idea what percentage this is of open relationships, but we should all be able to see that it's at least present to some extent.

Other than that, it also seems to me as a sort of overindulgence. No one can say you can't jerk off 5 times a day, no one can say you can't eat 10 000 kcal a day. No one can say you can't work out for 10 hours per day, either. It's not morally wrong, but it's giving into an urge. Most of the people that do give into urges start making excuses for themselves. Fat people say such things that they don't care for living if they can't eat what they want, others say they find it healthy spending 10 hours on NeoGAF every day. Our minds are brilliant at filling in the things we don't want to do, but do because we can't stop giving into our urges. Smokers will say they enjoy it so much they don't care to give it up.

Indulging in sex in the same way is definitely no different. It's the same sort of primal urge as comes with any addiction, be it for gaming, gambling, drinking, eating sugar, doing drugs, smoking. The great porn study talk on TED should give you an insight as to how easy it is to get addicted to sex and porn, and if you do share your life with someone that's in the same position as you, it does not mean it's healthy to say "sex is just sex" and sleep with others. You've put it up there as a physiological need. It isn't. You need food. You need air. You don't need sex. Not giving into urges is not the same as disallowing basic instincts. No one will argue that it's not a high priority to have sex, but your balls won't explode if you don't sleep with someone or jerk off, so you can't say it's a physiological need. It puts it up there with any other form of addiction.

It is good that we identify with certain "urges" or "drives" if we wish to call it that. I take joy in feeling lusty. But showing restraint is also something that's equally important in life. Not too much, not too little.

Is not too much sex sex with different partners? I don't know. I often see girls I think to myself I wouldn't mind banging. Sometimes I can even say "I wouldn't mind banging her". But I do mind. I restrain myself out of respect for my girlfriend, and I do it for my own health, just as I restraint my sugar intake and junk-food intake. I can see many ways open relationships can lead to an addiction. You become reliant on sex with others, because it's your way of spicing things up. I try new stuff in bed with my girl to reach the same goal. One can be addicted to the chase of going out and conquering a new girl, taking her home and fucking her, but it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong in restricting ourselves from doing that. The strange thing with addiction is that it drives us so bad. I've often felt the grasp of sugar. I just can't stop. When I do manage to restrain myself, I can look back and say "wow, that really had a grasp on me" - and we can be there with sex. Going on blindly and saying it's in good health and fun, and "who cares" should never be without reflection, and a careful insight as to if this is the same thing as a sugar-addict is doing when he picks up yet another candy bar from the shop. "What harm can one more do?"

These things are tangled with cultural norms, physiological reactions and craving for sexual conquest and orgasms, but implying that evolution has not bound sex and feelings closely together is an ignorant one, and one that sounds to come from a stem of wanting sex not to be tied to feelings out of a way of upholding a way of giving into urges. Are we making excuses for ourselves, or are we living life to its fullest?
 

Wazzy

Banned
Why would anyone care? If they slept with 20 people while with you, then yeah, that would bother anyone but something they did in their college years that had no bearing on you? Completely childish if anyone actually get's offended by that. Especially since sex is a normal thing and should not be treated like some sacred treasure.
 

grumble

Member
Honestly, the good in bed argument is a non-issue. If you make any attempt to actually please your partner, you are going to be better at fulfilling her needs in the sack after a few years than any one night stand would be.

Honestly assuming good communication and a bit of adventurousness it's more like several months tops. It's often used as a reason for people being promiscuous learning the ropes but it's not needed.

If someone wants to sleep around then that's fine and they are learning some things like what kind of people they like, Etc but it's usually a rationalization when that logic is used.
 

Booya

Neo Member
If people stopped having such a narrow view of what normal is then there wouldn't be a problem. I understand it is necessary because people need to know that killing isn't normal for example. But its come to a point where normal is this one cookie-cutter person and everything else is abnormal.

Yeah, I'm just trying to understand a point. I'm not on the normal side when it comes to quantity and quality and I'm at no point where I would consider changing things up anytime soon but it has his bad sides to it, is all I'm saying.
 

Sorian

Banned
I think you're cutting corners here. You're basing your point on an argument that should have been the discussion in the first place. You can't just say "it's not a problem, because sex is just sex". We can deduce that if sex is just sex, then it wouldn't matter. But if it isn't, then it would matter. And it matters to a lot of people, so by definition, sex isn't just sex. Else I could go out and fuck whoever I want, and my girlfriend couldn't get upset, just as she wouldn't get upset if I just spoke to someone. Because it's just a conversation. This is not the way we seem to be wired, based on the fact that most people get hurt when their partners sleep with others, and it's complacent to displace these feelings on such things as "cultural norms" and bullshit like outdated social structures.

So no, it is by no means an axiom that sex is just sex. So you can't argue a point by coming with a false axiom.

It's an interesting discussion, so brushing past the point is even letting go of an opportunity to have a good discussion. The problem by brushing past it is also that a lot of people in a power-imbalanced relationship will use the excuse "sex is just sex" because they have a desire to sleep with others, and giving a sort of "deal with it" to their SO who might not be on the same page. I have no idea what percentage this is of open relationships, but we should all be able to see that it's at least present to some extent.

Other than that, it also seems to me as a sort of overindulgence. No one can say you can't jerk off 5 times a day, no one can say you can't eat 10 000 kcal a day. No one can say you can't work out for 10 hours per day, either. It's not morally wrong, but it's giving into an urge. Most of the people that do give into urges start making excuses for themselves. Fat people say such things that they don't care for living if they can't eat what they want, others say they find it healthy spending 10 hours on NeoGAF every day. Our minds are brilliant at filling in the things we don't want to do, but do because we can't stop giving into our urges. Smokers will say they enjoy it so much they don't care to give it up.

Indulging in sex in the same way is definitely no different. It's the same sort of primal urge as comes with any addiction, be it for gaming, gambling, drinking, eating sugar, doing drugs, smoking. The great porn study talk on TED should give you an insight as to how easy it is to get addicted to sex and porn, and if you do share your life with someone that's in the same position as you, it does not mean it's healthy to say "sex is just sex" and sleep with others. You've put it up there as a physiological need. It isn't. You need food. You need air. You don't need sex. Not giving into urges is not the same as disallowing basic instincts. No one will argue that it's not a high priority to have sex, but your balls won't explode if you don't sleep with someone or jerk off, so you can't say it's a physiological need. It puts it up there with any other form of addiction.

It is good that we identify with certain "urges" or "drives" if we wish to call it that. I take joy in feeling lusty. But showing restraint is also something that's equally important in life. Not too much, not too little.

Is not too much sex sex with different partners? I don't know. I often see girls I think to myself I wouldn't mind banging. Sometimes I can even say "I wouldn't mind banging her". But I do mind. I restrain myself out of respect for my girlfriend, and I do it for my own health, just as I restraint my sugar intake and junk-food intake. I can see many ways open relationships can lead to an addiction. You become reliant on sex with others, because it's your way of spicing things up. I try new stuff in bed with my girl to reach the same goal. One can be addicted to the chase of going out and conquering a new girl, taking her home and fucking her, but it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong in restricting ourselves from doing that.

These things are tangled with cultural norms, physiological reactions and craving for sexual conquest and orgasms, but implying that evolution has not bound sex and feelings closely together is an ignorant one, and one that sounds to come from a stem of wanting sex not to be tied to feelings out of a way of upholding a way of giving into urges. Are we making excuses for ourselves, or are we living life to its fullest?

No matter how you want to slice it, sex is a need in some way. My argument however is that it is a physiological need. Shelter is a physiological need as well but plenty of people live without that as well. It's not just what you need to survive on a day-to-day basis. Anything that falls into the physiological needs category is what a basic human needs to live, thrive, and stay healthy. Sex makes people healthier, thats as much fact at this point as we are going to get on the topic.

Why has evolution bound sex and feelings together? This doesn't occur in many animals (and the ones that do stay monogomous do it for mostly territorial or protective reasons). So why are humans the ones that have adapted to put feelings and sex together? Evolution had no hand in this. We think more than other animals. Love is a need just as much as sex but it is higher on the pyramid, thus it is less necessary. When you have the bottom layer filled you can work your way up but you still need to keep fulfilling that bottom layer all the time. Once you reach the layer holding love, that is a new way to fulfill a part of your bottom layer since with love usually comes sex as well. It's common but I don't think it should be a common attribution. Obviously, restraint is important in everything. The need just has to be fulfilled, not throttled.

As much as I do not condone cheating, when we take it down to the basic level cheating on an SO is the same as cheating on a diet. For whatever reason, you wanted something else to fill a basic need.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
Not sure what I would do, it's really hard to put myself in my shoes that far into the future in those circumstances.

Generally, guys who weren't virgins when they got married are the ones who won't be too bothered by it, if at all. The more partners a guy had, the less bothered he would be by it, and if a guy slept with 20 girls in the same timeframe, he shouldn't be bothered at all.
 

coldfoot

Banned
I've taken 2 v-cards and I've never seen this blood horror story that people talk about when the hymen comes into play. Everything was clean both times but maybe I'm just lucky. Also, before anyone throws it in, I went on to have sex with both of those girls on multiple occassions so it wasn't just some fluke thing. Also, inb4 they weren't really virgins or whatever other non-sense.
Sorry bro but they weren't really virgins. I slept with 2 girls who claimed to be virgins. There was blood on one but nothing on the other. I trust physical evidence over people.
 

Batman

Banned
Sorry bro but they weren't really virgins. I slept with 2 girls who claimed to be virgins. There was blood on one but nothing on the other. I trust physical evidence over people.

That doesn't mean anything, a girl can take care of it herself and can't bleed the first time she actually has sex.
 

Septimius

Junior Member
No matter how you want to slice it, sex is a need in some way. My argument however is that it is a physiological need. Shelter is a physiological need as well but plenty of people live without that as well. It's not just what you need to survive on a day-to-day basis. Anything that falls into the physiological needs category is what a basic human needs to live, thrive, and stay healthy. Sex makes people healthier, thats as much fact at this point as we are going to get on the topic.

I went without sex from 2006 to 2009. I always felt the search for companionship came far over the search for sex. That is not to say that the search for sex couldn't completely overcome any other thought and be momentarily most important. Some of the times I'd strike out, other times I'd chose not to go through with it, most of the time it wasn't an issue. The need for shelter comes from such things as having a place you can feel at ease at, a place you can store your necessities. A place to keep you safe from weather, insects, animals and people. Without it, we'd be cold, hot, inconvenienced, anxious, sleepless, disease-riddled and unsafe. The need for shelter is a completely different one from the need for sex.

You do not need sex to thrive. I thrived nearly more than I have since in my period without sex. You could say it would be in ways to cope, in ways to better myself to better position myself in the evolutionary dance of status, or just because I wasn't preoccupied.

Sex has health benefits, but perks and bonuses are not a physiological need. They're higher on the pyramid. There are inexorably benefits with sex, but there are also benefits by driving a Porche, but that doesn't make it a physiological need.

All that can be taken out from our different points of views is that is is by no means irrevocably a physiological need "any way I slice it". I won't go so far to categorize it anywhere, but we cannot take a hard-set definition based on these posts.
Why has evolution bound sex and feelings together? This doesn't occur in many animals (and the ones that do stay monogomous do it for mostly territorial or protective reasons). So why are humans the ones that have adapted to put feelings and sex together? Evolution had no hand in this. We think more than other animals. Love is a need just as much as sex but it is higher on the pyramid, thus it is less necessary. When you have the bottom layer filled you can work your way up but you still need to keep fulfilling that bottom layer all the time. Once you reach the layer holding love, that is a new way to fulfill a part of your bottom layer since with love usually comes sex as well. It's common but I don't think it should be a common attribution. Obviously, restraint is important in everything. The need just has to be fulfilled, not throttled.

As much as I do not condone cheating, when we take it down to the basic level cheating on an SO is the same as cheating on a diet. For whatever reason, you wanted something else to fill a basic need.

Cheating on a diet is not a basic need, nor is cheating on an SO. The fact that there's an individual on this makes it much more intricate than this allegory, too. The fact that we sway from a restriction because it's easy to give in, is not making room to take this down to the 'same basic level as cheating on a diet'. Most diets are unbalanced, and balanced diets even call for cheat days. This is a great opportunity for you to say that so should a balanced relationship, but the difference here comes from the fact that a diet is normally upheld to lower your weight, and cheat days are ways to improve the chance of upholding that goal, whereas a relationship is by no means a restriction on yourself, as much as it is a happy union with another. You're not in a relationship to any goal, other than the relationship itself, so swaying from it cannot be fended in the same guise.

Sorry bro but they weren't really virgins. I slept with 2 girls who claimed to be virgins. There was blood on one but nothing on the other. I trust physical evidence over people.

So a true guy virgin is one that's also never jerked off? Or have you not ever thought through that girls also masturbate, or think a 'true virgin' is one that doesn't do such?

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Why has evolution bound sex and feelings together? This doesn't occur in many animals (and the ones that do stay monogomous do it for mostly territorial or protective reasons). So why are humans the ones that have adapted to put feelings and sex together? Evolution had no hand in this. We think more than other animals. Love is a need just as much as sex but it is higher on the pyramid, thus it is less necessary. When you have the bottom layer filled you can work your way up but you still need to keep fulfilling that bottom layer all the time. Once you reach the layer holding love, that is a new way to fulfill a part of your bottom layer since with love usually comes sex as well. It's common but I don't think it should be a common attribution. Obviously, restraint is important in everything. The need just has to be fulfilled, not throttled.

We can't say how monogamous animals feel. They probably feel something analogous to love. The inherent reward for an action is how nature ensures something happens. Again, you're premature on placing things on the pyramid. It is not set in stone that sex is a more basic need than love, just because love needs cognition. Saying evolution plays no hand in this is like saying evolution plays no hand in us having two eyes. Humans have evolved to feel close to those they have sex with, because having a child and raising it is nowhere near being this taxing to any other species. We need to be close to be able to get through it. That means that those that felt a connection and stayed close after sex was more successful in being reproductive, and as such, the other genes perished. Quite basic evolution. This should paint a clear enough picture to evolutions role to sex and its significance in feelings. You have to remember that during the evolutionary times, you didn't just have sex and move on with your life.
 
Thread Argumentative Outline

Argument One

(P1) Person 1: I feel that 20 partners is a lot!
(P2) Person 2: WRONG! I feel that it isn't!

[(P1 & P2)1 & (P1 & P2)2 & . . . (P1 & P2)n]

Argument Two

Person 1: I feel that having 20 partners renders one an emotionally void husk and second-class citizen.
Person 2: Fool. Clearly, I FEEL that sex is pure physicality with no emotional consequence at all -- zero meaning, NADA! -- you damnable religious virgin!!1

[(P1 & P2)1 & (P1 & P2)2 & . . . (P1 & P2)n]

Argument Three

Person 1: I've never had sex.
Person 2: WRONG! I've slept with 432 women and counting son!!

[(P1 & P2)1 & (P1 & P2)2 & . . . (P1 & P2)n]
 

MIMIC

Banned
20 years later? I honestly wouldn't care. It's almost too late to care, lol (but I guess it depends on the person) (edit: then again, I'd be wondering how I never knew about it)

We both have been out of college for a few years and we just met? The only way I wouldn't care would be if I wasn't looking for something serious (and by "not serious", I mean one and done).
 

Hypereides

Gold Member
If it makes you feel better I bet everybody's wife has slept with a lot more guys then she has ever admitted too.

This is kinda where the question of why women lie about their sexual partners pops up.

Honestly, I'd respect most women if they flat out said, hey yeah I was quite the slut back then, and it was something I wanted to try. Rather than playing the innocence card and proclaiming they actually havent slept with that many, or very few. Which excuse me to say it openly is probably one of the most obvious and illogical lies to come outta the mouth of most women.

Some women out there even have their own made up rules about what falls under sexual intercourse/contact, like subtracting fellatios and handjobs as not being defined as anything sexual.

Ive even busted a few on it, that shortly after admitted that there have been some "mishaps" or "oopsies!". Its hilarious really.

Moral is, that most women arent as innocent as they seem. And thats fine, they should be geniune about it.

But neither are we men. We both have pretty distorted and skewed rules about what qualifies as a sexual partner.

Some times I wish the world would be one long extended porn flick so that a subject wouldnt be so taboo, shamefull and confusing.
 

Septimius

Junior Member
This is kinda where the question of why women lie about their sexual partners pops up.

Honestly, I'd respect most women if they flat out said, hey yeah I was quite the slut back then, and it was something I wanted to try. Rather than playing the innocence card and proclaiming they actually havent slept with that many, or very few. Which excuse me to say it openly is probably one of the most obvious and unintelligent lies to come outta the mouth of most women.

Some women out there even have their own made up rules about what falls under sexual intercourse/contact, like subtracting fellatios and handjobs as not being defined as anything sexual.

Ive even busted a few on it, that shortly after admitted that there have been some "mishaps" or "oopsies!". Its hilarious really.

Moral is, that most women arent as innocent as they seem. And thats fine, they should be geniune about it.

But neither are we men. We both have pretty distorted and skewed rules about what qualifies as a sexual partner.

Some times I wish the world would be one long extended porn flick so that a subject wouldnt be so taboo and cause so much confusion for people.

I agree with what you say, but I don't know if your wording was unfortunate, but this way of thinking adds to the stigma of having a lot of sexual partners for women.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
So a true guy virgin is one that's also never jerked off? Or have you not ever thought through that girls also masturbate, or think a 'true virgin' is one that doesn't do such?
So in conclusion no one on GAF is a virgin. The end.
 

Sorian

Banned
I went without sex from 2006 to 2009. I always felt the search for companionship came far over the search for sex. That is not to say that the search for sex couldn't completely overcome any other thought and be momentarily most important. Some of the times I'd strike out, other times I'd chose not to go through with it, most of the time it wasn't an issue. The need for shelter comes from such things as having a place you can feel at ease at, a place you can store your necessities. A place to keep you safe from weather, insects, animals and people. Without it, we'd be cold, hot, inconvenienced, anxious, sleepless, disease-riddled and unsafe. The need for shelter is a completely different one from the need for sex.

You do not need sex to thrive. I thrived nearly more than I have since in my period without sex. You could say it would be in ways to cope, in ways to better myself to better position myself in the evolutionary dance of status, or just because I wasn't preoccupied.

Sex has health benefits, but perks and bonuses are not a physiological need. They're higher on the pyramid. There are inexorably benefits with sex, but there are also benefits by driving a Porche, but that doesn't make it a physiological need.

Hey, at this point you are arguing with Maslow, not me. You want to argue against one of the cores of psychology, be my guest. I can't really phrase it in any other way. At the end of the day, sex does make people thrive. There is an exception to every rule, of course, and maybe you are it but I doubt it.
 

Nekofrog

Banned
This is kinda where the question of why women lie about their sexual partners pops up.

Honestly, I'd respect most women if they flat out said, hey yeah I was quite the slut back then, and it was something I wanted to try.

nomination for stupidest statement on gaf of 2013
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
I've always been taught Maslow without the sex part. Mostly because it doesn't make sense to say someone cannot be motivated unless they are having an active sex life.
 

Septimius

Junior Member
Hey, at this point you are arguing with Maslow, not me. You want to argue against one of the cores of psychology, be my guest. I can't really phrase it in any other way. At the end of the day, sex does make people thrive. There is an exception to every rule, of course, and maybe you are it but I doubt it.

Well, that just leaves it down to cognitive bias, as instead of discussing the points, you make an argument of authority. You have yet to defend any of your points, or even back up most of them. Yet again, you throw out a statement as an axiom, when it is anything but. The chase for sex has made many people thrive. Sex in itself probably hasn't. I was looking for a good conversation, but I'm left despondent.
 
Thread Argumentative Outline

Argument One

(P1) Person 1: I feel that 20 partners is a lot!
(P2) Person 2: WRONG! I feel that it isn't!

[(P1 & P2)1 & (P1 & P2)2 & . . . (P1 & P2)n]

Argument Two

Person 1: I feel that having 20 partners renders one an emotionally void husk and second-class citizen.
Person 2: Fool. Clearly, I FEEL that sex is pure physicality with no emotional consequence at all -- zero meaning, NADA! -- you damnable religious virgin!!1

[(P1 & P2)1 & (P1 & P2)2 & . . . (P1 & P2)n]

Argument Three

Person 1: I've never had sex.
Person 2: WRONG! I've slept with 432 women and counting son!!

[(P1 & P2)1 & (P1 & P2)2 & . . . (P1 & P2)n]
What's your point? And you forgot the "lol, her pussy is a walk-in-closet" argument.
 

Sorian

Banned
Well, that just leaves it down to cognitive bias, as instead of discussing the points, you make an argument of authority. You have yet to defend any of your points, or even back up most of them. Yet again, you throw out a statement as an axiom, when it is anything but. The chase for sex has made many people thrive. Sex in itself probably hasn't. I was looking for a good conversation, but I'm left despondent.

If I can't use an argument of authority, how would you like me to back up my assertations? Look, I can sound pompous too. I use the pyramid comparison because it was created by someone much smarter than you and I and it still holds up today all these years later in the psychology community. You're right, sex in itself hasn't made people thrive but meeting the sex need and all other physiological needs has made people thrive. That's how it works, check off all the boxes in one section and then you can start working on the rest with no hinderence.

What's your point? And you forgot the "lol, her pussy is a walk-in-closet" argument.

Also, thanks for making me laugh :D
 

Hypereides

Gold Member
I agree with what you say, but I don't know if your wording was unfortunate, but this way of thinking adds to the stigma of having a lot of sexual partners for women.

I see what you mean, but nah that was pretty much me just pulling out a simple word for better understanding.

But if you meant it in a different context; then yes, I personally am a very openly sexual individual. Some may even call me a man slut - with standards though. But if Im out drinking, or just out having fun at a bar, then theres a high chance I'll probably pick up an attractive lady and caveman her over my shoulder back home.

Some time in the future once I've settled down, I may perhaps even owe thanks to my previous sex partners for getting the experience and knowledge to become a wonderful lover. Put in a visual sentence : Pretty much everyone's body is a safe, you gotta crack to unleash that raging orgasm. And it takes time to master that it.

I really appreciate all the partners Ive slept with. Its a gift. Somebody is letting you to be intimate with them. Its a mutual satisfaction and pleasure.

Some day, thanks to them I'll probably become a brilliant lover, able to stimulate high class orgasms to my long term wife/partner.

nomination for stupidest statement on gaf of 2013

Clever and cute. Explain.
 
Clever and cute. Explain.

Stupid is maybe the wrong word.
I would use priviledged.
Read through this thread, a ton of people are uttering disgust at the thought of their wife having had more than the socially allowed number of sexual partners (ideally they should be untouched virgins, bleeding during their first intercourse).
Society looks down upon female promiscuity, but obviously women still want to have sex lives (more or less outgoing) so the "lie" about the number of their sexual partners results from them being shamed into doing so.
 
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