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Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch
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Vincent Alexander
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+10 points for mentioning Titicut Follies. I was going to bring it up, then figured no one would know what I was talking about.mac said:
Jaekwon15 makes every thread fun. We really need a "subscribe to user" button.Acid08 said:
Vincent Alexander
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I meant to say about your (Dead) post earlier, in regards to the alternate ending. I was actually expecting
to go back into her fantasy world after the lobotomy, and would've enjoyed it. Not sure how I feel about them all joining in together on stage and singing though....
Jill Sandwich
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I think it should have been 60 minutes of the girls making out in slow motion to Careless Whisper.
I understand what this movie was trying to be. I really do.
However, it just wasn't very good. I cared for none of the characters and the action, although unrelenting, was just an incoherent mess. I knew that this was going to be a shut-your-brain-off type flick but it was just boring.
I mean, its like Snyder just watched a bunch of anime and tried to imitate it. I like the guy as a director and have enjoyed all of his movies besides this one. It just failed on an entertainment level.
A note to directors on the CG as well. This is the main reason on went to watch it on the big screen but all of it felt like it had no weight. If your going to make the graphics that heavy try and ground a bit of it in reality first. By means of setting or practical effects because if you don't, then you don't believe.
Rocket was hot and a bit endearing and she was well acted. Same for the older sister. The main character though couldn't hold the weight of the movie IMO.
However, it just wasn't very good. I cared for none of the characters and the action, although unrelenting, was just an incoherent mess. I knew that this was going to be a shut-your-brain-off type flick but it was just boring.
I mean, its like Snyder just watched a bunch of anime and tried to imitate it. I like the guy as a director and have enjoyed all of his movies besides this one. It just failed on an entertainment level.
A note to directors on the CG as well. This is the main reason on went to watch it on the big screen but all of it felt like it had no weight. If your going to make the graphics that heavy try and ground a bit of it in reality first. By means of setting or practical effects because if you don't, then you don't believe.
Rocket was hot and a bit endearing and she was well acted. Same for the older sister. The main character though couldn't hold the weight of the movie IMO.
Duane Cunningham
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I really saw it as a tribute to anime/video games/comics in the same light as a Tarantino movie. Jackie Brown was both a parody and a love letter to a specific genre (70's blaxploitation) and so was Kill Bill (70's kung fu). This was Zach Snyder's equivalent tribute to nerdy shit.
It was deliberately, gleefully ridiculous. To me, it felt like reading some old 90's Vertigo one-shot with really gorgeous art and a trippy if somewhat juvenile storyline. I thought it was great.
It was deliberately, gleefully ridiculous. To me, it felt like reading some old 90's Vertigo one-shot with really gorgeous art and a trippy if somewhat juvenile storyline. I thought it was great.
Summary Man
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Jill Sandwich said:
This made me laugh (and fantasize) WAY more than it should have. Bravo, sir.
Vibram6finger
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Soundtrack was awesome.
I ended up liking the film quite a lot. It had a really dark and quite tragic undertone I wasn't expecting. It has a lot of interesting action sequences, but it's definitely not an action movie. In the end I really enjoyed the bits between the action and I thought the acting was pretty damned good on most fronts. None of the girls seemed to be phoning it in to me.
I'll be picking this up on blu-ray for sure.
*quick edit* For a film with such a heavy topic I really would have preferred an R rating. Not that it needed it, but I feel it would have made for a better film.
I'll be picking this up on blu-ray for sure.
*quick edit* For a film with such a heavy topic I really would have preferred an R rating. Not that it needed it, but I feel it would have made for a better film.
Just saw this. It's somewhat ironic that Kotaku's once seemingly bombastic article title now seems to make total sense - this was the only movie I really wanted to see this year, and it fucking sucked.
Stop comparing this to Speed Racer - this was empty calorie garbage. Great ideas, with a horribly flawed premise and even worse execution. This wasn't a Hollywood film, it was a 2-hour long cover band music video - and it was only that damn long because the whole thing was in slow motion. I thought the slow mo bitching was overwrought, as it typically is, but the complaints on that front are right on point - and I love slow mo.
Sweet Pea says something to the effect of, "Dancing should mean something. It's more than random gyrating and titillation".
Snyder could not have written that line.
Stop comparing this to Speed Racer - this was empty calorie garbage. Great ideas, with a horribly flawed premise and even worse execution. This wasn't a Hollywood film, it was a 2-hour long cover band music video - and it was only that damn long because the whole thing was in slow motion. I thought the slow mo bitching was overwrought, as it typically is, but the complaints on that front are right on point - and I love slow mo.
Sweet Pea says something to the effect of, "Dancing should mean something. It's more than random gyrating and titillation".
Snyder could not have written that line.
Vincent Alexander
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I could be wrong, but I think this line was a jab at "elitists". Maybe Sucker Punch has no point, and that's fine? That's how I take the line anyway.Kimosabae said:
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah, I'd probably say it's impossible. Unless the point is to not have a point. But in that case, there would be a point. -Head explodes-Kimosabae said:
Saw it last night...
It's sticking in my head which is a good sign. Random thoughts:
-Soundtrack was interesting. (Not as good as Tron IMO)
-Train sequence seemed the most interesting shot followed closely by the trenches
-Sweet Pea was hot, and her and Rocket seemed to have a somewhat believable (LOL) connection.
-Would have loved to seen the actual dances.
-Was a tad disjointed, the CGI didn't hold any "weight" (this is a big problem with a lot of CGI)
I probably will pick up the DC Blu-Ray cuz it seems there was more to this movie then what I saw, and that way I can skip thru the parts I don't want to watch. (The dialog!)
It's sticking in my head which is a good sign. Random thoughts:
-Soundtrack was interesting. (Not as good as Tron IMO)
-Train sequence seemed the most interesting shot followed closely by the trenches
-Sweet Pea was hot, and her and Rocket seemed to have a somewhat believable (LOL) connection.
-Would have loved to seen the actual dances.
-Was a tad disjointed, the CGI didn't hold any "weight" (this is a big problem with a lot of CGI)
I probably will pick up the DC Blu-Ray cuz it seems there was more to this movie then what I saw, and that way I can skip thru the parts I don't want to watch. (The dialog!)
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Jill Sandwich said:
I would so pay to see this lol.
BTW I for one really enjoyed Sucker Punch. While not a perfect movie by any stretch it was nowhere near as bad as many critics and movie goers alike are making it out to be.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/2962-Sucker-Punch
The most spot on review that I've come across so far.
Vincent Alexander
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Damn. I've never watched a single one of their film reviews, but that was good. I especially liked his comparison between Sucker Punch and Inception. I'll be checking his reviews out more often.xxxstylzxxx said:
xxxstylzxxx said:
'Intensely personal heart, mind, and soul we hardly ever get to see in big budget blockbusters' LOL. That's a terrible review
Edit: Watched it again to confirm. His argument for the movie empowering women is 'WELL ALL THE GUYS ARE BAD'. It just sounds like he's trying to defend the movie as opposed to giving a rounded opinion of it. *Dismissive wank*
xxxstylzxxx
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michaelsrevenge said:
What about that statement is in any way inaccurate? Those particular elements are hard to come by in big budget blockbusters. Sure you'll get your fair share of high quality cinematic experiences in the form of B.O. successes like "The Dark Knight" but films of that stature seem to be a rarity these days.
Dreams-Visions
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he makes some good points.xxxstylzxxx said:
it doesn't make me like the "wrap up moral of the story" about being the master of your own fate, though. I think it could have driven home the question of "what is reality?" more strongly...as it is in that where I find the most value.
I may have tuned in and out during the "wrap up", so if that's what was being communicated rather than the "...it's you", please correct me.
it was about as much soul and heart as Zack is capable of. so if you curve the grading scale...big ander said:
firehawk12
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That Escapist review's last argument about male gaze makes no sense... because at that point, the Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider films become grrrrrrl power films as well.
I mean, this thing ain't exactly Thelma and Louise.
I mean, this thing ain't exactly Thelma and Louise.
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it's thelma and louise with perfect thighs.firehawk12 said:
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I could see someone trying to remake Thelma and Louise with two starlets who make out with each other for 30 minutes now.Dreams-Visions said:it's thelma and louise with perfect thighs.
xxxstylzxxx
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michaelsrevenge said:
I don't get that impression at all. I think his analysis was thorough enough to justify his opinion as to why he thought it was a good film. He also went out of his way to acknowledge it's shortcomings and was fully aware that it would have its fair share of detractors for the very same reasons that he and movie goers like myself found to be appealing.
You have every right to disagree with his points but to classify it as a terrible review is not giving credit where credit is due.
firehawk12
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I don't like Snyder at all, but I could give him the first part of the review. Once he started talking about how women were represented in the film, he completely lost me.xxxstylzxxx said:
The girls in this film are the natural fanboy progression of Trinity from the Matrix films. I don't deny that they're supposedly strong women, but they're still male fantasies of strong women.
Yeah, they weren't fucking Ellen Ripley, they were just straight nerd fantasy generic. I really don't understand how someone could be praising their representation.firehawk12 said:
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood what he was trying to say. It's late and I'm half zoned out. Fuck it.
Dreams-Visions
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yea, I think you left a bit prematurely. it was just her escape/coping mechanism going active.Zeal said:
xxxstylzxxx
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firehawk12 said:
A fair critique. While I do agree with the women empowerment angle, I do have a hard time buying into the fact that a young girl would envision a group of females kicking ass in the manner that they did all the while sporting knee high boots and fishnets stockings. Sure I guess Snyder was trying to convey to the audience that they were visual representations of the versions that we see in the Brothel reality but I can fully understand why some people would find that difficult to accept. Like I said, the movie wasn't perfect but I still feel that it delivered as far as my expectations based on what I saw in the trailers.
Dreams-Visions said:
Yep. I just don't get what's so outrageous or silly about battling giant samurai mechs and nazi zombies yet a movie like Scott Pilgrim (a film that I also enjoy BTW) which features defeated adversaries bursting into Mario coins is, on the other hand, totally acceptable.
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Do you live in Bakersfield?Zeal said:
Horrible movie. The action wasn't even good. There wasn't even any real choreography to the fight scenes. Just slow-mo jump twirl, slow-mo of close-up sword slicing through things, and then your typical gun fights. The CG opening from Onimusha 3 had way better action than all of the action in this film.
What kind of fanboy is this movie supposed to appeal to anyway? I don't see how any kind of fanboy would consider this movie enjoyable.
What kind of fanboy is this movie supposed to appeal to anyway? I don't see how any kind of fanboy would consider this movie enjoyable.
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