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[APF]

Save the partisan interrogation for the general-election debates, not the debates to determine party nominees.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Save the partisan interrogation for the general-election debates, not the debates to determine party nominees.

That Youtube video was quite the interrogation.

I was afraid that general was going to snap and waterboard those candidates...

 

[itsinmyveins]

It's over? Who won?

 

[Cheebs]

It's over? Who won?

No, the debate isn't over yet. It's still going strong!

 

[Stoney Mason]

It's over? Who won?

 

[Guileless]

If the Dems went on a Foxnews debate and one of the questions came from a Gulliani staffer would everyone here on the left be having the same reaction?

Over/under on predictions of an impending fascist coup with Hannity ascending to Minister of Propaganda in time for an invasion of Iran: 3.5.

I can't remember where I read this in order to give credit, but somebody said Huckabee has no chance because he's from Hope, Arkansas and his name sounds like a village idiot character from a Faulkner novel. It's funny because it's true.

 

[Ulairi]

I hate folksy.

 

[Gaborn]

It's not really that big of a deal but the sneakyness of it is what irks people.

Let me put it this way. If the Dems went on a Foxnews debate and one of the questions came from a Gulliani staffer would everyone here on the left be having the same reaction?

I'm not on the left, but yes, I'd have the same reaction. I believe people negatively impacted by policies have the right to question candidates no matter what that policy is. Now, if the question was "why are you stupid surrender monkeys who are wrong and hate the freedom our president supports" that's slightly different. If, on the other hand, it was a woman who was considering an abortion until she saw an ultra sound of her fetus, then I'd say she would be directly affected and thus a valid question even if she was a Giuliani shill.

A valid question is a valid question and everyone seeking the nomination will, if they win the presidency ultimately be every one's president, gay or straight, white, black, Libertarian or Socialist, etc.

 

[harSon]

No, your two examples, gang violence and insider trading are two totally different actions, but the color of the perpetrator should never come into play. You don't see a real outcry to stop white insider trading do you? Because they don't break it down that far. Of course the tools to combat gang violence is going to be radically different than the tools to combat insider trading, but the tools to combat gang violence whether white, asian, latino or black is pretty much going to be the same.

Asking specifically how to combat black on black violence is stupid, it's like saying you don't care about white on white, or latino on latino, or any other combination and as a country I don't think we should think like that. As a white person the only person I've known to be murdered was a white woman by a white man and you don't see me asking how to stem white on white violence. And what would a candidate say differently for black on black than latino on latino? Suggest more basketball courts in black neighborhoods, soccer fields in latino neighborhoods, or cosplaying exhibitions in asian neighborhoods? Just what kind of stupid racist stereotypical answer are they looking to hear?

Any attempt to combat inner city violence should be received by everyone living there. I understand education is a big factor in that, maybe they'd be looking to make college more affordable to young kids in an attempt to give them a better shot at a future. I can agree with that, fine throw some scholarship money out there, but should it be aimed at just the poor blacks in that area for example? Would that be fair? Are we really going to further throw handouts at just one segment of the population and watch as another sits in squalor to get a handful of votes?

Everyone living in a neighborhood is in the same boat and I vehemently disagree with picking out specific individuals in the same economic conditions for government aid based on race. I don't care if it's scholarships, school programs, whatever, they should benefit the entire area not one segment.

You're looking way to far into the mans question. People are looking for answers to things that effect them personally. In this guys case, black on black crimes were obviously a huge issue.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I can't remember where I read this in order to give credit, but somebody said Huckabee has no chance because he's from Hope, Arkansas and his name sounds like a village idiot character from a Faulkner novel. It's funny because it's true.

At the very minimum I think he raised his odds of a vice presidency nod to about 40%. He will do well in Southern primaries because he comes off like a real Southerner and not a used car salesman like Romney. The further north you go the less that plays but he's definitely the candidate on the rise for Republicans and as long as Romney and Rudy continue to muddy up each other he's the beneficiary.

 

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/72858/page/1

 

[Cooter]

At the very minimum I think he raised his odds of a vice presidency nod to about 40%. He will do well in Southern primaries because he comes off like a real Southerner and not a used car salesman like Romney. The further north you go the less that plays but he's definitely the candidate on the rise for Republicans and as long as Romney and Rudy continue to muddy up each other he's the beneficiary.

I'd be shocked if it's not a Gulliani/Huckabee ticket in 08'

 

[worldrunover]

At the very minimum I think he raised his odds of a vice presidency nod to about 40%. He will do well in Southern primaries because he comes off like a real Southerner and not a used car salesman like Romney. The further north you go the less that plays but he's definitely the candidate on the rise for Republicans and as long as Romney and Rudy continue to muddy up each other he's the beneficiary.

I still can't get past the not believing in evolution thing. I mean, how can you vote for someone so obviously blinded by religion that he refuses to acknowledge scientific advancement? Other than that Huckabee seems like a nice enough guy.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I'd be shocked if it's not a Gulliani/Huckabee ticket in 08'

Rudy is running such a risky campaign, it will be interesting. He basically will suck until the big states roll around where he theoretically wins the nomination. That's a lot of press to a lot of other candidates he will be giving up.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I still can't get past the not believing in evolution thing. I mean, how can you vote for someone so obviously blinded by religion that he refuses to acknowledge scientific advancement? Other than that Huckabee seems like a nice enough guy.

It's just pandering I assume. He's smart enough to know the truth. He just calculates that such a stance won't hurt him and changing his stance would be the bigger story.

 

[Cooter]

Rudy is running such a risky campaign, it will be interesting. He basically will suck until the big states roll around where he theoretically wins the nomination. That's a lot of press to a lot of other candidates he will be giving up.

True. Although how can he lose Ca, NY, and all the other blue states? Mitt is done. Mccain has been done for a while and Huckabee can't carry the blue states. If not Rudy then who? Unless a scandal hits I'd be willing to bet money he get's the nod.

The Democratic side is up for grabs IMO.

 

[worldrunover]

It's just pandering I assume. He's smart enough to know the truth. He just calculates that such a stance won't hurt him and changing his stance would be the bigger story.

I hope so. It just seems so short-sighted, even if he doesn't believe it. Perhaps creationists have more of a voice in this nation than I'd like to admit.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I hope so. It just seems so short-sighted, even if he doesn't believe it. Perhaps creationists have more of a voice in this nation than I'd like to admit.

I think it's more a flip flop issue. It's better to just stick at this point. Even if you're on a weird position. And let's face it. If there is anything you are allowed to be weird on in this country, it's religion.

 

[Stoney Mason]

The Democratic side is up for grabs IMO.

Trying to honestly be impartial I don't know. I think a lot of this recent Obama press has been media generated and is not actually real. He's never had a performance in an actual debate to justify it. Of course if he wins some early states it does tighten up the game.

 

[Cooter]

Trying to honestly be impartial I don't know. I think a lot of this recent Obama press has been media generated and is not actually real. He's never had a performance in an actual debate to justify it. Of course if he wins some early states it does tighten up the game.

I like Obama and if I had my choice between him and Hillary for President he would clearly win. Now if I had my choice on who gets the nomination it would be her hands down. That being said, I really think it's 50/50 right now. It could be press generated but I think to some extent he is picking up steam and his base is more energized. It will be interesting.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Like I said earlier in this thread, Huckabee's biggest problem is that he doesn't have the money to compete on February 5th. Both Roms and Gules have spent practically an entire year raising money for that one day. So, even if Huck wins Iowa and South Carolina, it doesn't give him enough time to raise enough money to make a serious push into the big daddy states that he'll have to carry in order to win the whole thing.

I'm not exactly sure how things break down, but I imagine that it will be extremely difficult to beat Gules if he carries CA, NY, TX, and FL.

I think a lot of this recent Obama press has been media generated and is not actually real. He's never had a performance in an actual debate to justify it.

Totally agree. His entire campaign has been nothing but media generated hype many are buying into because he isn't named Hillary. He has absolutely nothing on his resume that screams "This man needs to be president!!!".

That said, I think an election between Huck and Obama would go a long way to quell the bitter partisianship we've endured for for the last 12 years or so. Two likable guys who are skeleton free would place all the focus on the issues....and that's exactly why the media is doing its best to make it a scum-driven race between Hillary and Gules.

 

[worldrunover]

Like I said earlier in this thread, Huckabee's biggest problem is that he doesn't have the money to compete on February 5th. Both Roms and Gules have spent practically an entire year raising money for that one day. So, even if Huck wins Iowa and South Carolina, it doesn't give him enough time to raise enough money to make a serious push into the big daddy states that he'll have to carry in order to win the whole thing.

I'm not exactly sure how things break down, but I imagine that it will be extremely difficult to beat Gules if he carries CA, NY, TX, and FL.




Totally agree. His entire campaign has been nothing but media generated hype many are buying into because he isn't named Hillary. He has absolutely nothing on his resume that screams "This man needs to be president!!!".

That said, I think an election between Huck and Obama would go a long way to quell the bitter partisianship we've endured for for the last 12 years or so. Two likable guys who are skeleton free would place all the focus on the issues....and that's exactly why the media is doing its best to make it a scum-driven race between Hillary and Gules.

I think the best thing Huckabee has going for him is the fact he's a Christian (not Mormon or Catholic) and not a moderate from the north. I think both Giuliani and Romney are somewhat ironic Republican candidates and when push comes to shove I don't think the party will vote for either. I originally thought McCain would fill that void but that seems unlikely at this point. But huckabee could do the job of filling in.

 

[Gaborn]

I think the best thing Huckabee has going for him is the fact he's a Christian (not Mormon or Catholic) and not a moderate from the north. I think both Giuliani and Romney are somewhat ironic Republican candidates and when push comes to shove I don't think the party will vote for either. I originally thought McCain would fill that void but that seems unlikely at this point. But huckabee could do the job of filling in.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[bob_arctor]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

?? It's pretty much true. Sure he doesn't believe in evolution and probably thinks the world is only 2,000 years old but those things are a plus to the crowd he's catering to.

The media will probably award a win to Mike Huckabee, the easy listening music candidate at home in any crowd, fluent in simpleton speak and the one man on the stage tonight who led the audience to roaring cheers by boasting that he had a special qualification to be president that none of the second-raters on the stage could match: A degree in Bible Studies from Ouachita Baptist University of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.

 

[Gaborn]

?? It's pretty much true. Sure he doesn't believe in evolution and probably thinks the world is only 2,000 years old but those things are a plus to the crowd he's catering to.

You don't think Catholics qualify as Christians? I mean, I'm not Catholic, nor was I raised Catholic, but I'm pretty darn sure they're Christians, especially in terms of the basic theology. Mormons on the other hand I'll grant have enough... um... extra-biblical views shall we say that I could see why they're a separate category.

 

[bob_arctor]

You don't think Catholics qualify as Christians? I mean, I'm not Catholic, nor was I raised Catholic, but I'm pretty darn sure they're Christians, especially in terms of the basic theology. Mormons on the other hand I'll grant have enough... um... extra-biblical views shall we say that I could see why they're a separate category.

I'm also Catholic but I have no clue as to what I qualify for. I meant more that Huck is decidedly on the evangelical side of things so that's who he appeals to the most, which is a good thing considering that's what the "base" of the GOP seems to be nowadays.

 

[Gaborn]

I'm also Catholic but I have no clue as to what I qualify for. I meant more that Huck is decidedly on the evangelical side of things so that's who he appeals to the most, which is a good thing considering that's what the "base" of the GOP seems to be nowadays.

Well sure, absolutely. I was just laughing at the separation worldrunover used between "Christian" (Rather than evangelical protestant) and "Catholic" I think his basic point and yours is basically correct aside from that.

 

[worldrunover]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I realize Catholics are Christians (so are Mormons by the way), I meant he's some denomination of Protestant, which the MAJORITY of this country is (especially in the bible belt). That counts for a lot down there.

 

[Gaborn]

I realize Catholics are Christians (so are Mormons by the way), I meant he's some denomination of Protestant, which the MAJORITY of this country is (especially in the bible belt). That counts for a lot down there.

I know, as I said I was laughing at your word choice, "Christian" rather than "evangelical protestant" and the implication of it.

And, while I generally agree Mormons can be considered Christians. They're theologically distinct enough that I can also see why some people would not consider them as such.

 

[worldrunover]

I know, as I said I was laughing at your word choice, "Christian" rather than "evangelical protestant" and the implication of it.

And, while I generally agree Mormons can be considered Christians. They're theologically distinct enough that I can also see why some people would not consider them as such.

Fair enough.

 

[APF]

That Youtube video was quite the interrogation.

I was afraid that general was going to snap and waterboard those candidates...

in·ter·ro·gate (ĭn-tĕr'ə-gāt')
tr.v., -gat·ed, -gat·ing, -ga

To examine by questioning formally or officially.

 

[Stoney Mason]

in·ter·ro·gate (ĭn-tĕr'ə-gāt')
tr.v., -gat·ed, -gat·ing, -ga

To examine by questioning formally or officially.

Like I said. If the moderators can ask the questions I have no problems with the American people being able to ask them to.

 

[APF]

And like I said, save the partisan interrogation for the general-election debates, not the debates to determine party nominees.

 

[Stoney Mason]

The media will probably award a win to Mike Huckabee, the easy listening music candidate at home in any crowd, fluent in simpleton speak and the one man on the stage tonight who led the audience to roaring cheers by boasting that he had a special qualification to be president that none of the second-raters on the stage could match: A degree in Bible Studies from Ouachita Baptist University of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.

In other words not enough Bomb the middle east talk

 

[Stoney Mason]

And like I said, save the partisan interrogation for the general-election debates, not the debates to determine party nominees.

And like I said...

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[GenericPseudonym]

Totally agree. His entire campaign has been nothing but media generated hype many are buying into because he isn't named Hillary. He has absolutely nothing on his resume that screams "This man needs to be president!!!".

There's not a single candidate on either side that has such an amazing resume that screams "president". Romney, Giuliani, Richardson and Huckabee have been governors or mayors (of a city large enough to be a state), they have actually run something. The large amount of senators, especially on the democratic side certainly isn't that great as being in the legislature is a lot differnt than being an executive.

 

[Guileless]

So what exactly happened here, I wasn't watching. This retired general previously submitted a question to Youtube, and then CNN chose to play it during the debate, and he just happened to be in the audience and they let him talk extemporaneously for a few minutes more? Did he ask followup questions or what?

 

[Stoney Mason]

So what exactly happened here, I wasn't watching. This retired general previously submitted a question to Youtube, and then CNN chose to play it during the debate, and he just happened to be in the audience and they let him talk extemporaneously for a few minutes more? Did he ask followup questions or what?

CNN flew in a number of the people who's questions were asked. Maybe all of them. Not sure. The General asked his question. The republican candidates answered. He asked the general was he satisfied. (Which he asked some of the other questioner's also). The general said no because his experience was that his sexual orientation didn't effect anything while he served.


http://www.youtube.com/republicandebate

 

[Stoney Mason]

Fred Thompson Challenges Rivals to Low-Key Roundtable Debates

Thursday, November 29, 2007


Following a debate where GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson gave a lackluster performance, the former Tennessee senator is challenging his opponents to meet him for a more personal follow-up — on his terms.

Thompson told FOX News moments after the Republican debate in St. Petersburg, Fla., ended Wednesday night that he next wants to challenge select opponents in a low-key, small-group setting.

"I would like for each of us in small groups ... to sit in small groups and have a discussion, a round-table discussion," Thompson said. "Anybody who's a serious contender for the nomination — I would get to decide as to who I'd get to sit down with, and it'd be several. And I'd do it one-on-one, one-on-three or whatever."

Thompson's comments came after a debate where Republican candidates fielded video questions submitted by viewers on topics ranging from gun control to illegal immigration to the Confederate flag. Some candidates complained afterward of the derisive tone to some of the video submissions.

But Thompson was overshadowed by his rivals over the course of the tense and sometimes-caustic debate.

While Ariz. Sen. John McCain aggressively went after Texas Rep. Ron Paul for his anti-war stances and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani sparred with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney over illegal immigration, Thompson struggled to jump in the fray.
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Asked by moderator Anderson Cooper to explain his recent campaign ad where he criticizes Romney for his past support of abortion rights and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee for his support of tax increases, Thompson hesitated.

Then he quipped, "I just wanted to give my buddies here a little extra airtime."

Thompson got one of his strongest audience responses, though, when he said he would not grant amnesty to illegal immigrants.

"A nation that cannot and will not defend its own borders will not forever remain a sovereign nation. And it's unfair," he said, to loud applause.

He also stirred the crowd after attacking Giuliani for his support of gun control laws, criticism he's tried to emphasize on the trail.

"The Second Amendment is not a choice thing. I mean, it's in the Constitution of the United States," he said. "That's the protection that the people have against."

The former "Law & Order" actor's popularity has steadily fallen in national polls since formalizing his bid in September.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313762,00.html

 

[scorcho]

i find it hard to believe that someone at CNN didn't run a background check and figure this guy's association. as to the OUTRAGE behind it - yawn. i wouldn't care who asked the question so long as a valid question asked.

 

[APF]

That's what I said about the whole FEMA thing but no one listened

 

[Stoney Mason]

That's what I said about the whole FEMA thing but no one listened

Except they asked AND answered the question.

 

[scorcho]

good ol' APF. how i missed thee!