Dorfdad
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Helldivers 2 Account Linking Reversal
- Thread starter Boss Man
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It was also removed from steam after but surely that's even more backlash worthy for those who got it on steam in the steam reviews, right? I'm trying to understand where you're going with this. When it retroactively added mandatory accounts it was on steam and people still played their steam copies, on top of that it was blocked from further sales on steam. What's the relevance though? That seems worse to me than just a, kind of but not really, retroactive account requirement. just saying I don't buy the idea that the outrage is because they added it later. Rocket League suffered nothing like that.
tmlDan
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Again, that's why i said the second portion of my comment. Stellar Blade is not the game you should be putting on a pedestal for this argument, there are far better examples of actual censorship
TerribleAtThisGame
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Load up...Tayne.PC gamers
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
That’s disturbing to hear
wvnative
Member
Pissed off with this whole debacle. We bitch and whine and moan about some pretty heinous anti-consumer practices in this industry, but we don't DO anything. We never seriously push back. Where was this level of outrage for prior publisher account requirements? Where was this level of outrage and push back when Sony raised PSN sub prices ACROSS THE BOARD and then made the service WORSE?
We have so much more power than we realize, why aren't we exercising it more?
We have so much more power than we realize, why aren't we exercising it more?
Gordon Fearman
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Most of those experts I'd never seen post before and apparently temporarily woke up from a 10 year coma just long enough to call PC players losers before disappearing.
MLSabre
Member
Because people don't care enough to fight for it. Why do you think we're in this predicament in the first place? Microtransaction hell, paying for online service, titles taken down at anytime at the publishers' whims, Day 1 patches, DLCs locked as preorder exclusives, etc.
You give someone an inch, they'll take it for a mile.
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mansoor1980
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sony are legit good hearted people , they care about gamers
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Bumblebeetuna
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The apologists are doubling down even though Sony bent the knee 
Sleepwalker
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Good move. Hopefully the game can recover now.
The Stig
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I'm a bit of a Sony fanboy myself but I wouldn't go that far lol
lifa-cobex
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Quite honestly, gaming is fucked and will only get more corpo over the years to come.
Yea this was a win but it's only because of the downvote feature on Steam.
It was a collective vocal point to show dissatisfaction. The same level of outrage would still be present but spread out to be unseen without that feature. It might well have slipped through if without it.
I think it only made the bar because Steam allowed other country's to purchase it. Having HD2 removed after purchase was the golden bullet to Sony.
As much fun as it is watching the Snoy lads cry about this. It's one victory in an ever going war.
Consoles only players just don't have anyway to voice the displeasure about something. Aside from just not purchasing it (which most gamers haven't the discipline to do).
Next console gen, Sony could well turn around and say "no more re-selling or lending games to friends." Just like MS tried.
The people crying about this just don't see the bigger picture.
Back when the price increased for PSN during the PS3 slim days. I quit their and then. I haven't had PS+ since. It's a rip off and the service is crap.
But moving over to a PC is a huge money sink innately. Especially these days with GPU prices.
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FoxMcChief
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AltogetherAndrews
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PC gamers fighting for their freedom from corporate shackles and using a DRM platform to do it. It’s a bit ironic.
A.Romero
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Good thing they turned their decision.
I don't know why people is saying stuff like this is common in the PC space. I can only think of situations where they move forward: Rockstar launcher, Epic Launcher (for stuff like Fallguys), Square-Enix... Can't think of any situation where someone announced a launcher to be required and then going back on it.
I don't know why people is saying stuff like this is common in the PC space. I can only think of situations where they move forward: Rockstar launcher, Epic Launcher (for stuff like Fallguys), Square-Enix... Can't think of any situation where someone announced a launcher to be required and then going back on it.
P:axMagellanic
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It says while his games executable goes through a 1001 different malware DRMs and kernel level anti cheat.
The Stig
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Damn so true.
PC gamers are stretched out far enough from all the other gaming companies they was no more room to let Sony in.
feynoob
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Because we literally have more social presence right now.
That is how the outrage spreads fast.
proandrad
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PC master race should rebrand as the free folk. Lorde Gabe Newell be the king. And never bend de knee.
Than 2019-2020 covid time? No, we were on social media far more during that time.
Buggy Loop
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You think modern consoles aren't oozing with DRM?
Even physical won't save you 100%. Assuming that the game was even remotely complete on that disc and not just a digital token, the platform holders can revoke your access to a game even if you have a physical copy and log online and that’s it. You’re left to hack away a console to get it back, or never go online ever. I can't think of a case that it happened but they 100% can. Blurays have encryption based DRM built both in the disc and player. New players can stop supporting decryption keys and lock out a disc and new discs can have bad playback on old players
Nintendo actually tracks game IDs and if they see multiples of that ID (pirated) they outright ban physical game carts if not outright brick your console.
And such, you have sites like this for
You download a patch, use cloud, or trophies? DRM.
And steam is not forcing DRM on anyone. Its up to individual devs
With most of them losing steamworks at the worse with a small command and they become DRM free, at the cost of losing cloud saves, achievements and steam overlay during gaming.
What options for digital content do you even have that compares to this?
Next gen or the one after when all console providers go 100% digital (don't kid yourself, it's coming), do you think you'll have the same flexibility?
With ideas like these that are either pending or just on hold because of Microsoft's backlash
Sony patents tech to tie discs to user IDs
A new patent application by Sony, if developed into a real-world product, will make it impossible for game discs to be sold, shared, or traded, by tying each disc to a console or user account. The patented technology works by embedding an RFID tag in the disc, which a reader in the console can...
www.engadget.com
That's a thin fucking steel wire to walk on and point fingers. Could easily be applied next gen.
feynoob
Member
We are in post cyberpunk era now. Gamers are now unhappy with alot of stuff.
The login fiasco hit a new community that we're happy about their game and it pissed them off.
Wrong place, wrong time for that.
Zathalus
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Great to hear! So I assume they have implemented a proper refund system and allow you to easily change your PSN region right?
mansoor1980
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dotnotbot
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You think modern consoles aren't oozing with DRM?
Even physical won't save you 100%. Assuming that the game was even remotely complete on that disc and not just a digital token, the platform holders can revoke your access to a game even if you have a physical copy and log online and that’s it. You’re left to hack away a console to get it back, or never go online ever. I can't think of a case that it happened but they 100% can. Blurays have encryption based DRM built both in the disc and player. New players can stop supporting decryption keys and lock out a disc and new discs can have bad playback on old players
Nintendo actually tracks game IDs and if they see multiples of that ID (pirated) they outright ban physical game carts if not outright brick your console.
And such, you have sites like this for
You download a patch, use cloud, or trophies? DRM.
And steam is not forcing DRM on anyone. Its up to individual devs
With most of them losing steamworks at the worse with a small command and they become DRM free, at the cost of losing cloud saves, achievements and steam overlay during gaming.
What options for digital content do you even have that compares to this?
Next gen or the one after when all console providers go 100% digital (don't kid yourself, it's coming), do you think you'll have the same flexibility?
With ideas like these that are either pending or just on hold because of Microsoft's backlash
Sony patents tech to tie discs to user IDs
A new patent application by Sony, if developed into a real-world product, will make it impossible for game discs to be sold, shared, or traded, by tying each disc to a console or user account. The patented technology works by embedding an RFID tag in the disc, which a reader in the console can...
That's a thin fucking steel wire to walk on and point fingers. Could easily be applied next gen.
TL;DR it's not as bad as PC DRM but hipotetically, teoretically it could be or will be, so therefore PC DRM = console DRM lol, amazing reasoning
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Buggy Loop
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They're both DRM. A disc check is DRM by definition since the dawn of ages, because the DRM definition is vague as fuck. But nowadays they are encrypted and can be revoked. If that's not DRM for you, then nothing is.
But do tell me where to play Helldivers 2 DRM free?
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thismeinteil
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Well, the PC guys won this battle against account linking. Now, to move onto other games and do the same thing and kill the whole practice. And I expect the next battle....never.
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AltogetherAndrews
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edit: never mind, y’all are dense as shit bricks.
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Buggy Loop
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Reading is hard uh?
Peoples are regurgitating DRM without knowing fuck all about the topic. And holier than thou attitude on a platform oozing with DRM.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
People seeing what they want to see...
Hasn't it occurred to them that if the game wasn't already a success they'd have no leverage? And that being the case it means the provider has the goods they want, so they get to set the terms.
Not saying getting Sony to back off in this instance isn't win for them, but to suggest that it means something bigger... I really don't think so.
Please note: writing this after running across so many hyperbole-laden YT pieces about how amazing this victory was, and how Sony backed down because otherwise they'd be "finished"! Crazy, crazy stuff.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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You got a link to the images they censored? I can't find em
Topher
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GHG
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nosoynadie22
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Leonidas
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Good to see Sony capitulate to PC Gamers so quickly.
PC wins yet again
The damage is already done though, PC gamers don't forget when companies do stuff like this.
Helldivers 2 went from one of the best rated games on Steam to one of the worst, I doubt most people will go back wasting time editing their negative reviews.
PC wins yet again
The damage is already done though, PC gamers don't forget when companies do stuff like this.
Helldivers 2 went from one of the best rated games on Steam to one of the worst, I doubt most people will go back wasting time editing their negative reviews.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Good to see Sony capitulate to PC Gamers so quickly.
PC wins yet again
The damage is already done though, PC gamers don't forget when companies do stuff like this.
Helldivers 2 went from one of the best rated games on Steam to one of the worst, I doubt most people will go back wasting time editing their negative reviews.
It's back above Starfield again which is what matters
Topher
Gold Member
Good to see Sony capitulate to PC Gamers so quickly.
PC wins yet again
The damage is already done though, PC gamers don't forget when companies do stuff like this.
Helldivers 2 went from one of the best rated games on Steam to one of the worst, I doubt most people will go back wasting time editing their negative reviews.
Nah....recent reviews have already gone from "overwhelmingly negative" to "mixed".
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Why would you expect the game not to work without link a PSN account? WTF has that got to do with anything.
The account linking was always about data tracking and Sony/arrowhead being able to ban players. Nobody every claimed the game didn't work without it.
That's absurd reasoning.
People have the right to complain about whatever they like, and I have the right to call them whiny bitches for complaining about the most benign shit. And soooo....? What is your point?