fortified_concept
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Nice condescending bullshit. I like how he pats himself on the back even for Natal, a project much more similar to EyeToy than Wiimote.
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civilstrife
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Kandrick said:
I'm surprised most of them are still around. Didn't they say that they'd quit gaming if motion control ever caught on, or was "gasp" adopted by the competition?
Pseudo_Sam
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I think it's pretty clear Move and/or Natal, while not necessarily conceived in response to the Wii, wouldn't be seeing this kind of push were it not for the ridiculous success of the Wii. That's not a knock against Sony or MS, it's just how business works. Nintendo took a chance and struck gold, and I think they deserve the credit for that, but if Sony or MS can make it work their own way then more power to 'em.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
The Eye Toy found decent success. It's weird to say that they copied Nintendo by copying Sony.jay said:
They already had their eyes on the Eye Toy. They had that vision camera and that one game they released for it, didn't they? Natal seems like an extrapolation of that direction, which was pushed harder by the success of the Wii.
That feels like a more accurate way of looking at it to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ONchIXAkk#t=2m50sSoneet said:
MrPing1000
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Bit like when they asked Jim Carrey about all the shitty straight to DVD films shitting on his work.
CadetMahoney
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All this copying talk can't be complete without this classic from the other thread:
http://i40.tinypic.com/5cefli.jpg
I can't remember what the Gaf conclusion was though. . . Nintendo copied Sony I think.
http://i40.tinypic.com/5cefli.jpg
I can't remember what the Gaf conclusion was though. . . Nintendo copied Sony I think.
civilstrife
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ITT: Shigeru Miyamoto is a condescending prick.
Also, Natal and Move have nothing to do with the success of Wii.
Up next: Xbox avatars were an original idea.
Also, Natal and Move have nothing to do with the success of Wii.
Up next: Xbox avatars were an original idea.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
I don't care enough to feel better about it either way. I just thought that was probably more accurate to what happened.jay said:
DeaconKnowledge
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MYE said:
Dear fortified:
I hate to be on the Nintendo fanboys side, but seriously guys. You don't actually believe Nintendo copied Sony, when Sony pretty much kept insulting the controller until now when they have a product to show off. And you can't seriously tell me Microsoft made Natal to combat the fucking Eyetoy :lol
Listen I don't care who copied who, but Sony's Move and Microsoft's Natal were all clearly made to compete with the Wiimote.
Listen I don't care who copied who, but Sony's Move and Microsoft's Natal were all clearly made to compete with the Wiimote.
Haunted
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Well, I'm sure Microsoft looked at Singstar when making Lips. So I'm also sure they were looking at EyeToy when they conceived Natal.wRATH2x said:
It would be stupid to not look at the stuff others have done in the same area before.
It's pretty clear that the Wii's success prompted this massive emphasis on motion controls we're seeing from Sony and Microsoft, though.
Ninetendo are no more innovative than either Sony, Microsoft or SEGA. In fact, the later company was way more ingenious and paved the way for a lot of gadgets/concepts that Nintendo has been associated with (Analog with Nights...). What Nintendo excels at is pushing the tech at the RIGHT time.
Was Sony inspired by Nintendo ? Definitely not from a tech perspective. They have been working for new interfaces and output systems for a long time, and I suspect that qualified people in Microsoft's labs have been conducting similar researches. The types of motion control the Wii provides WAS a necessary evolution. However, Nintendo took the risks of going first, and thanks to their success, others were obliged to align on the offer. Not discrediting Nintendo, because they've been relentlessly exploring some interessting territories, but their genius lay more in the business side of it...
Yeah, but the technology, even the philosophy behind it has nothing to do with the wii-mote. I concede that it was a business response, definitely...
Was Sony inspired by Nintendo ? Definitely not from a tech perspective. They have been working for new interfaces and output systems for a long time, and I suspect that qualified people in Microsoft's labs have been conducting similar researches. The types of motion control the Wii provides WAS a necessary evolution. However, Nintendo took the risks of going first, and thanks to their success, others were obliged to align on the offer. Not discrediting Nintendo, because they've been relentlessly exploring some interessting territories, but their genius lay more in the business side of it...
Yeah, but the technology, even the philosophy behind it has nothing to do with the wii-mote. I concede that it was a business response, definitely...
Pseudo_Sam said:
Of course. We wouldn't be having a conversation if that was the claim, but it was a bit different than that. He was claiming 'origination of that user experience' for Nintendo, not simply its largescale commercial success and the subsequent influence of that. Now I think if he said that just about Move it would be unremarkable comment, but Natal too? The 'originator' of that particular user experience existed and was commercialised and brought to market with reasonably notable success a long long time before.
It's not a big deal, but it's amazing people try to hush any criticism of his comments when we've had plenty of scoffing at less than 'full' or realistic versions of history here from other companies. They're all presenting less than the full story or a less than accurate 'version of events' that suits their desired vision of themselves.
PhoenixDark
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fortified_concept said:
EmCeeGramr
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EmCeeGramr
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Agreed, what a jack-ass. He should just fuck himself and die for saying that other companies are making upgraded versions of the Wii experience with Move and Natal and that the marketplace is going to become a more competitive environment because of that.fortified_concept said:
I agree actually, not everything has to be original.Haunted said:
And I also hate it when some Nintendo fanboys claim that Nintendo invented online gameplay and the Dreamcast was copying it :lol When it was clearly to replicate PC gaming on consoles.
I hate this copying bullshit, but it is pretty obvious that Sony and Microsofts new direction is due to Nintendo. Sure they might not have copied but you can at least say influenced. If it wasn't for the Wiimote we wouldn't have these companies always trying to "innovate"(I hate that word). But all in all I wish we would have the standard controls back, but thats never happening.
I love that post showing ad-on EyeToy games for the ad-on EyeToy peripheral for the hugely successful traditionally controlled PS2 which came 3-4 years after the PS2 was released. And no one fucking remembers those games, and no one gives a shit about them anymore.
Good thing that's nothing at all like the PS3 and Move.
Good thing that's nothing at all like the PS3 and Move.
Forearm Star
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Fakto said:
Really it's what it all comes down to..
Honestly though, no other company could have done it. If 4 years ago a whacky wand was the only way to play Halo 3 or MGS 4...Both Sony and MS probably would have crumbled under the pressure.
But make it the only way to play a Mario or Zelda game in the future and it'll def have the push it needs to succeed. Just saying
My opinion
TheRagnCajun
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Pistolero said:Ninetendo are no more innovative than either Sony, Microsoft or SEGA. In fact, the later company was way more ingenious and paved the way for a lot of gadgets/concepts that Nintendo has been associated with (Analog with Nights...). What Nintendo excels at is pushing the tech at the RIGHT time.
Was Sony inspired by Nintendo ? Definitely not from a tech perspective. They have been working for new interfaces and output systems for a long time, and I suspect that qualified people in Microsoft's labs have been conducting similar researches. The types of motion control the Wii provides WAS a necessary evolution. However, Nintendo took the risks of going first, and thanks to their success, others were obliged to align on the offer. Not discrediting Nintendo, because they've been relentlessly exploring some interessting territories, but their genius lay more in the business side of it...
Yeah, but the technology, even the philosophy behind it has nothing to do with the wii-mote. I concede that it was a business response, definitely...
Probably one of the most even-handed and sensible posts in this thread. Nintendo was the only company who really knew what to do with motion control tech.
EmCeeGramr said:
I don't think that any company outside Nintendo could reply that kind of success on the causal market, just take a look at the first party games sales on Wii, no one can't touch those. Mind you a system conceived to easy access, casual friendly...
Why could 3rd parties have a magic success on HD systems now?
That's why I say that is pretty damn good position for Nintendo having the other two doing the same thing. It will be Nintendo domination again, the thing has been wraped, and delivered like 4 years ago.
mentalfloss
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