Grampa Simpson
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What's your reasoning?Rolf NB said:
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Project Cafe Rumor Cafe [Weinerpoop Post 7513]
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Grampa Simpson
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It's been confirmed that Nintendo employees read gaf. They're just not allowed to reveal themselves.Bisnic said:I wish i was working for Nintendo. I bet the few employees that read GAF(i'm sure there is some of you there!) are all laughing or thinking "this guy is right" when reading our comments.
I envy you, just so you know.
The last GAF member that was open about working for Nintendo was Gaybrush Threepio (if I remember the handle correctly), but I think he all but stopped posting after he hinted Excite Truck.
Grampa Simpson
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For the same reason that Matt Cassamassina is no longer doing podcasts. Some employers want all communication to be carefully vetted.Strive said:
Sammy Samusu
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Sadist said:
ReyVGM
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Bisnic said:I wish i was working for Nintendo. I bet the few employees that read GAF(i'm sure there is some of you there!) are all laughing or thinking "this guy is right" when reading our comments.
I envy you, just so you know.
I don't.
While it's exciting to know things beforehand, it's also boring. There is no surprise when you know stuff years in advance. And it's not like they are playing finished Wii2 products either.
I would very much rather play final games than beta ones.
bgassassin
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Amir0x said:
Amir0x said:
And I hope/believe Nintendo got "the rest of that" out of their system with the Wii. I feel they learned the hard way about the longevity of a console that was technically inferior to the others of the generation although I can understand not wanting to get into a tech battle with the others. That said I think that if it were not for Sony and MS embracing the graphical direction that PCs are on, I could easily have seen Nintendo not making that big of a leap again with Cafe.
To me it seems Iwata really underestimated how games were going to look this generation. His "you will say wow" comment confirms that for me. However when looking at some of the rumors I agree that they seem to get it. Even with the Wii's success I can't see the problems they are now facing with the Wii being repeated. I cannot grasp the idea that the console will be at or just above PS360 level. I think they will take more input from third parties in what they would like to see in a console and some of the problems they had with the previous gen consoles.
We've seen Nintendo's trends as a late adopter for things. HD being one and a hard drive being the other. Just looking at Nintendo's thought process, they probably held off on implementing HDD use due to piracy issues, cost to the consumer (which they had been overprotective to a fault about), and the concern of their console becoming too much like a PC or like their competitors. I base the latter on past Miyamoto comments on their consoles. Thankfully Iwata is not painfully stubborn like Yamauchi was and has been good, although slow at times, about adapting to conditions at hand. I think once they get past the issues I listed, whether from ideas they have come up with or just accepting reality (rumored console prices are a start), we'll see HDD usage from Nintendo and I can see it being this generation.
Nintendo's attempt to be different from the competition with the Wii seemed to be just them going to an extreme. We see this a lot in other things where there is an attempt to be different from your past and the direction taken is the extreme opposite of the previous direction. Nintendo could have achieved the necessary difference with the motion control and still released a near Xbox360-level console for somewhere between $299-$349. This would have been cheaper than the other two consoles at launch, people would have eaten it up because of the controller, and they wouldn't have been alienated to the level they were with third-parties. I believe they've learned from going through that "rubber band effect" and are now returning to an acceptable middle ground.
Now as for what some others have said in this thread and others, I cannot agree that a Sony or MS console released in the next two years will be a big jump over Cafe. We'll never see another 599 US Dollars incident again. Sony almost pulled a Jiro Nishi with that one (although Square is probably more comparable to Jiro, haha) and right now I don't think we'll be seeing a console over $499 for awhile, and even that amount is pushing it. I don't think consumers in general are ready to embrace $500+ consoles, with the mindset of consoles "only" doing one thing and current global economic problems.
The way I see it in terms of hardware, Nintendo at worst will be the next gen's PS2 of the PS2/GC/XBox era.
A) 5 year lifespans are normal. MS and Sony are extending theirs because of the billions that they bled releasing their consoles. They will not make the same mistake next gen, I don't think.
B) Thinking that Nintendo releasing something around $300 would've given the DVD-ROM sized Wii hardware near the 360's level is near-delusional. Nintendo has always sold at or very close to a profit at launch. The 360 and PS3 were losing hundreds upon their releases at $300 and $600 respectively, for the hardware they have.
C) Revisionism doesn't work. Had the Wii not been exactly what it was (cheap, small, quiet, motion controls) it wouldn't have had the same results (i.e. nearly 90 million sold).
B) Thinking that Nintendo releasing something around $300 would've given the DVD-ROM sized Wii hardware near the 360's level is near-delusional. Nintendo has always sold at or very close to a profit at launch. The 360 and PS3 were losing hundreds upon their releases at $300 and $600 respectively, for the hardware they have.
C) Revisionism doesn't work. Had the Wii not been exactly what it was (cheap, small, quiet, motion controls) it wouldn't have had the same results (i.e. nearly 90 million sold).
StevieP said:
How can this be when the hardware that the 360 and PS3 have, excluding the blu-ray player of the PS3, are comparable to very weak PCs with parts that are no longer even sold anymore. A vastly more powerful PC can be had (assuming you assemble the tower together yourself and purchase components from the right places) for under a thousand dollars. A very powerful PC gaming rig can be built for 600$ and it would be immeasurably more powerful than either the hardware of the Xbox 360 or PS3.
bgassassin
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StevieP said:
I'm assuming this is in response to me since you added another point.
A)I don't how that relates to what I posted.
B)First off even you couldn't say it's completely delusional. And the basis of that idea wasn't designed to look at Nintendo's view about hardware profitability. However since you want to look at it from that route MS lost $126 per console on their Premium Pack. And that's due in part to the stuff that was included with the console. You mean to tell me that Nintendo couldn't have developed a near 360-level console at the price range I listed and still be cost effective? Nintendo wouldn't have lumped all that extra stuff in like MS did for starters. Nintendo's focus on efficiency would have also made a difference. If anyone could have pulled if off, it would have been Nintendo. This goes back to the extreme change in direction I mentioned.
And last I checked the 360 is DVD-based too.
C) But that's just it. Me saying it could work is as accurate as you saying it wouldn't. Did you forget how much Wii's were selling for on Ebay at launch? And then like with all consoles prices come down.
Graphics Horse
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Hiro said:
How big would it have been?
See the Logical Increments PC Buying Guide @ http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png
DeathbyVolcano
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Pyrokai said:This is what we're all hoping for. Best not to expect it, though. This way you can't be let down!
I'm personally expecting the same situation as the Wii
A lot of sources seem to be indicating this, though.
lunchwithyuzo
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Wii was based off late 90s (ie: 7+ year old) tech when it released, this pretty clearly isn't going to be the result with Cafe. The best relative comparison hardware wise would probably be something like NES, TG16 or Dreamcast, a "first mover" platform that could've generally kept pace technologically if the market end provided.Pyrokai said:This is what we're all hoping for. Best not to expect it, though. This way you can't be let down!
I'm personally expecting the same situation as the Wii
bgassassin
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Pyrokai said:This is what we're all hoping for. Best not to expect it, though. This way you can't be let down!
I'm personally expecting the same situation as the Wii
LOL. Like I said, that's "at worst" for me so I'm setting myself up bigger disappointment than others.
comedy bomb
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Anyone have a list of games releasing for the 360/PS3 in 2012? Might give us a possible look at potential early Cafe games.
Graphics Horse
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comedy bomb said:
Not sure how accurate these are, scroll down for the undated ones.
http://www.eurogamer.net/releases.php?platform=xbox360&page=next
http://www.eurogamer.net/releases.php?platform=ps3&page=next
Smiles and Cries
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comedy bomb said:
this is a good idea, but we would know most of them as fact after E3 anyway
hopefully Nintendo does not give this thing a 3DS launch with 3rd Party only games at launch
Father_Brain
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Sadist said:
Nearly every multiplatform HD game releasing in Q2 of next year* or later, from every publisher, should be getting a Cafe version. If not, Nintendo is doing something seriously wrong.
*Assuming that Cafe is actually launching in Q2 2012, which I'm guessing is Nintendo's current target based on their decision to reveal the system in playable form at this E3. Late ports definitely won't sell, and publishers probably shouldn't bother.
It would be funny if the Wii was considered a stopgap all along for Cafe- basically an experiment taylored to new gamers while they perfect their next gen stuff.lunchwithyuzo said:
Nintendo seems bent on innovation more than anything else since it allows them to reinvent their franchises.
AceBandage
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I don't care about Multiplats.
I just want Suda to announce NMH3 for this thing in the same manner as he did the original.
I just want Suda to announce NMH3 for this thing in the same manner as he did the original.
GANGSTERKILLER
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What will the game that will show the capabilities of Nintendo's "Project Café" at E3 2011? A new Mario, Zelda, Metroid? Can't wait to see!
AceBandage
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GANGSTERKILLER said:
Smash Bros.
1. It'll show off how all the franchises look in HD on powerful hardware.
2. It'll have a lot of graphical stuff going on all at once.
3. It can showcase their new online structure.
Yeah, logically that should happen, but what makes me wonder are comments like this.Father_Brain said:
Source: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...pond-to-nintendo-hd-news.aspx?PostPageIndex=1Game Informer said:
If Irrational had a game in development for the Cafe, why on earth would they be trashing it?
Given that BioShock Infinite is a 2012 title and Take-Two almost always misses their dates, this is really a game that should have been heavily considered for the platform.
Smiles and Cries
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who were the software publishers not so quietly bitching and asking for new gen hardware last year? (before all of this cafe stuff)
Grampa Simpson
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Irrational Games. What a fitting name.Nirolak said:
GANGSTERKILLER
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AceBandage said:
Sounds like music to my ears...
lunchwithyuzo
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I think old "landmark" ports would still do well, especially if it bundles multiple titles. So say something like a COD Modern Warfare 1 & 2 in the US, or a Final Fantasy XIII + XIII-2 in Japan. Even lower tier enhanced ports might do okay depending on the franchise and region (Tales of Xillia f? Super MVC3?).Father_Brain said:
Father_Brain
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Nirolak said:
Saw that; it's definitely not an encouraging quote. Since the game is probably a year or so off (at least) it's not a foregone conclusion that it won't get a Cafe version. But the onus is ultimately on Nintendo to improve their relations with Western third parties, and if they're not up to the task, well... Cafe will probably meet the fate it deserves, at least with the Western HD/core audience.
AceBandage
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Father_Brain said:
Oh what a loss.
Now we'll only get the major FPS games instead of all the FPS games.
I don't quite get that Gerritson quote.
He wants Nintendo to focus on the kind of games his company makes?
That seems like a very strange statement to me.
I would think that a lot of overlap with Nintendo would hurt more than help.
But it seems as if many developers view the platforms owner's games as the ones that should be imitated.
He wants Nintendo to focus on the kind of games his company makes?
That seems like a very strange statement to me.
I would think that a lot of overlap with Nintendo would hurt more than help.
But it seems as if many developers view the platforms owner's games as the ones that should be imitated.
AceBandage
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Diffense said:
Nintendo makes WiiSports: Well obviously Nintendo doesn't want our games!
Nintendo makes Killshitbrowngreyshootenfuckyouup: Well, we can't compete with Nintendo!
lunchwithyuzo
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I think Irrational would be one of the better prestige studios to court on Nintendo's part. That should really be their strategy, get studios like Irrational, Valve, Bethesda, Rockstar North, Rockstar San Diego, Bioware, Ubi Montpellier, Volition and so on excited about their system. My worry with Iwata is that when he talks about working with "western developers" it's really code for talking to the big publishers on an overall level, who are going to invariably dump their general audience stuff on the system regardless.Father_Brain said:
The notable thing here is that he doesn't think Nintendo is dedicated to the audience Irrational's games appeal to, meaning that they haven't communicated the message that they're serious about Western core games to third parties.Hiro said:
That should concern Nintendo. His position is definitely reasonable, so Nintendo should be working hard to address that.
Smiles and Cries
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Nirolak said:
Maybe they have a right to worry Nintendo never follows Sony and Microsoft's path in business and target market. I can see some 3rd parties staying clear of Nintendo platforms no matter how strong it is for fear of competing with Nintendo software directly.
But that being said if Nintendo gave them a powerful enough hardware to do whatever they normally do on PS3 or 360, why the fuss?
Nintendo can take the Cafe in one direction while 3rd Parties just port the same old stuff, all they need to understand is the stuff they are porting may or may not sell on Cafe depending on their own efforts. They don't have to try and fall back on putting the blame on Nintendo when they fail.
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