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ZombiU Dev-Walkthrough and Direct Feed Footage: Survival Horror is Back!
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another awesome idea haha ubisoft should read this topic
Looks weak. Completely unnecessary use of the gamepad screen. Hey, instead of looking at the tv screen look at the gamepad screen and do the same! The player isn't multitasking, he just switches his attention from one screen to another - you could have easily layered those inventory stuff on the main screen on top of live gameplay. Even when scanning the world the player doesn't actually line up the wii u pad to the tv screen.
If Zombie U supposed to sell me on the two screen things, it doesn't. Makes it look as gimmicky and redundant as i suspected it to be used.
And what's up with the concept of one live? It's silly. You die, another player 'spawns' and then you get to the last checkpoint your were with your deceased character by getting into a sewer (?) hatch. So you are bound to take your items from the body. So what's up with the 'one life, no checkpoints' message they are trying to sell? There are checkpoints and you will get your old backpack back and you will have to retread some ground when you die and assume the next person. It's not like an open city where you spawn randomly across it.
If Zombie U supposed to sell me on the two screen things, it doesn't. Makes it look as gimmicky and redundant as i suspected it to be used.
And what's up with the concept of one live? It's silly. You die, another player 'spawns' and then you get to the last checkpoint your were with your deceased character by getting into a sewer (?) hatch. So you are bound to take your items from the body. So what's up with the 'one life, no checkpoints' message they are trying to sell? There are checkpoints and you will get your old backpack back and you will have to retread some ground when you die and assume the next person. It's not like an open city where you spawn randomly across it.
do we know that? do you always spawn at the same spot when you start a new survivor?
if you always start at the same place with the same setup, then the whole "one life" thing is going to get old fast. if it's random it becomes more interesting.
I hear it was at random spots with a different survivor but then there is the question of how many random spots did they create
Always-honest
Banned
Will this be the scanning i the new Metroid?
Pretty much guaranteed.
I like the idea of Zombi-U so I will keep an eye on it but I am hoping it is fleshed out enough and deep.
bryanee
Member
Thats the point, they want you take your eyes off the screen so that when looking through your bag you cant see anything coming at you. I love the idea.
That sounds awesome but if they really wanted that, they would not give you a third person camera so you can keep an eye out for zombies. It should be head down with only a few glances up in first person.
Zoramon089
Banned
And that'd be less annoying? Really?
bryanee
Member
True but you'll still only be able to see the TV when your not looking at your pad so it does replicate the feeling of having a quick glance at anything that might be near you.
If they are going for survival horror, it would be more inconvenient but would give a better sense of horror. To be honest, if they did do it in first person, it would negate the use of the pad, which makes the Wii-U version a bit pointless then.
Hrmm...I see your point.
walking fiend
Member
They need to only get 3 things right and I will be hooked:
- Control
- Level Design
- Master mode
I don't see myself playing single more than some rounds for each map to learn it; but if the master mode can provide good challenge, I think this may become quite popular.
- Control
- Level Design
- Master mode
I don't see myself playing single more than some rounds for each map to learn it; but if the master mode can provide good challenge, I think this may become quite popular.
The pad displays inventory management. It's not like you are asked to do something reflex\timing based so your attention is absorbed into that action. You can comfortably press 'take all' button while seeing on the hard-to-miss big screen that the area is clear. And yeah, if they wanted me to worry if i'm going to get ambushed every time i use the pad then having a 3rd person view of what's around me doesn't convey that.
PetriP-TNT
Member
I really like the concept. That said this looks pretty rough, like someone mentioned it reminds me of Red Steel. Maybe it's just fairly early in the developement but isn't this coming out in launch? Is it just me that everytime you need to look at the pad that "zomg zombie is behind you!!" thing comes up? It was in the gameplay and in the trailer... That can and will get old fast.
It's not as simple as that though. While you're playing with a survivor, they'll level up increasing their skills across the board. Once that survivor gets bit, you can retrieve the BOB with your new survivor, but the skills are gone forever.
That's a pretty big incentive to not get killed.
In addition: This is also where the scanner is coming into play. You're scanner tells you that in that room across the hall, full of zombies, is a chest with ammo in it. Ammo you're probably gonna need. Gonna risk going in the room to get the ammo or hope you come across some later?
Perma-death with actual penalties makes this game IMO. I also assume that most people will absolutely hate this mechanic.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Just saw the whole video. Looks nice. I hope they don't cheap out on enemies, ie enemies speeding up or appearing out of nowhere. I should be able to control my environment (close all the doors) and get some satisfaction and success from that. Level design should prevent me from doing that in certain areas. The end where the guy was picking the lock, I should be able to close the door to get more time. That helps with the paranoia and should heighten my emotions.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I believe there was some video interview with a rep saying that your dead/zombie character will also be sent to your friend's game (ones in current sessions) and if they stumble upon them first, they can kill them, take it's supplies, and you are shit out of luck.
Sounds too good to be true though.
It's pretty bad when you are the most cynical person in a thread containing Amir0x.
(I'm kidding; personal opinions aside, I have no problem with Amir0x's approach to this game and fully understand taking a wait and see approach).As for the use of the gamerpad being a completely unnecessary addition, I COMPLETELY disagree. Mapping the menu onto the actual TV screen goes against the whole point. You are suppose to divert you attention from the main action to balance your inventory because it creates tension/immersion. Not to mention the added benefit of touch screen inventory, scanning, puzzles, separate gyro controls for zoomed-in aiming, etc. Could this all be replicated on a regular gamerpad? Sure. Could Halo be played on an N64 controller? Sure. Would it be as good? Hell no.
As for the "one life" feature, it is a bit gimmicky (as we know it now; the online feature I talked about above could make a huge difference though), but it's not as useless as your describe it. The manhole seems to lead you to the beginning of whatever area you died in. Therefore you still have to trek through the nursery (for example) to get to the basement and get your supplies back. That's not a big deal if you cleaned out the place, but if you ran through (like shown in part 6) and died, you still have all the Zombies to deal with. Therefore, your previous play sessions actually effect your next one, unlike a regular continue session (also, you will be starting off with the bare-minimum ammo again so you might have to scavenger for resources before trying to attempt kill your previous character and get your supplies back).
Edit: And what pvpness said.
EmCeeGramr
Member
The third person view is so you're not completely vulnerable and can glance up to see if a zombie is coming.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Well I will be damned. Nintendo actually has made a current gen console, which will be at least on par with the other consoles on the market. Sure they are a few years late, and it won't last very long - but happened nevertheless.
If it makes you feel any better about it, your Alienware experiment is more next gen than next gen will be lol
Annoying Old Party Man
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This game looked like shit, and played amazing. It was the sole, most powerful justification of the new control scheme, while I was indifferent to most of them.
They have great ideas about this one, only worried about the level design and graphics.
They have great ideas about this one, only worried about the level design and graphics.
I think the manhole leading you to the same area you died in was just for demo purposes and the game is not quite as linear. You have objectives but aren't forced into doing them in a set order.
I kind of remember reading this during E3 but I can't find where. It would definitely make sense, though.
I kind of remember reading this during E3 but I can't find where. It would definitely make sense, though.
You have to negotiate puzzles, key codes and even manually select specific ammo types and drag them to the gun displayed on the touchscreen, and then manipulate the different parts to lock and load. It's not nearly as straightforward as weapon selection and reloading in other games. In other words, the touchscreen is very involving, which is the whole point -- you're caught between studying/interacting with the touchscreen and keeping an eye on the TV, where a zombie can appear out of the shadows at any moment. It's brilliant at building suspense and adding tension.
While not the best looking games, it still nice to see a few developers trying to make survival horror games. With Resident Evil off the rails and Silent Hill all over the place, someone has to keep giving horror fans something to do.
On a side note, the scanning reminded me of Condemned. That would suit the Wii-U perfectly.
Annoying Old Party Man
Member
Well it looked like Condemned as well.
The indoor stuff especially.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
When I saw the Nursery footage, the first thing that came to my mind was Condemned.
Losing the accumulated skills is fine but it wasn't about the incentive of not dying and more about the potential retreading and the feeling that basically you spawn at the entrance of where you got killed. Basically the idea of one life as different characters is more or less wasted when it's done in this relatively linear design.
Yeah, zoomed-in aiming in the pad while the tv screen displayed the regular fps view. So you can have the scoped shot while having a total view of what's around you. Everybody who plays shooter that have scoped weapons knows that the danger\tension is exactly because you're are scoped in and have no peripheral vision so you can get blindsided by enemies. It's contradictory to bill your game as survival horror and the wii u pad as increasing tension if you drop the whole thing that makes scoped shooting so by letting the player enjoy both 'worlds' with the TV screen displaying your un-scoped view.
I don't understand how the pad features make the game better. It seemed just an added hassle of changing where to look at. They could have made everything on the tv screen with 1\3 of the screen displaying what the pad does now and have the other 2\3 be the live gameplay.
But your attention isn't really diverted when all your asked to do with the pad is move your items around. You aren't pressed for action, you can take your time and still have a view of your surroundings. How is immersion helped by giving me an additional 3rd person view? If you're going with the angle of having live gameplay when the player brings up his map\inventory then wouldn't it be more tense not knowing what's going behind you?
Yeah, zoomed-in aiming in the pad while the tv screen displayed the regular fps view. So you can have the scoped shot while having a total view of what's around you. Everybody who plays shooter that have scoped weapons knows that the danger\tension is exactly because you're are scoped in and have no peripheral vision so you can get blindsided by enemies. It's contradictory to bill your game as survival horror and the wii u pad as increasing tension if you drop the whole thing that makes scoped shooting so by letting the player enjoy both 'worlds' with the TV screen displaying your un-scoped view.
I don't understand how the pad features make the game better. It seemed just an added hassle of changing where to look at. They could have made everything on the tv screen with 1\3 of the screen displaying what the pad does now and have the other 2\3 be the live gameplay.
Agent Ironside
Member
Actually I'm excited for this game, I'll probably wait for another good exclusive or two before picking up a Wii U though, I can't see buying the console for this game alone.
Phife Dawg
Member
No limit on the number of survivors.
Iirc all pointer FPS games I played let you choose whether or not you want the view to rotate when aiming off-screen or don't do it by default.
You level up weapon stats by using them with the active character. Once you die that progress is lost.
We don't know how open the final game will be or how many hubs there are or if there is only one. I assume there must be shortcuts you open up, otherwise you'll be slogging through the same localities all the time.
Maybe it's something like DR (only played 2) where you have a hub (with survivors giving out missions) and a world outside with shortcuts to different locales. The mission "get medicine for some dude" seems to hint at that.
You make it sound like Nintendo was always behind the curve (which is not true of course).
I think it looks great and have been thoroughly surprised after that awful target video at the Nintendo conference. Tech-wise the graphics might not look that strong, but I think they have the atmosphere down pat, and as someone recently said, it looks like more of a true survival horror than either RE6 or Dead space 3. If this, Mario, P-100, Pikmin 3, and Rayman Legends can all come out in 2012 I think the Wii U can have a very good launch lineup compared to other launch lineups.
I agree with Amir0x that almost all launch lineups tend to be shitty with maybe three or four serviceable games and sometimes one really good game. The only exception I can think of is the Dreamcast, and that was probably because Sega delayed all non-Japan launches a whole year, ensuring that the western "launch" lineup was really the second wave of games. I'm not saying that's what the Wii U is going to be, but it's looking better than most launches I've seen.
I agree with Amir0x that almost all launch lineups tend to be shitty with maybe three or four serviceable games and sometimes one really good game. The only exception I can think of is the Dreamcast, and that was probably because Sega delayed all non-Japan launches a whole year, ensuring that the western "launch" lineup was really the second wave of games. I'm not saying that's what the Wii U is going to be, but it's looking better than most launches I've seen.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Quite on the contrary. Based on the video, they will be ahead the curve, or at least on it for a year.
They should offer with pointer controls while resting the tablet in your lap. It's not hard or uncomfortable to hold the Wii remote and extend your finger to press some things (I just tried). I don't know if I would use this control scheme or not because of the extra hardware involved, but hopefully Ubi includes it, as I too prefer pointer controls. Still, it's a showcase for the tablet as well, so I could see execs not wanting to go this route since it would cut a few of the tablet's features. Would be nice to have the option, though.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
We don't know the full details yet (online implications/manhole could be demo-only), but it's still one of the best continue systems I can think of. They only game in recent memory that compares (imo) is Prey.
You only have a view of what is behind you when you are picking locks/doing puzzles. When you are actually checking you inventory/looting/changing weapons, the TV shows a close-up overhead view that does not give you any view of your surroundings.
I don't see what's so bad about this. In fact, I would say it's better. Your scope is your WiiU Gamerpad, while the TV is the normal view. Just like real life, you have to look around/away from your gamerpad (scope) to see the normal view.
Well it's not a revolution if that's what you are expecting. But you could do Angry Birds or Boom Blox on a regular gamerpad. But that wouldn't be as intuitive/fun of an experience. Same thing here. It's just an added bonus that the setup also adds to the immersion/tension of the game.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Yes.
Umm, is the reloading part true? I can't find anything about it besides a comment from a Gaffer in the other ZombiU thread where he whised it was like that :
Zombies are undead but that doesn't mean they have unlimited energy. They have to conserve resources.
The zombie got in the cupboard while following another human who fooled him into the cupboard. Once there the zombie went dormant and waited until another human came around and made enough noise to wake up itself.
Zombies cannot realistically tumble around asking for brains all day.
a) Well, I met a few zombies in my day, and they done never sounded like DAT!
b-d) Maybe an employee who was infected hid in the cupboard before they changed. Everyone died when they turned, so it was silent, and if we're following some universal rule that zombies only respond to sound, maybe they lunged out of the cupboard when the player approached and his walkie-talkie made noise.