Obliterator
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This is important I agree and worth noting. Even if unit sales are down the property is still huge and is going nowhere. Its still a success regardless.
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Halo 5: Guardians Smashes Record with Biggest Halo Launch (games/hardware) in History
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This is important I agree and worth noting. Even if unit sales are down the property is still huge and is going nowhere. Its still a success regardless.
Halo 3 was "finish the fight".
I don't think we can say that for sure. Who knows if when they put out the PR for Halo 4 launch they were interested in merging software + hardware.
As I posted a few pages before its all approximate best guesses really..
Here's my estimated math IMO... Either way its good for NPD and other things..
175mil / $500(avg # factoring in consoles + controllers) = 350k of a blend of consoles/ controllers
225mil/ $75(avg # factoring in standard, LE and CE editions and discounts offered over the last few weeks.) = 3 million copies sold approx.
If the above is true (speculation), then id say that's pretty damn good IMO.
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Nothing is ever going to surpass Halo2's attach rate. Wasn't it like 33%?
Obliterator
Member
Halo 5 also had a $250 edition which Halo 4 did not. The most expensive version of Halo 4 was $99. Halo 5 had a $250, $100, and $60 version at launch.
I mean, as brand marketing, like product placement maybe, in any case, we can agree to disagree, is a possibility that they are including the sales for A40, I just don't think they are.
in Any case even including the A40 themed, Im going to by my post where I said this is good given what happened last year with Halo MCC, this gives momentum to a franchise that took a big hit with MCC and this hopefully means that the franchise will start getting the trust of fans. that's how i see all this.
i just dont think that they include sales of something like the A40s, like it seem they just including MS products, thats my opinion.
Primethius
Banned
Halo 3 had a 50% attach rate in the US which was also pretty insane.
Chobel
Member
Doesn't look MS included hardware in Halo 4 launch PR http://majornelson.com/2012/11/12/h...illion-in-global-sales-in-the-first-24-hours/
wow so much attach
I imagine the profit margin on that $250 version was insane. They would be quite happy for that sku to skew the numbers.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Why do ppl continue to come in threads about sales and complain about ppl discussing sales?
Now if you dont play the game or have no interest in it, you shouldn't have anything to say about the sales or reviews of games?
Some ppl are delusional.
Now if you dont play the game or have no interest in it, you shouldn't have anything to say about the sales or reviews of games?
Some ppl are delusional.
I guess that's right because we're talking launch numbers. But H3 ended up having like 20% lifetime compared to H2 33% lifetime... But H2 came at the end of the consoles life so...
Yeah, anyway, it would be foolish to expect H5 to have that type of attachment...
Obliterator
Member
No doubt. And the same with the $500 xbox bundle. Combine that with req packs and I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the most profitable Halo launches ever.
maquiladora
Member
Wait, they are counting "games and hardware"?
Probably because 1) unit sales were in line with the rest of franchise and 2) H4 didn't help push much hardware...
Companies only share the numbers that look good... Why is this surprising?
HighResTomato
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Monster Zero
Junior Member
Cause revenue is all that matters
Bits N Pieces
Member
Been in a few meetings all afternoon so I've missed all of this, going to enjoy starting from page one when I get home from work tonight.
Wonder how crazy these pages get
Wonder how crazy these pages get
ebullientprism
Member
Halo 5 + Hardware > Halo 4 software.
wapplew
Member
Title said smashes record and it only fair if the previous record was software + hardware right?
I assume MS know how much software + hardware Halo 4 did and Halo 5 beat it and get the biggest launch conclusion?
I would go a step further and say that profit is all that matters.
No, revenue is quite important.
Obliterator
Member
Lol yeah sure All Xbox hardware.
I mean I doubt it includes all hardware too but this is the same company that last NPD used punctuation to make it look like the Xbone was up when it wasnt.
They are the grand masters of PR. Like their people better be getting paid bank.
"games and hardware" is suspect.
Anyways, Halo 4 also had the biggest Halo launch previously.
While 343 nailed the gameplay, I hope the game makes a profit but falls short of their expectations, I want lack of local multiplayer modes to have some sort of effect.
It still boggles my mind that a Halo game of all things has no form of local multiplayer/splitscreen whatsoever.
Anyways, Halo 4 also had the biggest Halo launch previously.
While 343 nailed the gameplay, I hope the game makes a profit but falls short of their expectations, I want lack of local multiplayer modes to have some sort of effect.
It still boggles my mind that a Halo game of all things has no form of local multiplayer/splitscreen whatsoever.
This has been the game played by both console makers. Most 3rd party games have LE consoles for PS4.
By they I hope you mean MS and Sony.
More inclined to say profit. Revenue is just that, revenue.
Gotta love this PR spin. It's gonna be quite a few days until NPD comes out so that we know for sure where they got those numbers.
MS PR wins.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Lol their marketing is certainly a new low in the videogame industry.
Using MS's methods of spin and obfuscation, any company could make any poorly-selling product seem successful. You gotta analyse every word and you still wouldn't understand what they are really trying to say. The only thing we can be sure of is H5 sales numbers weren't good enough to announce to the press.
ethomaz
Banned
So how many $70 controller they sold? Or how many they microtransaction did?
The numbers of Halo 5 sales only goes down no matter how you look.
Fixed.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
That's a big number. You'd think it would hard to downplay making nearly half a billion in a week, but somehow we manage.
My roommate is buying this sometime in the next few weeks, can't wait to try. Has to be better than 4.
My roommate is buying this sometime in the next few weeks, can't wait to try. Has to be better than 4.
Bigmac1910
Member
Hmm, been following Halo 5 on twitch since the pre-release and it is hovering around 3K to 11K views, mostly outside the top 10. Not sure what it says about the game, whether it's the viewers or the twitch streamers that just don't like it as much as the hype want's you to believe.
Way better
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
At $70 a pop, sure.
Pathfinder
Member
You can downplay anything if you try hard enough.
Yeah, I looked at Twitch on Saturday night and Halo 5 wasn't anywhere near the top. Maybe people just watched streams of the campaign and gave up after.
if they managed to sell so much copies for the expensive version, then this would be truly amazing.
Obliterator
Member
Discussing sales / = downplaying. God that argument gets old.
Should be at least 50k or so, so a nice little chunk of profit for them.
Should be at least 50k or so, so a nice little chunk of profit for them.
TBiddy
Member
So by that logic, neither was the sales numbers of GTA 5, considering they weren't released at launch... right?
Monster Zero
Junior Member
FPS's don't draw the big twitch numbers brother. Not much interactivity
Mushroomer25
Member
Twitch seems like it's constantly dominated by the same collection of eSports titles, though. Do major AAA releases typically stake out a spot in that top ten list?
ethomaz
Banned
There is one stat we can compare with Halo 3 / Halo 4.
Halo 3 "Within the first day of its launch, “Halo 3” players worldwide racked up more than 3.6 million hours of online gameplay, which increased more than elevenfold to 40 million hours by the end of the first week,"
40 million hours in first week for Halo 3
Halo 4 "with over 4 million players in the first five days. Users spent a total of 31.4 million hours playing “Halo 4,”
31.4 million hours in first week for Halo 4
Halo 5 "Fans have logged more than 21 million hours of total gameplay, including 12 million hours in campaign mode alone."
21 million hours in the first week for Halo 5
You can see how the activity dropped from the releases... almost half of Halo 3 and Halo 3 activity was sp focused.
Halo 3 "Within the first day of its launch, “Halo 3” players worldwide racked up more than 3.6 million hours of online gameplay, which increased more than elevenfold to 40 million hours by the end of the first week,"
40 million hours in first week for Halo 3
Halo 4 "with over 4 million players in the first five days. Users spent a total of 31.4 million hours playing “Halo 4,”
31.4 million hours in first week for Halo 4
Halo 5 "Fans have logged more than 21 million hours of total gameplay, including 12 million hours in campaign mode alone."
21 million hours in the first week for Halo 5
You can see how the activity dropped from the releases... almost half of Halo 3 and Halo 3 activity was sp focused.
Is that why CS:GO has 70K viewers at the moment compared to 4K for Halo 5?
Even Destiny as 12K viewers.
??? Have you seen Counter Strikes numbers brother? It's like the game at the top of the list
Warm Machine
Member
Even though console sales are in there it means that the console bundle has done pretty well. Any way you slice that number the software and hardware has done crazy good.
Except revenue is quite important, too. Having 400 million revenue is better than 10 million revenue even if profits are constant.
Obliterator
Member
That.......is a good catch actually
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
CSGO... and for the perfect comparison Overwatch
Anyway the one Halo streamer I follow only streams on youtube getting decent view there.
Monster Zero
Junior Member
This isn't even discussing sales, this is worst than NPD predictions at this point, all we know is they made almost half a billion off the Halo brand, We shouldn't even be able to argue individual sale units when we have NO idea where to start. There is no basis that Halo 5 sold more or less than others in the series except for strawman arguments like
Like, who can argue against this?