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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length

In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:

Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.

So, here it is

Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50

Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26

Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%

Out of the entire run, what's the longest stretch of gameplay from one cutscene to the next?
 

fantomena

Member
This arrived a few hours ago. Tasty.

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Alienous

Member
From the impressions thread:

First french news paper "official" review from JeuxVideo magazine.

Translation :

Gameplay :
Very simple but efficient action scenes, a large amount of QTE and some poor sneaking levels.

Graphics :
Top notch textures, mind blowing effects and no transition between game and cinematics. Awesome.

Sound :
Really good ambiant score, good dialogs, and good feedback from the weapons.

Duration :
Almost 7 hours, without running, which is a bit short (knowing that cinematics is half the duration..).

Global :
A lovely object, between a movie and a game. Some can considers it half-win or half-fail, it is the way you love Videogames that will be decisive.

Perhaps the first 'official' review comment on the length. They got <7 hours, and gave it the equivalent of a 7.5/10
 
In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:

Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.

So, here it is

Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50

Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26

Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%

I've never seen such a meticulous analysis of a video game playthrough before. Thank you old chap. This game really brings out the best in people.

So basically it's 3 hours of gameplay for $60.

Pass.

EDIT: Also had to edit this in: If this is true, it will cause a tumultous shitstorm.

I think we should start counting the hours and minutes of actual playtime in all future games. Will help to find out how much worth a game really is.
 

Amentallica

Unconfirmed Member
Regardless, I fully intend on purchasing this game on the 20th in support of games of similar fashion. It's a shame that this franchise and studio may not get an opportunity to greenlight a sequel, despite what looks to be a tremendous effort on their behalf going into the first game.
 

PBY

Banned
Regardless, I fully intend on purchasing this game on the 20th in support of games of similar fashion. It's a shame that this franchise and studio may not get an opportunity to greenlight a sequel, despite what looks to be a tremendous effort on their behalf going into the first game.

You're supporting what kind of games?
 

tuna_love

Banned
Regardless, I fully intend on purchasing this game on the 20th in support of games of similar fashion. It's a shame that this franchise and studio may not get an opportunity to greenlight a sequel, despite what looks to be a tremendous effort on their behalf going into the first game.
Salute
 
Regardless, I fully intend on purchasing this game on the 20th in support of games of similar fashion. It's a shame that this franchise and studio may not get an opportunity to greenlight a sequel, despite what looks to be a tremendous effort on their behalf going into the first game.

Me too and many others aswell.
 

KingFire

Banned
Regardless, I fully intend on purchasing this game on the 20th in support of games of similar fashion. It's a shame that this franchise and studio may not get an opportunity to greenlight a sequel, despite what looks to be a tremendous effort on their behalf going into the first game.

Too Human was a tremendous effort as well...

If this is how you choose your purchases regardless of quality then I got a huge list of developers that need what is in your wallet.
 

RSTEIN

Comics, serious business!
Regardless, I fully intend on purchasing this game on the 20th in support of games of similar fashion. It's a shame that this franchise and studio may not get an opportunity to greenlight a sequel, despite what looks to be a tremendous effort on their behalf going into the first game.
What exactly are you supporting? $60 games that are short and QTE heavy?
 
I will purchase this game, however i do feel a little short for full retail price with no replay ability, they could have put a gears of war 5 vs 5 of some kind in there.

I will buy , but i shall be waiting as i don't feel this title is worth more than a Max of £30
 

Amentallica

Unconfirmed Member
Too Human was a tremendous effort as well...

If this is how you choose your purchases regardless of quality then I got a huge list of developers that need what is in your wallet.

As it would be hypocritical for me to say that the game exudes quality when I haven't played it, since I lambasted that in an earlier post, I think I can recognize what has been assuredly tremendous effort put into this game, even if it doesn't meet all of my expectations. I will not bring down an entire game based on a few gripes, especially since these are the types of games I appreciate considerably more in the face of the plethora of open world and multiplayer games.
 

amar212

Member
... how you choose your purchases regardless of quality..t.

Since when was the quality of The Order an issue?

You may have subjective opinion what constitutes "quality", but actual length of the game - that heavily depends of the subjective way every player will play the game - shouldn't be attributed to such as primary value, don't you think so?
 

PBY

Banned
As it would be hypocritical for me to say that the game exudes quality when I haven't played it, since I lambasted that in an earlier post, I think I can recognize what has been assuredly tremendous effort put into this game, even if it doesn't meet all of my expectations. I will not bring down an entire game based on a few gripes, especially since these are the types of games I appreciate considerably more in the face of the plethora of open world and multiplayer games.

I think is that his point is that most games take tremendous effort to make. Feel free to support the type of game you like though.
 

Welfare

Member
In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:

Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.

So, here it is

Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50

Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26

Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%

Lol 3 hours of actual gameplay for $60.

What the fuck
 
I knew it was going to get 6's and 7's about 8 months ago, seriously.

I obviously don't know the quality of the game myself yet so I'll reserve judgement, But this is the type of game the terrible mainstream gaming press loves to hammer.

Ticks all the boxes:

More cinematic leaning
Single player
Sony exclusive
New i.p

Wow. Do people seriously think this?
 

PBY

Banned
This is quite disingenuous. And please, for the lack of a better way to put it, stop reducing the game to just something that is short and only QTEs.

To be honest- from what I've seen it doesn't do anything particularly well except the graphics. I'm a sucker so I'll prob spend more money on this than I should, but for me to feel good about this at 60 the story needs to be fucking amazing.
 

Amentallica

Unconfirmed Member
To be honest- from what I've seen it doesn't do anything particularly well except the graphics. I'm a sucker so I'll prob spend more money on this than I should, but for me to feel good about this at 60 the story needs to be fucking amazing.

I think people forget that games can be simply fun to play. RE4 is my go-to example, as it has a shit story but I enjoy playing it over and over. Granted there are unlockables in multiple runs, but I often play the game just as if it was the first time without any extra weapons. Will this game meet that type of expectation? Probably not. But I am totally capable of replaying games that don't have the best story. From what I've seen I think I will enjoy it here.
 
In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:

Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.

So, here it is

Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52

....

Wow, hardcore data compiling. How long did it actually take you to make that? lol

That last chapter though >_>
 

Slaythe

Member
REmake was just re-released and can be completed in as little as four hours without much effort and just some memorization, and people love it. This game? Fuck it if it isn't outrageously long. You won't know if there is replay value until you play the game for yourself. Are we sure there isn't a new game plus or extra weapons or collectibles in the game?

It must be incredibly frustrating for developers nowadays to even consider making a game in the same vein as The Order, considering how the media and "hobbyists" get if it doesn't meet a check list of quality. Do people even understand the difference between experiencing a game for themselves and watching someone else experience it on YouTube? The medium is meant to be played, not watched. So how the fuck can you make qualms about the game not being worth it if you haven't even fucking played it?

My mind is full of fucking fuck.

No no no. And no.

REmake asks upfront if you want a longer game or a shorter and easier one. Nobody can finish their first playthrough in 4 hours if you picked the longer route. It s just not possible because you need to explore it all and figure out not only the puzzles, but enemies and bosses, as well as not losing yourself and managing your ressources blindly. You cant compare speedruns of REmake to that casual playthrough of the order that had 3 hours of gameplay and 2 hours of cutscenes.

Then RE also has a lot of modes as well as two different characters. AND MULTIPLE ENDINGS.

But the best part is, IT IS 20 BUCKS.

Come on. You seriously compared the two. If at least order had story interactivity like heavy rain and beyond, it would get a pass.

But 60 to 70 euros for that ? Nope. 20 to 30 ? Sure.

It s not a game with story branches, and the gameplay is far from a DmC DE that you would replay for challenge and execution.
 
In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:

Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.

So, here it is

Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50

Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26

Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%
Holy shit. This game will get slammed in reviews.
 

Amentallica

Unconfirmed Member
No no no. And no.

REmake asks upfront if you want a longer game or a shorter and easier one. Nobody can finish their first playthrough in 4 hours if you picked the longer route. It s just not possible because you need to explore it all and figure out not only the puzzles, but enemies and bosses, as well as not losing yourself and managing your ressources blindly. You cant compare speedruns of REmake to that casual playthrough of the order that had 3 hours of gameplay and 2 hours of cutscenes.

Then RE also has a lot of modes as well as two different characters. AND MULTIPLE ENDINGS.

But the best part is, IT IS 20 BUCKS.

Come on. You seriously compared the two. If at least order had story interactivity like heavy rain and beyond, it would get a pass.

But 60 to 70 euros for that ? Nope. 20 to 30 ? Sure.

It s not a game with story branches, and the gameplay is far from a DmC DE that you would replay for challenge and execution.

REmake was once brand new and cost almost as much. Also, the game can be completed in the same amount of time that this game has been shown to be able to be completed on a first run. I would still pay $60 for REmake
 

gaming_noob

Member
In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:

Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.

So, here it is

Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50

Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26

Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%

I wouldn't mind the long cutscenes if they were skippable. Can you please confirm if they're skippable? I previously read you can't.
 

-MD-

Member
I don't get why the metal gear solid games are always an example for short games. It took me at least 15 hours on my initial playthrough of each of them.

People like to throw around "well REmake is a 2 hour game" a lot too when in reality it's an 8-12 hour game for a new player.
 

FTF

Member
Hmm, I'm still psyched and getting this on Friday, but really hope my first play through is closer to 7-8 hours, not 5-6 :/
 
I don't get why the metal gear solid games are always an example for short games. It took me at least 15 hours on my initial playthrough of each of them.

I think we just suck at games, to be honest. Everyone else seems to be able to blaze through full titles in half a dozen hours, while even Episode 1 of Life is Strange took me 5 hours alone.
 

marcincz

Member
I don't get why the metal gear solid games are always an example for short games. It took me at least 15 hours on my initial playthrough of each of them.

Maybe, because it has many long cut-scenes during a game.
15 hours? I think I played even more hours.
 
Uggghhh this length discussion is driving me crazy, its just gross at this point. IF THE GAME ISN'T LONG ENOUGH FOR YOU TO JUSTIFY SPENDING 60 DOLLARS ON IT THEN WAIT FOR THE PRICE TO GO DOWN. PROBLEM FUCKING SOLVED.

Everyone who played the game so far here has enjoyed it, recommends it, and said they would buy a sequel. No one cares though. We can't discuss the game, we can only calculate gameplay time.
 

Bluenoser

Member
Holy shit. This game will get slammed in reviews.

There is so much fucking negativity going into this release that how can any reviewer possibly go in with an open mind and review objectively.

Yes it will get burned at the stake... the media has seen to it for months.

The industry is at it's healthiest ever in terms of console sales, and yet it's hit an all time low in other ways. The hate this game is getting makes me sad.
 

PBY

Banned
There is so much fucking negativity going into this release that how can any reviewer possibly go in with an open mind and review objectively.

Yes it will get burned at the stake... the media has seen to it for months.

The industry is at it's healthiest ever in terms of console sales, and yet it's hit an all time low in other ways. The hate this game is getting makes me sad.
People will review the game based on what the game is. There is no conspiracy or tragedy here.
 
Uggghhh this length discussion is driving me crazy, its just gross at this point. IF THE GAME ISN'T LONG ENOUGH FOR YOU TO JUSTIFY SPENDING 60 DOLLARS ON IT THEN WAIT FOR THE PRICE TO GO DOWN. PROBLEM FUCKING SOLVED.

Resident Evil: Completed in less than 2 1/2 hours.
= lol Less than 2 hours of gameplay. Worst game ever!

Can't understand how I once paid over $120 for that piece of shit.
 
People like to throw around "well REmake is a 2 hour game" a lot too when in reality it's an 8-12 hour game for a new player.

That just shows the replay value and challenge of The Order, though. RE you can whittle down to under 2 hours - never going to be able to do that with The Order!*

*Due to over two hours of unskippable cutscenes.

I joke. I think it'll be almost like Ryse on Xbox One. Can be completed fairly quickly, but will take most people 10 hours at least. Some speculation there.
 
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