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Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch
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TheKaeptain
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Opus Angelorum said:
GOTY 2008.
Just got back from the midnight show.....movie was meh, visuals were nice. I luv looking at all these girls in the movie but the action shots were stereotypical and the slow mo,, jesus, stop with this shit. Only scene like the best was when the girls were kicking ass in the trenches. Really though, I give this movie a 3 out of 5. Definitely getting it when it comes out on blu ray but its nothing memorable in my book. I wanna bang Babydoll soo hard!!!! 
Woah, lol! I agree on this review totally but its a popcorn flick just to blow your load for a couple hours. If you go in thinking that the movie is trying to be some Citizen Kane type of shit, your out of luck there.petethepanda said:
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
No doubt.. It almost convinced meezekial45 said:
I will make up my own mind, but if even the genre geeks thought it was offensive.. Well...onlyindreams
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Read Devin Faraci's review.BocoDragon said:No doubt.. It almost convinced me
The movie is awesome but very very flawed.
That review isnt really surprising. It pretty much says everything i think about the movie from the trailers alone.
It looks like overblown shit. Like a geek set loose with a big budget. What do we get? hot chicks in hot outfits, mechas and shit, pretty stuff visually, but a shitty movie.
It looks like overblown shit. Like a geek set loose with a big budget. What do we get? hot chicks in hot outfits, mechas and shit, pretty stuff visually, but a shitty movie.
Zod the Bear
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Used a friend's spare ticket to swing by the midnight showing.
AICN's review got it right.
AICN's review got it right.
TheKaeptain
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onlyindreams said:
Well a movie can't be awesome if the story is shit. So if that is its biggest flaw Snyder failed in making a good film.
ezekial45 said:
Zack Snyder as an original filmmaker hasnt been really tested. All of his work is adapted from another media so far. Be it a remake of an old movie, a comic book or a children's book.
And frankly, from the look of his films (wich i like, but i also like the material they're based on) and the way he acts and talks on interviews and such, he doesnt seem like the guy that could pull off a "cleverly tied up" movie. Not saying he's stupid or bad or anything here, its just the way he expresses himself about his projects. "Oh yeah anime chicks and huge robots go boom (in SLOWMOOOOO) and shit".
TheKaeptain
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Veidt said:
When should we expect a "GREATEST MOVIE EVER" post from you?
I'm watching this movie tomorrow. Going in with the lowest expectations I can possibly have.
Way Of The Dragon and a plethora of other films says you are wrong.CaptYamato said:
See, this is wrong with critics/reviewers when it comes to this film. It is not meant to have a good story at all. There's dragons, samurai swords and nazi zombies for goodness sake!
I don't know Cap. I think you won't like it at all. Your expectations have been set so low, that you're probably going in, and just looking for flaws that may well legitimately be there in some instances, but also making a flaw of things that most likely aren't. At this point, the film has to probably get to TDK levels of good for you to even consider it a functioning film.CaptYamato said:
And I do not know why people still don't realize how my 'greatest movie ever' posts are complete and utter sarcasm.
As for me, I am not expecting anything other than girls shooting guns and using samurai swords to slay dragons.
Phloxy said:
The problem, from the sound of it, isn't that people can't accept the concept of one reality affecting another (a la The Matrix or Inception), but that the way the film is structured you know that all the actions the protagonists take will be meaningless as the film tells you they lose in the first five minutes.
Edit: Yeah, I know that this is wrong, but I don't like deleting posts that much.
TheKaeptain
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Veidt said:
Japan makes like 50 of those a year. If you really want to see a movie like that at least watch one that is meant to be cheesy.
Most of the ones in japan most certainly aren't meant to be cheesy. Casshern is not meant to be cheesy at all, but it's cheesy as hell, almost unwatchable, aside from what? A few action scenes.
But I have watched Machine Gun Girl and others. Which I have somewhat enjoyed.
But I have watched Machine Gun Girl and others. Which I have somewhat enjoyed.
TOM f'N CRUISE
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sucks that they barely show any of the other girls in commercials...
mac said:
Without having seen the film, there's a limit to how much I can comment. And, on the face of it, I don't expressedly disagree with you. If a character's journey is interesting enough, then seeing how they come to a point in the present, even if it means that their journey was ultimately futile, can still be enjoyable.
It's just I read this:
And I think it makes a lot of sense.
But that wasn't what I wrote in my original post, so mea culpa.
Veidt said:
Yeah, my mistake.
Edit: So, to adjust what I origianally wrote, is that the difference between the realities in Sucker Punch and those in Inception and the Matrix is that, per Sucker Punch's own storyline, it doesn't have a separate reality. It has a fantasy.
But I haven't seen the film, so I'll shut up before I dig myself into too much of a hole.
Just got back, saw it with a group from friends from work, and reactions were pretty mixed/meh. My overall opinion is pretty mixed.
On a musical level, the movie was very good. Fantastic musical selection, and used so much better than Watchmen. I loved how Snyder had 1 song for each action scene, and how that one song would bookend each scene. As an audio-visual work, it totally clicked.
As far as the action scenes, the scene I expected to like the most (The Orcs and Dragon) ended up the weakest, and the one I expected to be the weakest (The Robots on the Train) ended up the best. Some pretty fucking great choreography in there. Overall the action definitely made an impact, but its hard not to think it would have been even better with an R.
But, as an overall movie, theres an unshakeable feeling that SOMETHING is missing. This is a movie where Dancing, more than anything, is the focal point. Yet there is none of it. And to make it even more strange, with the way that the film is put together, I really have no clue how all the deleted dance sequences would even fit in the movie. Its totally puzzling.
The film honestly feels like it's heart is in the Dance, yet all the arteries to it are clogged.
I didn't love the movie, I didn't hate it either. There are too many things in the movie that I enjoyed to hate it, and there are too many things that annoyed me for me to love it. Im kinda in the middle. I guess, in a way my biggest disappointment is just how straightforward it is. One of the reasons I was so looking forward to it was to see how these crazy musical sequences, action scenes, etc would all meld. But with the removal of one of those elements, there was only one way for the movie to go...
Im definitely looking forward to the Directors Cut, because, really, the movie can only get better. But yeah, I cant even imagine where some of the cut stuff would even fit, like the John Hamm scene that was cut.
On a musical level, the movie was very good. Fantastic musical selection, and used so much better than Watchmen. I loved how Snyder had 1 song for each action scene, and how that one song would bookend each scene. As an audio-visual work, it totally clicked.
As far as the action scenes, the scene I expected to like the most (The Orcs and Dragon) ended up the weakest, and the one I expected to be the weakest (The Robots on the Train) ended up the best. Some pretty fucking great choreography in there. Overall the action definitely made an impact, but its hard not to think it would have been even better with an R.
But, as an overall movie, theres an unshakeable feeling that SOMETHING is missing. This is a movie where Dancing, more than anything, is the focal point. Yet there is none of it. And to make it even more strange, with the way that the film is put together, I really have no clue how all the deleted dance sequences would even fit in the movie. Its totally puzzling.
The film honestly feels like it's heart is in the Dance, yet all the arteries to it are clogged.
I didn't love the movie, I didn't hate it either. There are too many things in the movie that I enjoyed to hate it, and there are too many things that annoyed me for me to love it. Im kinda in the middle. I guess, in a way my biggest disappointment is just how straightforward it is. One of the reasons I was so looking forward to it was to see how these crazy musical sequences, action scenes, etc would all meld. But with the removal of one of those elements, there was only one way for the movie to go...
Im definitely looking forward to the Directors Cut, because, really, the movie can only get better. But yeah, I cant even imagine where some of the cut stuff would even fit, like the John Hamm scene that was cut.
BocoDragon
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I don't really care if this movie is "dumb"... I only have a problem if it's boring, or obnoxious...
gerg said:
Not your fault at all. You were just relaying what others have said.
I see another comparison to draw, with pan's labyrinth. Most agree on the interpretation that the girl takes a fantasy trip that ultimately doesn't mean anything.
Veidt said:
Now, having seen Pan's Labyrinth (although, not all in one sitting), I guess you could say that at least in that film there is the ambiguity over what is actually happening. If Sucker Punch is as expressed as it seems in regards to what is fantasy and what is not I can see why things would be more boring.
Plus, iirc, in that film things happen to other characters in reality which we aren't told the outcome of in the opening scenes.
Dead said:
Can you give an example?
My question would be: If I dream that I'm fighting giant robots with four other women, would it matter if, in that dream, one of those women died?
gerg said:
One of the main girls is killed during the "real world" events that take place during the last action sequence, and her death is paralleled in the Fantasy. Additionally, two of the other girls are shot in the head at point blank range by the club owner after that incident.
There are consequences, for everything that happens. Fantasy action scene or no. Its not the Fantasy scene that affects the real world, but the other way around. The Fantasy scenes are simply Baby Dolls way of escaping from the gaze of the lecherous club owners and customers
Dead said:
I see what you mean but I think you misunderstood my point, or at least I didn't express myself well. My point was that (at the least) the fantasy-within-a-fantasy scenes seem pointless and without weight, which by your own explanation you don't seem to deny.
In any case, I'm prepared to admit that I was wrong. (And I was going to say for you not to bother typing your post, so I'm also prepared to end the discussion here.)
I guess it depends.
In a way, Im not even sure that the
For those that have seen the movie:
In a way, Im not even sure that the
characters that were killed were even real to begin with.
For those that have seen the movie:
I think that the Brothel Fantasy was Sweet Pea's, and that the Action scene Fantasies, as well as the ending, were Baby Doll's
Enosh
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petethepanda said:
this is the criticism? god i miss the lol smiley
I know that the protagonist is never in denger until the last 5 min in 99.9% of all movies
no one is going to kill of dicaprio in inception in the first 5 min, no one is going to kill off neo when he first gets the call, by that defenition all action scenes in almost every movie are compleatly meaningless since you know the protagonist is never in danger beacose you have seen him in the next scene in the god damned trailer
6/10
Had a lot of stupid shit, and some really great fight scenes.
The whole "things don't matter because they all happen in a fantasy world" is way overblown. A film is in a fantasy world to begin with. Doesn't stop you from getting drawn in.
If you browse YouTube watching fight scenes from movies, you will probably enjoy Sucker Punch to some degree.
Had a lot of stupid shit, and some really great fight scenes.
The whole "things don't matter because they all happen in a fantasy world" is way overblown. A film is in a fantasy world to begin with. Doesn't stop you from getting drawn in.
If you browse YouTube watching fight scenes from movies, you will probably enjoy Sucker Punch to some degree.
To Far Away Times
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Just got back from the midnight showing. Good action scenes but the plot really turned me off from the movie. The movie barely remembers an important plot point from early in the film and wraps up in a really shitty and unsatisfying way. I'd save myself the 10 bucks and see something else if I had to do it all over again.
Here's a nice review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMf9IB7jWUA&feature=feedu
Spoiler: All the cool slow-mo fight scenes are
scenes.
Spoiler: All the cool slow-mo fight scenes are
Dream/fantasy
Gerg, I'm curious, if you have no interest at all in seeing a film, why would you bother to not only participate in discussion about a film, but continue to attempt to debate about in using points which you can either claim are your own, or even verify that you would agree with them since you have no interest in experiencing it for yourself?
Wtf is the point? You don't want to see the movie, don't bother talking about it.
Wtf is the point? You don't want to see the movie, don't bother talking about it.
The Take Out Bandit
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As I nodded off to sleep last night, I prayed to Zod this movie tanks and WB removes Snyder from Superman and replaces him with the Super Wachowski Bros.
duckroll said:
Because it's an interesting discussion. I'm happy to be wrong, and I'm not meaning to troll.
I came into the thread with a vague interest in seeing the film, but that dissipated somewhat when I started reading the reviews - my line about "having no interest to see this film" was probably an overstatement. The film's just low on priorities, such that I don't mind being spoiled.
The Take Out Bandit said:
Why stop at that? I would love to see Uwe Boll direct a Superman movie.
gerg said:
No, it's not an interesting discussion. An interesting discussion is one where well informed people talk about a subject and offer their personal views on an issue based on their experience or opinion on the subject first hand. A stupid discussion is when someone with no interest in a subject wants to talk about it anyway without wanting to actually bother understanding the topic of the discussion.
Maybe interesting for you, but stupid for everyone else.
duckroll said:
Fine, point taken. I'll stop.
But, I would say that it's not fair to say that I have no interest in this. I must have enough interest in the topic to want to talk about it, of course. But, I do agree that I sometimes go too far when talking about something which I know little about.
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