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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3

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pa22word

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Sectorseven said:
Total layman question, but does having 8 cores possibly make for better multi-platform games? Like, since the PS4 has 8 cores, does that mean it would be easier to port to PC, since you could plop in instructions core for core?
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Na, if devs did that I imagine we'd get Saint's Row 2 style ports.

It honestly wouldn't shock me if we ever cracked the PS4 or X1 and people started monitoring system usage in real time and we found that console games are just as single thread bound as their PC brothers, and that a lot of these "bad ports" that crash thread 1 to 99% are more boiled down to boneheaded engine design than crappy porting.
 
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justsomeguy

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Sectorseven said:
Total layman question, but does having 8 cores possibly make for better multi-platform games? Like, since the PS4 has 8 cores, does that mean it would be easier to port to PC, since you could plop in instructions core for core?
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I believe most game engines aren't "hard wired" like that but rather will have a job pool that jobs get pulled from as threads on cores free up. So generally speaking, no it won't make a big difference. What you would see (and some of the general benchmarks show) is that some games scale better with number of cores than others do.
 
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tuxfool

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nubbe said:
Hope so, because it will be the first question in the thread.

Can it run Crysis?
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I'd safely say a 7700K would be the best for Crysis.

That game is extremely poorly threaded. Because of how good the game still looks people forget how old it is.
 
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Paragon

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StaSeb said:
no, those 1TB NVNEs are where I draw the line. Just to expensive for an anyways pretty unreasonable piece of hardware.
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I have to say that I was pretty shocked when I saw the price of those Samsung Pro NVMe drives as I was aware of their existence but had not been following them closely since my current PC doesn't have an M.2 slot.
With the prices of SSDs steadily dropping over the years, seeing the prices of NVMe drives felt like stepping back in time. They're basically double the cost of SATA M.2 drives here.
I was really hoping to be upgrading from a 512MB SATA3 SSD to a 2TB drive - NVMe or not - but only 1TB SATA drives seem to fall into the "affordable" range.
Considering that NVMe has very little performance benefit for most workloads, you really need to have very low storage requirements or have money to burn to buy one.

nubbe said:
Hope so, because it will be the first question in the thread.
Can it run Crysis?
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I mean, I know that you're joking, but Crysis doesn't really benefit from more than a dual-core CPU and is heavily reliant on single-core performance - so it's still a difficult game to run today.
It still destroys GPUs as well. Maxed out, my GTX 1070 can't run it at 4K60.
 
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TheGreyHulk

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Sectorseven said:
Total layman question, but does having 8 cores possibly make for better multi-platform games? Like, since the PS4 has 8 cores, does that mean it would be easier to port to PC, since you could plop in instructions core for core?
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It doesnt mean anything in regards to ports because the CPUs in the PS4/Xbone aren't don't really compare to what PCs use which are mainly quad cores which are much more powerful and run at much faster clocks than what's on consoles.

The good thing about consoles having 8 cores is that it allows for better multithreaded development vs last gen and PC takes advantage of that just by running the multithreaded code. It doesnt need to have equal cores especially since the cores on modern pcs are significantly more powerful.
 
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Dream_Journey

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Sectorseven said:
Total layman question, but does having 8 cores possibly make for better multi-platform games? Like, since the PS4 has 8 cores, does that mean it would be easier to port to PC, since you could plop in instructions core for core?
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Maybe bit better but I don't think will see huge different, just look at FX8300, true 8 cores and much better than consoles Jaguar CPU's but not good even then some of i3's for games.
 
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Oachkatzlschwoaf

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Dream_Journey said:
Maybe bit better but I don't think will see huge different, just look at FX8300, true 8 cores and much better than consoles Jaguar CPU's but not good even then some of i3's for games.
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The FX8300 has only four FPUs, so no, not a true 8 core design.
Jaguar in the other hand has 8 full cores as far as I know, but I could be wrong here.
 
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Iastfan112

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Dream_Journey said:
Maybe bit better but I don't think will see huge different, just look at FX8300, true 8 cores and much better than consoles Jaguar CPU's but not good even then some of i3's for games.
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While they way be cores, calling Bulldozer's cores true as if they are no different from Intel's offering's or the upcoming Ryzen is very misleading. There are significantly more shared resources between pairs of cores with the Bulldozer line.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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·feist·;230972903 said:
The Ryzen OT will have a section covering which manufacturers have already announced AM4 support, with links to their pages wherever possible.


Corsair have sourced their AIOs from multiple OEMs and had different mounting mechanism revisions, so it depends on the cooler, really.

Corsair releases socket AM4 compatibility info (via OC3D)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1



Not sure which vendor you're using, but Cooler Master has it listed via their CM-EU store:

AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1)
http://www.cmstore.eu/cooling/amd-am4-upgrade-kit-rr-accy-am4b-r1

Alternatively:
We are ready for your AM4 socket
http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-for-your-am4-socket/

cm-am4-upgrade.jpg




CRYORIG Provides Free AM4 Update Kit
http://www.cryorig.com/news.php?id=67


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Noctua usually offers free conversion kits too, though you need a valid proof of purchase like a receipt so I hope you kept yours.
 
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Defuser

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Im kinda glad the R5 1600x is releasing in Q2.

Gives me more time to save up for a new motherboard and a win 10 os altogether.
 
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ndawgdrake

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·feist·;230972903 said:
The Ryzen OT will have a section covering which manufacturers have already announced AM4 support, with links to their pages wherever possible.


Corsair have sourced their AIOs from multiple OEMs and had different mounting mechanism revisions, so it depends on the cooler, really.

Corsair releases socket AM4 compatibility info (via OC3D)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1



Not sure which vendor you're using, but Cooler Master has it listed via their CM-EU store:

AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1)
http://www.cmstore.eu/cooling/amd-am4-upgrade-kit-rr-accy-am4b-r1

Alternatively:
We are ready for your AM4 socket
http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-for-your-am4-socket/

cm-am4-upgrade.jpg




CRYORIG Provides Free AM4 Update Kit
http://www.cryorig.com/news.php?id=67


20170125_cover.jpg
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Damn no CM support for their V6 GT.
 
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Siddiqui

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Scythe rep gave a list of coolers:
Hi Narida,

The katana 3 Type A does not need an AM4 conversion kit, it is compatible to socket AM4.
The coolers will get a conversion kit:
· Mugen 4 (SCMG-4000) / Mugen 4 PCGH (SCMG-4PCGH)
· Kotetsu (SCKTT-1000)
· Ninja 4 (SCNJ-4000)
· Grand Kama Cross 3 (SCGKC-3000)
· Fuma: (SCFM-1000)
· Mugen Max (SCMGD-1000)
· Ashura (SCASR-1000)

The coolers (mounting system without back plate) are alredy compatible with socket AM4:
· Katana 4 (SCKTN-4000)
· Katana 3 (SCKTN-3000A)
· Kabuto 3 (SCKBT-3000)
· Shuriken rev.B (SCSK-1100)
· Tatsumi (SCTTM-1000A)
· Byakko (SCBYK-1000)
· Iori (SCIOR-1000)
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Good to see my Kotetsu has the option. Sad to hear my big shuriken rev. 2 b won't get a kit. The thing is glorious and I don't see a replacement nearly as good - 5 copper pipes going out both ways, only 58 mm tall, near silent 120 mm fan, rises up on all sides to help clear RAM... really exceptional design. And it doesn't even cost too much.
 
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IceIpor

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Unknown Soldier said:
Noctua usually offers free conversion kits too, though you need a valid proof of purchase like a receipt so I hope you kept yours.
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Good thing they consider a photo and full name valid proof too~.
noctua said:
We strictly require a valid proof of purchase (electronic version or scan/photo of the invoice) of both a Noctua CPU cooler and either an AM4 motherboard or AM4 CPU in order to process your request. In case you've lost the invoice of your Noctua CPU cooler, please write your full name and the current date on a piece of paper, take a photo of the paper next to your CPU cooler and upload it as proof of purchase. Please note that your name has to be clearly readable and that we can't process requests without proper proof of purchase.
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CarbonFire

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·feist·;230972903 said:
The Ryzen OT will have a section covering which manufacturers have already announced AM4 support, with links to their pages wherever possible.


Corsair have sourced their AIOs from multiple OEMs and had different mounting mechanism revisions, so it depends on the cooler, really.

Corsair releases socket AM4 compatibility info (via OC3D)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1



Not sure which vendor you're using, but Cooler Master has it listed via their CM-EU store:

AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1)
http://www.cmstore.eu/cooling/amd-am4-upgrade-kit-rr-accy-am4b-r1

Alternatively:
We are ready for your AM4 socket
http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-for-your-am4-socket/

cm-am4-upgrade.jpg
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I don't even see the H115i listed....Terrrrrrrific. Hopefully the conversion kit will work.
 
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Speedwagon

Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
The X's auto-overclocking sounds very convenient, but is it worth the extra $70 over the 1700 and no wraith cooler? I've never overcooked before, but I've been interested.
 
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Aztechnology

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Speedwagon said:
The X's auto-overclocking sounds very convenient, but is it worth the extra $70 over the 1700 and no wraith cooler? I've never overcooked before, but I've been interested.
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Overclocking generally is a pretty straightforward task now unless you're trying to absolutely maximize (messing with Blck and such extensively). Sure you can go above and beyond to really squeeze out everything you can. But for most it's as simple as setting a core multiplier dependent on your RAM speed. Changing the core votalge to reach higher speeds as long as you are in comfortable operating temperatures and then eventually setting it to an adaptive mode so the CPU can adjust its voltage/frequency as needed to conserve power/thermal.
 
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jrcbandit

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I wonder how long the AM4 adapter update will be available for free. I have a Kraken NZXT cooler and I don't plan on upgrading any time soon, but if the 1700X is nicely overclockable I was going to consider it later this year.
 
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CarbonFire

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Speedwagon said:
The X's auto-overclocking sounds very convenient, but is it worth the extra $70 over the 1700 and no wraith cooler? I've never overcooked before, but I've been interested.
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As was mentioned earlier, there's a decent chance that whatever chips they use for the X versions will just be "better" chips for overclocking. Not all chips are created equal, as there are microscopic variances in the quality and consistency inherent to this type of manufacturing process that will affect how well a particular chip will performs "above spec".

Every R7 1700 chip they sell should perform up to the turbo speed listed. The X variant is really only worth it if you're planning on pushing it far past those baseline specifications. That's probably why they're not bundling the Wraith cooler with the X versions.....because they expect people who buy that variant will already have (or are planning to buy) a much better cooling solution in place to push those chips to their limit.

It remains to be seen how well this "auto-overclocking" works in practice. Could be great for first time overclockers who'd like the extra performance and are willing to pay for a good cooler, but don't have the expertise to dig through bios settings to get the most out of their CPU. But I doubt it will be AS good as manual overclocking.

Either way, don't expect to get a lot more out of the X unless you plan on investing in a decent cooler as well.
 
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Speedwagon

Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Aztechnology said:
Overclocking generally is a pretty straightforward task now unless you're trying to absolutely maximize (messing with Blck and such extensively). Sure you can go above and beyond to really squeeze out everything you can. But for most it's as simple as setting a core multiplier dependent on your RAM speed. Changing the core votalge to reach higher speeds as long as you are in comfortable operating temperatures and then eventually setting it to an adaptive mode so the CPU can adjust its voltage/frequency as needed to conserve power/thermal.
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I didn't know there was an adaptive mode. Would that be comparable to auto-overclocking? I might just go the 1700 route then.

CarbonFire said:
As was mentioned earlier, there's a decent chance that whatever chips they use for the X versions will just be "better" chips for overclocking. Not all chips are created equal, as there are microscopic variances in the quality and consistency inherent to this type of manufacturing process that will affect how well a particular chip will performs "above spec".

Every R7 1700 chip they sell should perform up to the turbo speed listed. The X variant is really only worth it if you're planning on pushing it far past those baseline specifications. That's probably why they're not bundling the Wraith cooler with the X versions.....because they expect people who buy that variant will already have (or are planning to buy) a much better cooling solution in place to push those chips to their limit.

It remains to be seen how well this "auto-overclocking" works in practice. Could be great for first time overclockers who'd like the extra performance and are willing to pay for a good cooler, but don't have the expertise to dig through bios settings to get the most out of their CPU. But I doubt it will be AS good as manual overclocking.

Either way, don't expect to get a lot more out of the X unless you plan on investing in a decent cooler as well.
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I see, thanks a lot.
 
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Locuza

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There are some information and teasers floating around the curren Ryzen testing:
Some drop of info from the AIDA dev:Many review sites have problems, as a lot of boards have buggy BIOS etc, which the manufacturers trying to iron out as fast as they can. Plus there is some strange things going on with the Ryzens cache/memory latency, it's very high. The speed is great, but the latency is not so much, sources yet unknown
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Apparently there is a hardware fault with the ryzen cpus which will require re-manufacturing
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/30537390/

According to a member from the german 3DCenter website who isn't under NDA but works for a company which will use Naples (Ryzen for servers), the current issues are the same.

And two german journalist, one working for Computerbase and the other for Golem, are teasing their current "beta testing":
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=58&p=19812695#post19812695
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=58&p=19812605#post19812605
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=57&p=19812552#post19812552
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=57&p=19812453#post19812453
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=62&p=19813852#post19813852
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=62&p=19813968#post19813968

A simple summary:
All boards are working but booting can take some excessive time.
It looks like OC results (and probably other) are improving with new BIOS versions which is annoying from the testers perspective because well, every day your old results might be invalid.
The launch seeems to be forced because every mainboard manufacturer is late regarding robust BIOS versions.
6 days before launch without a final BIOS never happened before.
It feels like they need one or two months more before everything works as intended and robust.
For example the 3200 Mhz DDR4 memory from the testkit doesn't work with 3200 Mhz.

The performance results are quite over the place.
Sometimes Ryzen beats the 6900K from Intel and sometimes the performance falls apart, again stating that beta testing can be annoying.


Asus also gave some information around the memory situation:
A comment from Asus:

"
I've decided to provide some recommendations on DDR4 limitations concerning AM4 currently.

As it stands the AMD code has restricted RAM tuning options which means many RAM kits at launch will not be compatible. This is the same for our competitors also.
What we recommend is the following:
If fully populating a system with 4 DIMMs (2DPC), use memory up to a max of 2400MHz.
If using 1DPC (2 DIMMs) ensure they are installed in A2/B2 and use memory up to max of 3200MHz.

The indication I have received from HQ is that AMD has focused all their efforts on CPU performance so far and will release updated code in 1~2 months when we expect improved DDR4 compatibility and performance."


In short if filling all 4 DIMM's set your speed to 2400MHz and work up from there.
If using 2 DIMM's put them in the A2/B2 slots and a max of 3200MHz should be possible.

In our testing only the Crosshair board achieved 3000-3200MHz, the others were in the 2400-2666MHz range.

BIOS updates will come!
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ryzen-ddr4-memory-what-you-need-to-know.18770248/page-3#post-30533843

Golem:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=61&p=19813736#post19813736
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11300989#post11300989
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11301147#post11301147
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11301231#post11301231

The new MSI BIOS is 15% better than before (he doesn't state in relation to what and that it was neeeded).
Cinebench, Blender and Handbrake results are very much in line with the results AMD was showcasing but some other applications and games in general doesn't look alright but it seems like the bottleneck is becoming obvious.
Nonetheless the Ryzen R7 1800X shows good gaming performance.
And don't believe reports claiming the OC results are great or that the IPC is better than from Kaby-Lake.


Well now there are some speculations going on if the Ryzen processors itself are perfectly fine and only some new AGESA/BIOS code is needed for better results or if there are indeed some hardware faults which need a new CPU revision.
 
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Aztechnology

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Speedwagon said:
I didn't know there was an adaptive mode. Would that be comparable to auto-overclocking? I might just go the 1700 route then.



I see, thanks a lot.
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So what I meant by adaptive is. Essentially you set a ceiling in terms of core multiplier i.e 45 = 4.5 ghz (This depends on your blck, which changes based on the speed of your ram, it's a multiplier, 45 would be 4.5 with blck 100). and then your core voltage, essentially you fiddle and try to find how much voltage your particular chip needs to consistently operate at that frequency stably. Or if it takes too much energy/heat to be worth it, you drop and fiddle again. Rinse and repeat until you get speed:power/heat that you like typically. Every chip is different which is why you hear the term silicone lottery.

After you reach that overclock in a stable manner, you set it to be a form of adaptive mode, so that your chip is able to operate like a normal CPU which adjusts by up-clocking or down-clocking depending on what you're doing. For instance your CPU might be base 3.4ghz with 3.8ghz boost. But usually when you're just surfing or something it will be running at something like 1.2hghz on your core to save energy and reduce heat. You want that same feature to be used on your CPU generally when OC'd too right? That's what it does.

Some people do fixed multipliers where it just constantly runs at say 4.5ghz and the same voltage without changing but I personally think that's silly given the available features.

TDLR adaptive modes are usually set after you find a stable OC. It just allows your chip to use the chip without a fixed overclock, down-clocking or up-clocking to the overclock you set when needed.
 
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Speedwagon

Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Aztechnology said:
So what I meant by adaptive is. Essentially you set a ceiling in terms of core multiplier i.e 45 = 4.5 ghz (This depends on your blck, which changes based on the speed of your ram, it's a multiplier, 45 would be 4.5 with blck 100). and then your core voltage, essentially you fiddle and try to find how much voltage your particular chip needs to consistently operate at that frequency stably. Or if it takes too much energy/heat to be worth it, you drop and fiddle again. Rinse and repeat until you get speed:power/heat that you like typically. Every chip is different which is why you hear the term silicone lottery.

After you reach that overclock in a stable manner, you set it to be a form of adaptive mode, so that your chip is able to operate like a normal CPU which adjusts by up-clocking or down-clocking depending on what you're doing. For instance your CPU might be base 3.4ghz with 3.8ghz boost. But usually when you're just surfing or something it will be running at something like 1.2hghz on your core to save energy and reduce heat. You want that same feature to be used on your CPU generally when OC'd too right? That's what it does.

Some people do fixed multipliers where it just constantly runs at say 4.5ghz and the same voltage without changing but I personally think that's silly given the available features.

TDLR adaptive modes are usually set after you find a stable OC. It just allows your chip to use the chip without a fixed overclock, down-clocking or up-clocking to the overclock you set when needed.
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So auto-overclocking simply jumps past the stable OC setup? Would auto-overclocking have an adaptive mode also?
 
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Aztechnology

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Speedwagon said:
So auto-overclocking simply jumps past the stable OC setup? Would auto-overclocking have an adaptive mode also?
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Edit: Wups sorry misread.

Manually overlocking is mainly just time consuming because you have to work in small increments and test. But other serious overclockers can usually provide you a good baseline to work off of.

Auto overclocks usually are ok, but they tend to use lower overclocks and use more power than is needed. Yes they usually use an adaptive mode. I don't know how Ryzen's new OC system works though, so I can't really comment on that.
 
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What A Time To Be Alive

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Locuza said:
There are some information and teasers floating around the curren Ryzen testing:


https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/30537390/

According to a member from the german 3DCenter website who isn't under NDA but works for a company which will use Naples (Ryzen for servers), the current issues are the same.

And two german journalist, one working for Computerbase and the other for Golem, are teasing their current "beta testing":
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=58&p=19812695#post19812695
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=58&p=19812605#post19812605
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=57&p=19812552#post19812552
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=57&p=19812453#post19812453
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=62&p=19813852#post19813852
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=62&p=19813968#post19813968

A simple summary:
All boards are working but booting can take some excessive time.
It looks like OC results (and probably other) are improving with new BIOS versions which is annoying from the testers perspective because well, every day your old results might be invalid.
The launch seeems to be forced because every mainboard manufacturer is late regarding robust BIOS versions.
6 days before launch without a final BIOS never happened before.
It feels like they need one or two months more before everything works as intended and robust.
For example the 3200 Mhz DDR4 memory from the testkit doesn't work with 3200 Mhz.

The performance results are quite over the place.
Sometimes Ryzen beats the 6900K from Intel and sometimes the performance falls apart, again stating that beta testing can be annoying.


Asus also gave some information around the memory situation:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ryzen-ddr4-memory-what-you-need-to-know.18770248/page-3#post-30533843

Golem:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&page=61&p=19813736#post19813736
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11300989#post11300989
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11301147#post11301147
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11301231#post11301231

The new MSI BIOS is 15% better than before (he doesn't state in relation to what and that it was neeeded).
Cinebench, Blender and Handbrake results are very much in line with the results AMD was showcasing but some other applications and games in general doesn't look alright but it seems like the bottleneck is becoming obvious.
Nonetheless the Ryzen R7 1800X shows good gaming performance.
And don't believe reports claiming the OC results are great or that the IPC is better than from Kaby-Lake.


Well now there are some speculations going on if the Ryzen processors itself are perfectly fine and only some new AGESA/BIOS code is needed for better results or if there are indeed some hardware faults which need a new CPU revision.
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About par for course of what I'm expecting out of Ryzen benchmarks. I never expected it to beat out Kaby Lake it terms of gaming performance. As long as it's solid for the most part I'm fine. I think the R5 set is when we really start looking at gaming performance vs. the i7/i5.

I think the problems going on right now most likely have to do with BIOS. Sucks this wasn't sorted out before launch. I think once it get's patched up in a month or two everything will be fine. Just gotta go through those early adopter pains. Broadwell-E had the same shit happening when that dropped, there was a shit ton of BIOS problems. Par for course when it comes to launching a whole new CPU like this.
 
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Durante

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The performance being good in some applications and falling apart in others sounds a bit concerning. (depending on just how large the discrepancy is)
 
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Coulomb_Barrier

Member
Locuza said:
There are some information and teasers floating around the curren Ryzen testing:


Well now there are some speculations going on if the Ryzen processors itself are perfectly fine and only some new AGESA/BIOS code is needed for better results or if there are indeed some hardware faults which need a new CPU revision.
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From the same source:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...pu-discussion.18665505/page-430#post-30538891

From one of the biggest Hardware publications in Turkey apparently.
Saw this video earlier but I couldn't understand what was being said. However someone has translated some of what was said thankfully.

This is the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKmeCdB914

To sum up the things he stated;

"Overclock is no problem at all. Though we can not say a certain frequency due to NDA, I can say that it is impressive. Overclockers will be happy."
"I have friends from AMD Engineering department due to my experience in the hardware industry. Zen 2 or Zen B will be even more competitive. So we can say that Intel shall brood on the future"
"With our overclocked 1800x sample,under Noctua cooler given by AMD, we have passed beyond the stock single thread performance of 7700k, in a specific bench, and the temps were great. We had no concern about temps during our run which passes the ST performance of 7700k."
"In some benchmarks AMD(!). It seems ironical yes but AMD is presenting a CPU performance that Intel can not keep up with even with their 10 core 6950x!"
"Breaking NDA won't be a problem since the scores are beyond fantastic. But we will stick with the tradition."
"With one click I can reach great OC's. So I won't really bother with the manual OC no more."
"Single thread score will be so great. According to this performance we can say that 7700K will be history, even for gaming, from now on" he said.
"Intel shall shake themself. Because Ryzen will be a great choice for Overclock enthusiast."
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PnCIa

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Ozorov said:
Isnt it worrying that AMD hasnt showcased any games?
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They showed Sniper Elite 4 i thought.

Regarding the contradicting information we are getting atm: Beta bios at launch on a completely new platform is unfortunate but not unheared of. I would never ever buy a product like this right at launch! Always wait a month+ until mobo vendors get their bios under control.
The cache latency testing and how it affects real world applications is going to be interesting. AMDs design will have a different set of strengths and weaknesses compared to Intels.
 
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PnCIa said:
They showed Sniper Elite 4 i thought.

Regarding the contradicting information we are getting atm: Beta bios at launch on a completely new platform is unfortunate but not unheared of. I would never ever buy a product like this right at launch! Always wait a month+ until mobo vendors get their bios under control.
The cache latency testing and how it affects real world applications is going to be interesting. AMDs design will have a different set of strengths and weaknesses compared to Intels.
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They had systems (Ryzen + Vega) running at events now from as far back as last year running Battlefront at 4K @ 60 fps.
 
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longdi

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"Intel shall shake themself. Because Ryzen will be a great choice for Overclock enthusiast."
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Time to shake yeah Intel.

Hopefully we will see a 12 cores kabylakeX for a more reasonable $999, like the old days.
 
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Locuza said:
Asus also gave some information around the memory situation:
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Something else that doesn't seem to have been mentioned many places is that they've dropped ECC support.
Many of the motherboards still support the use of ECC RAM, but the error correction functionality is disabled.
There has been a patch made to the Linux kernel to ignore ECC reporting from Ryzen hardware as well.

Durante said:
The performance being good in some applications and falling apart in others sounds a bit concerning. (depending on just how large the discrepancy is)
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I think a lot of that could be related to their half-rate AVX2 support, and the high memory latency concerns that are being reported.
It doesn't surprise me that this would be the case though, as we have known that AMD have made some compromises with Ryzen's design compared to Intel. That's one of the reasons why it's so much less expensive.
It could also be unrealistic expectations of what an 8-core CPU is actually going to perform like, when so many applications do not take advantage of >4 cores - even many applications that you think would benefit from it.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier said:
No because demonstrating a new CPU with game performance would be strange.
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Why exactly? There are quite a few games where you can easily demonstrate CPU's performance.

It is strange and it does point to the fact that Ryzen might not be as good in gaming as in rendering (Cinebench seems to be everywhere these days, I hope you all are using it all the time).

Wait for proper benchmarks.
 
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General Lee

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People are pretty desperate for gaming benchmarks here. I don't remember Intel ever giving half the gaming demos I've already seen with Ryzen before launch.
 
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Zaru

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dr_rus said:
Why exactly? There are quite a few games where you can easily demonstrate CPU's performance.
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Sure you can slap a 1080, loads of RAM and an ultra fast SSD onto a mainboard and play a game with low graphics settings but it'll never be as linear and direct as a dedicated CPU-bound benchmark. Or am I missing something here?
 
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I am struggling to see why an serious streamer would not get something like an 1700 over anything Intel has out in comparable price ranges.

Similar IPC, but double the cores and threads. You will be able to push the compression quite a bit further.
 
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It's a bit dissapointing that Ryzen is coming in so hot, because you just know AMD is going to be shit upon by the internet if a narrative developes that Ryzen is flaky.

Having only recently picked up a second hand 5820k (sweet overcloocker @4.6) I'm not in any rush to upgrade, but hopefully AMD can give Intel a right bloody nose.
 
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What A Time To Be Alive said:
I think the problems going on right now most likely have to do with BIOS. Sucks this wasn't sorted out before launch. I think once it get's patched up in a month or two everything will be fine. Just gotta go through those early adopter pains. Broadwell-E had the same shit happening when that dropped, there was a shit ton of BIOS problems. Par for course when it comes to launching a whole new CPU like this.
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Pretty much. I waited a couple of months before building a 4770K system because a variety of reviews noted motherboard issues. Skylake seemed to have quite a few bugs in this department as well. It's not really a new thing.

Ryzen being a brand new architecure on a brand new platform? Yeah, there's going to be some problems.
 
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