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tokkun said:
That was just a prototype and the Move looks much more like the Wiimote and Nunchuck than the wand in that video. Moreover Sony probably would have never jumped on the motion controls bandwagon when they were calling it a gimmick and fad which all changed when the Wii kept on selling.
DidntKnowJack
Member
But...that's what Move is.Willy105 said:
Look, I don't give a shit either way. I don't care much for motion controls. But that video clearly shows Sony was R&Ding the current technology implemented in Move before the Nintendo Wii was even revealed. Though I will concede some of the Move software looks like a Wii Sports Resort ripoff. And the sub controller is a nunchuck too.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Vizion28 said:
So Sony had a guy working on motion control for a decade of his life just for fun?
Somnid said:
Actually, you should give a shit about them, because they generated, improved, and perfected a lot of the technology that is available in the Wii. Without those arcade systems, the technology may have not received the attention it needed, and may not have become as affordable for Nintendo.
Also, it doesn't matter what the prototype was, it clearly shows that they were looking into motion control, and that the form factor was to be something straight with a colored ball on top.
I could just as well argue that the design of the Wii-mote is lifted from a number of television remotes, or other motion control devices that I'm sure were available / demoed at CES and other events. Fact is, children get caught up in this "who copied who" business, when the reality is all of these competitors were probably looking into doing the exact same thing at some point in time, Nintendo was simply the one to take the plunge because, face it, they really weren't doing so hot with the Gamecube. Sometimes, you risk big, you win big.
tokkun said:
Are people really still applying a "Nintendo invented the Wii on release day, but others had videos of shit around that time and therefore were working on shit for years!" filter?
It takes years to bring a product to market. I guarantee you Nintendo was working on the Wii well before 2004. I guarantee you Sony started playing around with similar stuff because they heard what Nintendo was working on.
The Nintendo hate is strong in this thread. Waggle won, and it's coming to your shit too, like it or not. Get over it.
John Rabbit
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i'm not sure what your point is here. miyamoto is a representative of nintendo; what he says will invariably be attributed to the company.ShockingAlberto said:
just because he didn't proclaim this at a press conference to make it, what, i guess "official"? are answers to interview questions impervious to scrutiny because they aren't wrapped in a nice prepared statement?
civilstrife said:
Well, if you want to believe Richard Marks, Sony delayed their motion controller due to the cost of using high quality gyroscopes, whereas Nintendo decided to release a controller with low-fidelity motion sensing, then release a new product once the gyros were cost-effective.
Obviously it appears that Nintendo had superior business acumen in their approach, but it still seems pretty smug and disingenuous for someone from Nintendo to then come back and say that they are honored that Sony is doing it because they were so impressed by Nintendo.
civilstrife
Member
Sony's motion controller, held in one hand with an optional sub controller released alongside a suite of casual-oriented software is not at all a response to Nintendo.
Mudkips said:
Speevy said:
I think you mean the CD addon for the SNES.
And yeah, Nintendo said fuck off to Sony because the agreement was shit, the cost of the drives was ridiculous, they didn't like load times, etc.
Sony then ran with the SNES designs and began work on their own CD-based, updated clone.
The PS controller was a blatant copy of the the SNES controller.
This is not news. The N64 controller has analog and rumble? Queue the Dual Shock!
It's like people are blocking bits they don't like.
Haunted said:
Given the amount of money 1st and 3rd parties have invested into accessories and add-ons, I think it's extremely likely that we would see something similar either this generation or next. Perhaps not as a primary focus, but most certainly as an accessory or something similar.
It's not like Eyetoy, powerglove, SuperScope, Sega Activator, etc. never existed. Clearly all of these competitors were looking into similar things, new ways to play games, etc, and open it up to casual gamers and the like.
Don't kid yourself.
ShinNL
Member
Yeah, I'm shocked at all the posters in this thread thinking they're actually proving a point by playing with words when everyone who takes a step back can clearly see what's going on in the business.Haunted said:
Edit: MrPliskin, you're trying so hard to discredit Nintendo, it's cute.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Wait a minute. So Nintendo invented analog sticks and rumble now too?
ShockingAlberto
Member
This is funny because it isn't what I said at all.Rabbitwork said:
He was asked a question on how he feels about Natal and Move. The GAF reaction, which is sadly pretty typical, is like he called a press conference to call them jive suckers.
And who used it as a standard controller? Who took a huge risk and are now reaping the rewards? Why do you think Sony and Microsoft made Move and Natal anyway?MrPliskin said:
First of all, I hate the Wii. I hate motion controls and I wish it wouldn't become the standard, but Nintendo does deserve the credit. They didn't invent motion controls, but they sure as hell made it popular.
Between the Move and this thread I made two pictures that perfectly sum up my feelings on these subjects.
So There!
On topic:
I think that Miyamoto is especially 'honored' by this because this might be one of his last ideas that goes mainstream. Usually it takes him and Nintendo about 2 console generations to come up with a new idea and by then he's retired.
MrPliskin said:
Swittcher said:
So There!
On topic:
I think that Miyamoto is especially 'honored' by this because this might be one of his last ideas that goes mainstream. Usually it takes him and Nintendo about 2 console generations to come up with a new idea and by then he's retired.
I'm sure your not blind or stupid living under a rock for the past few years...no one is saying(not even Nintendo) that they invented motion controls. We will sure as hell be going into graphical fidelity leap year over year (innovation, yay) with same controls if it wasn't for what Nintendo did. Actually, look at the move, look at the f***ing thing, look at the planned marketing...that's all you need to know that this is a 'followers' process and Nintendo should damn well be honored.tokkun said:
TheKingsCrown
Banned
if you're saying that it is not an adequate response, that is correctcivilstrife said:
but to say it is not a response is false
OrangeYouGlad
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DidntKnowJack said:
I believe they also invented blowjobs.
Haunted
Member
Well, that's exactly why I clearly said "pushed hugely like this". Denying the effect of Nintendo's success with motion controls is just as silly as saying that Sony and Microsoft only researched these technologies because of the Wii.MrPliskin said:
I think this is all fairly obvious stuff.
John Rabbit
Banned
again, you imply that because he was asked the question, his answer doesn't warrant a forum reaction on the level of a press conference statement; a level that in my opinion this thread has not reached. (edit: prior to my writing this, the thread didn't have the above ms paint pics, now we're getting there)ShockingAlberto said:
so. again. i ask why do you feel that an answer prompted by a question provided by a major corporate figurehead is somehow less worthy of criticism or scrutiny than a prepared statement provided by a major corporate figurehead.
Haunted said:
I still think the market would have made a clear progression toward a medium that would include casual gamers, and this would be the easiest way to do it. Given the state of game development, I think it's only natural to think that both 1st and 3rd parties would be looking for ways to bring in a more casual market to the table, and this is clearly the way they would have courted them.
I think it's disingenuous to say that this ONLY happened because of Nintendo, or that it would have never seen the light of day if Nintendo hadn't rolled around. Clearly this has been something that has been on the table for over a decade between all of these competitors.
MrPliskin said:
This is silly and delusional. First off, they didn't receive much attention because nobody outside of Japan has ever seen them and they certainly didn't make big splashes within the Japanese arcade market. Kirby's Tilt 'n Tumble and WarioWare Twisted were probably a lot more important in the overall scheme of things because they represent cheap, mass consumer level and high acceptance level implementations. Everything else is on the order of the Power Glove in terms of significance and acceptance. That and MEMS accelerometers have been adopted in many industrial applications and digital cameras which the Nintendo can thank for lowering the prices. Nintendo now drives that market and is the largest purchaser of such technologies.
CadetMahoney
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Swittcher said:
Obilgatory
reggieandTFE
Member
MrPliskin said:
You're just digging a deeper hole man.
DidntKnowJack
Member
This is a true story. Everyone copies everyone else to some degree.DMeisterJ said:
Except Nintendo, of course.
ShinHayase
Member
The only thing I know is that this thread is not an honor for GAF.
gofreak said:
Yes, if you see it purely from the technology stand point. If you see it as the way people are interacting with games through movement, it's pretty apparent Microsoft noticed the Wii's success and said, hey, let's get in on that. If MS gave a shit about the Eye Toy's actual appeal they'd have beaten Nintendo to the movement punch years ago.