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Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch
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jaekwon15 said:
Rocket ran away from home and Sweet Pea followed her. This was discussed in the brothel. It's Rocket's fault that they both ended up inside, though what she did was never said.
Dreams-Visions
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pretty damn cool.Dead said:
xxxstylzxxx said:
As mentioned earlier, the props given at the beginning are well deserved. Snyder has a good eye for what he does, and excels in his niche. One of the best of our time? Debatable, but for some sure why not. But the basis of his review is 'some people are going to like this, but others totally won't just because'. He clearly likes it.
He says it's 'game-changing', but doesn't explain why. Because he takes a bunch of different unoriginal ideas, combines them and makes it pretty? He says it's like other game-changers, but other than the similarities what does it offer? The review also boasts about the movies immense imagination and originality but the movie is literally different parts of other things, paraphrasing him now, 'thrown at the canvas'. He literally contradicts himself. Also, he didn't really acknowledge any shortcomings, if anything slightly using them in a very specific way to support his own praise of the film (women may be dressed like sluts, but BURLESQUE).
I realize it's not a professional review and it's supposed to be fun, it's good that someone's giving props for what Zach's doing. I just don't think it's a very good review. More of a Defense Force
xxxstylzxxx
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That overhead shot of Sweet Pea after being shot up from the train says hi. Not that I really had a problem with it myself as I gained a new appreciation for Abbie Cornish as a result of Snyder's unique visual approach ;-) Also on a semi-related note Jamie Chung is just......
Dreams-Visions
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xxxstylzxxx said:
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Dreams-Visions said:
<3
Vincent Alexander
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Just listened to The Escapist review of "Robin Hood." He definitely knows how to review a flick.
Also, Rocket is the best. Don't even try to argue:
Also, Rocket is the best. Don't even try to argue:
Dreams-Visions
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the best at what? lol. this
is all a man needs in life.
is all a man needs in life.
LiveFromKyoto
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Lebron said:
So sexist!
Dead to Rights
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Baby Doll > Rest of cast! Stop fronting guys.
xxxstylzxxx
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Dreams-Visions said:
The Abominable Snowman
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Well, one thing that confused me, is that if it was her coping mechanism, what the hell was she dancing / fighting the cook for and needed the music playing?
Stupid ass movie.
Stupid ass movie.
LiveFromKyoto
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Lebron said:
Don't get me wrong, I love the avatar. It just kinda went weird with your statement.
Dreams-Visions
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she was dancing to distract the cook while they stole one of his knives. she wanted music to help her get lost in the dancing and go "somewhere else" for a few minutes.The Abominable Snowman said:
Dead to Rights said:
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Look.. he clearly meant Blu-ray! Don't hurt him! Put away the weapon, and we can all go home...neorej said:
The Abominable Snowman
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So what was that part when the radio cord broke and they were scrambling for a second until the water somehow magically "connected" the two broken ends of the radio?Dreams-Visions said:
Did the radio come back on and she just started dancing in the middle of the scrap?
I'm not gonna even comment on the random barring the doors and grinding on the cook after we found out the cook was a rapist
Dumb ass fucking movie.
Just seen it. Liked it quite a bit. It's pretty much what I expected before the bad reviews were published, so I'm pleased.
About the ending:
Other opinions?
About the ending:
Sweet Pea and Babydoll are the same person, right? Sweet Pea "invented" Babydoll and somehow found a way to trick her lobotomy: While Sweet Pea could escape to some sort of "fantasy paradise", her Babydoll-persona fell victim to the lobotomy.
Also, "both" Sweet Pea and Babydoll lost their younger sisters. And both get help escaping by the same old guy.
I think both are one and the same (schizophreniac) girl.
But then again...maybe the only time we ever see Sweet Pea in reality is when she sits on her bed in the beginning? And everything else is Babydolls fantasy? Then Sweet Pea really escaped, but the part when she gets on the bus is just how Babydoll imagines her escape?
Also, "both" Sweet Pea and Babydoll lost their younger sisters. And both get help escaping by the same old guy.
I think both are one and the same (schizophreniac) girl.
But then again...maybe the only time we ever see Sweet Pea in reality is when she sits on her bed in the beginning? And everything else is Babydolls fantasy? Then Sweet Pea really escaped, but the part when she gets on the bus is just how Babydoll imagines her escape?
Other opinions?
spandexmonkey
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Saw this over the weekend, really enjoyed it. My wife in particular liked it, she felt the drama sequences were more intense than the action due to the context. The film was much darker than I was expecting.
Not following you. What I remember is the water hit the frayed wires and shorted the radio, interrupting the dance and snapping the cook out of his trance.
Rocket has been forced to have sex with people for some time by this point. I don't think it's unreasonable for her to be able to suppress her disgust for a performance.
Not following you. What I remember is the water hit the frayed wires and shorted the radio, interrupting the dance and snapping the cook out of his trance.
Rocket has been forced to have sex with people for some time by this point. I don't think it's unreasonable for her to be able to suppress her disgust for a performance.
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Pezking said:
Interesting theory, but I'm not sure if what we see supports it.
The "sensei" tells Babydoll that she will discover the perfect victory. I think the point is that Babydoll redeems herself for accidentally shooting her sister by giving up her chance at freedom to Sweat Pea - another girl who has suffered similarly to herself. She "wins" on multiple levels. Notice how even Blue gets screwed over in the end. Lobotomized Babydoll seems content, even a little smirking, in her fugue state.
The old man being the same guy as the bus driver is artistic license, I think. A creepy little nod to synchronicity.
The old man being the same guy as the bus driver is artistic license, I think. A creepy little nod to synchronicity.
spandexmonkey
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Kaijima said:
Thats pretty much what I got out of the ending as well.
I do love a bittersweet ending and this one pulled it off nicely in my opinion. I do wish Amber and Blondie were beaten instead of murdered though so they could escape too, but that scene in the dressing room was made that much more startling because of it.
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I think they did a terrible job of showing who actually killed her little sister. did the step dad do it or did she? the movie needs more inception style cut backs to each set of reality. During a fight scene we should see what the dance looks like, and what the real world looks like as well.
I dont see any possible way of them actually being shot, how would the police not launch an investigation or come in the same way they did at the end for a botched lobotomy.
to echo my previous statement, we all need to see what actually happened.
to echo my previous statement, we all need to see what actually happened.
Nice to see some real discussion in here! I saw the movie this past weekend (despite seeing many lukewarm-to-bad reviews). I liked it for what it was and found it pretty compelling in places. I think it's quite flawed in places and some of the dialogue is quite awkward. But there's a good story in there somewhere and perhaps, in other hands, it could be told more effectively. I just don't get the hate some people have for this flick.
I loved the movie through and through. I didn't see any reviews before seeing it and am completely shocked that it got as many bad ones as it sounds like it did (I still haven't checked).
Some bits were a little confusing to me though, but after talking it over with the gf we settled on a few conclusions.
. That's about as far as we got, though Kajima's theory above that
is really interesting. We hadn't considered that and it fits surprisingly well.
Some bits were a little confusing to me though, but after talking it over with the gf we settled on a few conclusions.
There are 3 realities. Real life, the brothel reality, and the stylized action reality. Because the stylized reality is so freakishly different from real life, Baby Doll created the brothel fantasy as a way to bridge the gap between the two and connect everything. In real life, Blue was raping (or whatever) the girls in the chair we see at the end. So the brothel fantasy makes them into prostitutes and dancers that have men lusting after them everywhere they go...a twisted kind of empowerment, but they're still slaves to Blue even in the fantasy. And obviously when she dances in the brothel, she goes into the stylized reality that shows the urgency they feel to get out and how much hurt they're willing to dish out to do it.
Baby Doll and Sweet Pea are the same person
xxxstylzxxx
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http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/sucker-punch-audio-review
For those looking for some sort of clarification I urge you to read the posts by Emily Chambers. She makes some very interesting points about the metaphorical aspects associated with the events that take place in the film. It actually makes me appreciate Snyder's approach even more now.
For those looking for some sort of clarification I urge you to read the posts by Emily Chambers. She makes some very interesting points about the metaphorical aspects associated with the events that take place in the film. It actually makes me appreciate Snyder's approach even more now.
Here's a really great analysis of Sucker Punch. The author makes some really great points. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/logan-nakyanzi-pollard/sucker-punch-am-i-the-onl_b_841791.html
spandexmonkey
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Sometimes I wonder if the hate for this movie is because what is happening to these women is so upsetting. I'm certain some men might feel helpless knowing that these beautiful women
and there's nothing they can do about it. Without anyone to blame, they attack the film, because it's making them upset.
Like saying the Wrestler was a horrible movie because it makes you feel sad. Just a thought.
The Spill guys have always hated Snyder, I purposely avoided their review because of it. Scroll down to read Emily Chambers responses, they're pretty decent.
are being raped
Like saying the Wrestler was a horrible movie because it makes you feel sad. Just a thought.
Kimosabae said:
The Spill guys have always hated Snyder, I purposely avoided their review because of it. Scroll down to read Emily Chambers responses, they're pretty decent.
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Zeal said:
I know, man, I was promised a historical documentary about feudal Japan. I'm so pissed.
spandexmonkey said:
So if someone is critical of a movie, it's not because the elements they've abstracted are deemed negative, but their subconscious is playing Gapetto their consciousness?
C'mon.
Chamber's responses, while insightful in regards to the imagery and ideas present in movie, are ultimately meaningless in the face of any criticisms aimed at the movie's premise and execution. No one denies SP has some cool ideas and potentially potent metaphors going on here. The criticisms cite that they don't congeal into anything worth a damn, due to a sloppy plot and zero character development.
spandexmonkey
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Kimosabae said:
I made my statement to broad. There are valid criticisms and I'm not talking about those. I can't disagree with someone who points out the film's flaws in character development, dialogue, or how many of the metaphors miss out on chances to have bigger meanings beyond the flashy special effects.
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Zeal said:
Hahahaha, this is gold. I can just imagine you sitting in the theater and spazzing out during that scene. "Whhaaa?! Didn't the creators of this movie realize that bazookas and gatling guns didn't exist in feudal Japan? This is OUTRAGEOUS and an insult to my knowledge of history! Harrumph!"
But you're right, that was probably an accidental anachronism nobody but you noticed. Hahaha.
I don't get how this is supposed to be a female empowerment movie.Bit-Bit said:
4/5 of the girls end up dying (one "dying" from lobotomy), all powerless to prevent their fate, two of them crying, one after falling apart emotionally and snitching. All of them except one suffered worse or equal fates than if they had literally done nothing.
If anything, I speculate that this is one reason why audiences had a bad reaction towards the movie. Because the message of the movie is conflicting, and what takes place in the fantasy doesn't pay off or isn't reflected in the rest of the film.
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Bottom line: they needed a knife and the nasty-ass cook was the only one who had one. Getting it meant going through him, disgusting as it was. All of which was the point.
no, the cord wasn't broken; it was frayed. they showed it before she even started dancing, obviously foreshadowing that something was about to go wrong. later they showed water starting to move in the direction of the frayed part of the cable. when it touched, the music stopped and she came out of her imaginative state.The Abominable Snowman said:
Before Rocket got stabbed, the cable got moved during the scuffle, enabling the radio and subsequent music to come back on. Baby Doll clearly felt so little power over the situation unfolding before her eyes that she decided the only way she might be able to help Rocket was to go back to dancing. As if it would again distract the cook. We understand that it wouldn't work at all, and I think that was the point. It articulates how powerless she felt...that dancing some more was the only contribution she could offer. Maybe she also went back to dancing because it had become her best mental escape from all the craziness going on.The Abominable Snowman said:
They played the only hand they felt they had. Their "mission" was to get one of his knives...without him knowing about it. In all fairness, their options were very limited. How could they get one of his knives without him knowing and either (a) attacking one of them or (b) telling the shady dude in charge? They simply decided that distracting him with a dance would afford them the opportunity to get one. It would have worked, had the frayed cable incident not happened.The Abominable Snowman said:
Bottom line: they needed a knife and the nasty-ass cook was the only one who had one. Getting it meant going through him, disgusting as it was. All of which was the point.
Well that's like your opinion, man.The Abominable Snowman said:
Dreams-Visions
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Real life yields conflicting results.Korey said:
See: Libya. In the fight for freedom/liberty/empowerment, some people might fall. Some will die. But it doesn't make the cause any less just or the effort any less worthy.
If you look at the movie purely in the context of enslaved women with no hope concocting and executing a brilliant plan to gather off-limits items and materials and win their freedom...well yea, some died along the way. But isn't it always better to di free than live a slave?
the rest was just icing on top of that exceedingly dark cake.
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Well yea, sorry you were expecting a different movie than you got? If you need every movie you watch to come complete with a feel-good story and happy ending, you would indeed be dissatisfied with this film. Nothing wrong with that; it's just not what you want when you see a movie. Some people appreciate imperfect endings. Even prefer them...because they're more realistic. It was much too complicated for that kind of happy ending.Korey said:
it's always nice when something works out. sometimes, shit goes wrong. See: real life, where you can do everything you're supposed to do and still lose. they went that direction. "Stand for something, or fall for anything." augmented with a dash of "better to die on your feet than live on your knees."Korey said:
Though tbh, if "living on your knees" was a Swedish prison, I'd take life on my knees. those prisons are plush!
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