More like "finally, I feel comfortable outside of my mom's basement"
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Godwin: Charlottesville Alt-Right are Nazis; Keep Saying It
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More like "finally, I feel comfortable outside of my mom's basement"
Razorback
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Yup, it's like saying you're a member of ISIS. See how long you'll last before being thrown in jail.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Even if they are low level spades, like a 3 or 4 are still spades.
Yoshimitsu126
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Damn is that a colored photo during 1940s? That photographer nailed down the tone.
ryutaro's mama
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autumnleaf
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Yeah it is actual color photograph of SS initiation ceremony in Munich I think.
here is another actual color photograph, this one in Berlin though. Always creeps me out as well.
they're just as organized and controlled by higher ups gang as any of the other ones. it's not just costumes.
I don't think anyone is losing sleep over it, lol. When racists are literally murdering people nobody cares about small, insignificant distinctions. But, I will say, maybe distinctions are important when trying to understand deep hatred & reform/evolve a society.
hydrophilic attack
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lol
IISANDERII
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Yes. I'm not following American news so much so when I see "Nazi" in headlines I suddenly think there's some revival, 4th Reich thing happening in Germany.
Y'all do know that there was a Nazi party in the US, right?
It's an ideology based on fascism and racial purity. Seems to me like they check both boxes.
Evening Musuko
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They'll most likely think "I'm a good person. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not a Klansman. I'm not a white supremacist. Just because I march with them, doesn't mean I'm bad."
IISANDERII
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Agreed. These white supremacists do not look, act or sound like Nazis.
Actually, I kinda disagree with that notion. I understand the wish of thinking of America like some kind of hero that are always the good, but fact is it's not.
I agree that they don't stand for the most "virtious valious" of America, but they're still part of it. Just like the KKK. America has a system that allows such entities to exist and you have to own up to it to change it. These Nazis aren't some kind of foreign invasion, they most likely were born in America and grow up in it, but they still ended up as nazis. America has a history of racism and segregation ( but also of freedom and hope)
A lot of posters here feeling smug talking down to the one that suggested the distinction of the two terms Nazi and Neo-Nazi. This distinction is based on decades of Germany dealing with the issue of right-wing facism. Both are accurate terms that describe their specific group and leave no room for confusion. The distinction is made for a reason.
Now don't get me wrong, there is no issue with calling America's white supremacists nazis in everyday chatter, but I certainly hope that American scholars will not adopt that term, but rather the term neo-nazis for the discourse needed about these groups.
Now don't get me wrong, there is no issue with calling America's white supremacists nazis in everyday chatter, but I certainly hope that American scholars will not adopt that term, but rather the term neo-nazis for the discourse needed about these groups.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I'm constantly amazed how absurd people will get to defend Nazis.
"Well, TECHNICALLY they aren't actual Nazis"
"Well, TECHNICALLY they aren't actual Nazis"
tonysidaway
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"Are we the baddies?"
This is not to defend them, but in order to enable a more sophisticated discussion. I know everyone is emotional after everything that has happened the past few days, but is that so hard to understand?
And that's fine. We agree to disagree.
But as far as I'm concerned, When you say you're a Nazi, you say you're part of a terrorist group that wants to kill off anyone who is not white or christian. That's millions of Americans that they would have no problems removing, by any means necessary. There's no mincing of words. If you're Jewish, Muslim, or a person of color, you're on the chopping block.
We take a no tolerance rule with folks who associate themselves with Al-Qaeda or ISIS. This is what should be done with Nazis.
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On reading your post again, I don't even see where we disagree here. You're saying "you have to own up to it to change it." I don't think you can own up to it any other way. This end all the "well it's cool to feel powerful and get together with other guys and yell WHITE POWER, y'know?" stuff. It gets rid of all the politics. They don't get recognized as a "party." They're identified as terrorists. Once you take up the Nazi flag, you risk at best, being kicked out of the country and losing your citizenship, at worst being imprisoned for terrorism.
Thelonelykoopa
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There is no discussion to be had; They are merely a blight.
Not a discussion with them, but about them. Jesus Christ.
tonysidaway
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It's quite simple: Nazi colours are black and blue, white supremacist colours are white and gold.
DiipuSurotu
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yanipheonu
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There's a /S missing from that post.
MrRudiMentary
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I imagine most of these people subscribe to the "they're not really nazis" delusion.
Evening Musuko
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Don't worry about the scholars, they'll be distinct when it's necessary.
Hell, they already do that so I'm not sure what's the problem.
QuantumZebra
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Considering 41% think humans and dinosaurs co-existed...
Yea that sounds about right
Lightning_Roller
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Thank you!!!!
Ryzaki009
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Temeculan3000
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It's ok to call them Nazi's, no-one is saying "They are literally 1940s German National Socialist Party members who fought in WWII under Hitler."
I mean if someone is saying that, of course it is fine to make a distinction.
But no-one is saying that.
I mean if someone is saying that, of course it is fine to make a distinction.
But no-one is saying that.
Interesting that you should bring up religion, This is where distinctions, while perhaps a luxurious or superficial thing in such times, are important. At the beginning, Nazi party said all religions are cool (as long as they don't conflict with the state). Do U.S. white supremacists think this? Or are they positive christians? Or do they think that Jesus was not a Jew but an Ayran? Do they think Hitler is the messiah? Do they renounce the Old Testament? What about catholics? Lots of violence against Catholics.
We can go on and on and on. What about the 25 tenants of the Nazi party? Do U.S. white supremacists believe that all industry should be nationalized? Do they want roman law substituted for common law?
Again, it's not really important, but it's just weird to call these people nazis when they probably have no clue what the nazi party was all about.
Actually, now that I think about it, probably a lot of them are strung out on meth like Hitler was, lol.
Fun fact in case people forgot about this: Actual Third Reich Nazis killed lots of Christians.
RumblingRosco
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I mean, if they want to be called Nazis, I'm happy to call them Nazis. No Neo needed.
Lightning_Roller
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The trump family are the most special of snowflakes.
Labeling something for the idea it represents give it that negative connotation to the general public. Everyone can understand the context of "These people are nazis." They want white superiority, they want ethnic cleansing. We should without hesitation call them nazis every chance we get because there is power in it and it represents what they are.
We don't have time to discuss "But are they technically nazis?." An unstable baby is our president and thinks these people have valid opinions.
We don't have time to discuss "But are they technically nazis?." An unstable baby is our president and thinks these people have valid opinions.
UncleSporky
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One is ignorance, the other requires actively embracing an ideology.
I'm not ready to label 26% of the population Nazis. Of course there are actual Nazis, no technicalities involved, we've seen them, but it's not 26% of the US. Not one in four people you walk past on the street. Way more than one in four have some fucked up beliefs of some kind, but there aren't that many getting into ethnic cleansing and heiling in secret.
I mean that starts getting you into some real hardcore paranoia, looking around at your coworkers, knowing that 1/4th of them are Nazis, Nazis have infiltrated every sector of the workforce, one in four businesses are run by actual Nazis, etc.
We need to be able to recognize evil when we see it without devolving into McCarthyism.
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The events of Charlottesville are definitely very important and at the top of everyone's minds as they pay attention to what's going on in the country. That being said, we've had somewhere around 40 or 50 threads on the subject in the first 5 days since. It's taking up a lot of our space and making it hard to talk about everything else. As a result, we are locking some threads about Charlottesville, Trump's reaction, peoples' reactions, police reactions, Twitter reactions, voter reactions, confederate statues, confederate flags, the alt-right, Richard Spencer, the KKK, neo-Nazis, violence versus nonviolence against extremists, extremism, or anyone's reaction to any of these things. Feel free to discuss this topic or other related topics in one or more of the topics we leave open and continue making new threads as new events unfold so that we can migrate discussion to the most recent and up-to-date threads.
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