perfectchaos007
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fernoca said:Plus Guiter Hero III and Mario & Sonic Olympics should be on the third-party million seller -Wii list too...
I thought that was Nintendo using Sega characters. But was it Sega using Nintendo characters?
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NPD Sales Results for November 2007
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I thought that was Nintendo using Sega characters. But was it Sega using Nintendo characters?
mckmas8808
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harSon said:Yeah, that certainly seems to be the case
But devs will always need to make HD next gen games. In that sense the Wii will not take development from HD videogames.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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harSon said:
In other words, the 360 is still the best bet for western gamers who game often.
Surprising good software sales for PS3 in the US. Great SMG sales, great COD4/AC sales as well. 360 dominates software as expected of it. Uncharted not doing that well is disappointing.
Hardware numbers are hardly surprising but PS2 outselling PS3 is still lolzo. PS3 doing decent for itself, at least it's pacing the 360 from last year (even though 360 was 511K last year same time). Wii not selling 1 million+ is surprising to me but that's still quite an impressive number. DS does ridiculous as expected. 360 numbers also expected.
These are good numbers for all 3 companies and shows that this generation is a fairly interesting competition. Next year should be a tighter race for all 3 competitors.
Hardware numbers are hardly surprising but PS2 outselling PS3 is still lolzo. PS3 doing decent for itself, at least it's pacing the 360 from last year (even though 360 was 511K last year same time). Wii not selling 1 million+ is surprising to me but that's still quite an impressive number. DS does ridiculous as expected. 360 numbers also expected.
These are good numbers for all 3 companies and shows that this generation is a fairly interesting competition. Next year should be a tighter race for all 3 competitors.
Meier said:
I agree with this.
Also, this may have been posted, but I couldn't be bothered looking through 50 pages or whatever. Anyway, do we have the numbers on the percentages of software sold for each platform? I'd like to see how it matches up to the userbase percentages.
AltogetherAndrews
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beelzebozo said:
I really don't think it has to be spectacular. I'm going to avoid going on another hate rant here, but recent sales record certainly proves that much. All it needs to do is remain easily marketable, as they already have that covered with iconic characters and a unique and dazzling presentation, and it will sell. I'm the last person to place faith in Guerrilla, but this is a certain hit irrespective of consistency and quality.
Piper Az said:
If I had to guess, I would say that in a year when everything has basically shaken out it will go like this: Western development will have plenty of 360/PS3 projects with 360 leading or being a timed exclusive. I also expect more quality Wii support, but more in terms of original off beat IP's as opposed to FPS. In Japan I see Wii getting the vast amount of support with PS3 and 360 sharing a few graphics intensive exclusives and never letting Wii gain a real monopoly (specifically SE which seems to have an aversion to the Wii right now).
mckmas8808 said:
Ratchet and Uncharted had great marketing.
I open the latest EGM and Uncharted has a four page fold-out ad. Both games had pre-release demos, commercials, internet banners and magazine ads, and had tons of "Making of" /video documentary features released on the internet before the games came out. I'm not sure what else could have been done.
Loudninja said:
Tiny Toon Adventures: Dizzy's Candy Quest, (GBC, 2001)
Rhino Rumble, (GBC, 2002)
Black Belt Challenge, (GBA, 2002)
Invader, (GBA, 2002)
Killzone, (PS2, 2004)
Shellshock: Nam '67, (PS2, XBox, PC, 2004)
Killzone: Liberation, (PSP, 2006)
Games dev'd by GG
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Thats not the library of a proven developer
Segata Sanshiro
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SEGA published in NA. Nintendo published in Japan. I'm not sure who the publisher is for EU, but I think it's SEGA.perfectchaos007 said:
AltogetherAndrews said:
March 2005 to December 2007, two years and fucking 9 months to make a PS3 game that would have helped the PS3 immensely, a platform that they will definitely need to peddle their games on down the line, but they wanted to fucking cash it in and tell early adopters to fuck off.
beelzebozo
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AltogetherAndrews said:
yeah, i see what you mean. particularly the first bit--insert coughs with an interstitial "wii play"
pooteeweet
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Fight Night Round 3 broke a million too, I believe.
AltogetherAndrews
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Piper Az said:
Lead platform isn't necessarily determined based on sales though. As said, if it's more efficient to develop for one and then port to the other, then that's the way to go. Now, it could certainly play a part in how much effort developers put into taking advantage of features exclusive to one system, but this idea that sales data dictates lead platform seems off to me.
A month of wow for sure. Looking at my friends list out of the 100 I have over 50 of them have played COD 4 ranked online for 360. That 1.5 million number on the 360 alone isn't that shocking, and I bought my copy in December so it didn't even count for this NPD.
Rockband 360...300k? People are willing to plunk down $170 for it?
For those wondering where Guitar Hero 3 on the 360 is......Rockband says hi, Mass Effect, COD 4, Assassins Creed, and Halo 3. The 360 just has too many games out, and I'm sure Guitar Hero 3 didn't do poorly on the 360 but the Wii didn't have many other big titles competing for $$$ so I'm not shocked the Wii version outsold the 360 version.
It's just crazy how good the software is moving, did everyone win the lottery or what?
Rockband 360...300k? People are willing to plunk down $170 for it?
For those wondering where Guitar Hero 3 on the 360 is......Rockband says hi, Mass Effect, COD 4, Assassins Creed, and Halo 3. The 360 just has too many games out, and I'm sure Guitar Hero 3 didn't do poorly on the 360 but the Wii didn't have many other big titles competing for $$$ so I'm not shocked the Wii version outsold the 360 version.
It's just crazy how good the software is moving, did everyone win the lottery or what?
perfectchaos007
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Segata Sanshiro said:
haha. So in Japan it is first party and in the US it is third party. lol
Gary Whitta
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Impossible to know the real sales on both those titles as they were also available via Steam which does not make numbers available.Sanjay said:
papelnabangka
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Alot of the previous PS2 million sellers are selling a tenth up to a fifth of thier former selves on the PS3. Granted, KZ2 has alot more hype going for it.tegdf said:
KyanMehwulfe
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Yeah. I think Burnout Paradise may change that around a bit.AltogetherAndrews said:
We've seen going 360 -> PS3 has been horrible at times in the past. So if BO Paradise going PS3 to 360 puts out 2 superb versions, and it's efficenent, I wouldn't be surprised to see more PS3 lead platform games. Big "if" on efficency, though; it may still just be easier and cheaper for a lot of mid-ground games to go 360/PC and a cheap port to PS3 for a while yet. Hard to say.
i see a trend here. this is a problem that most of these games are of the general "brown is realistic in the west" category. if this is where the 360's success is, then there is a serious problem for devs in Japan and developers of software outside of this area of art direction. with rising dev costs, less than 1million units wont cut it. this is where i see the Wii becoming big. devs will takes more risks with this system. just look at that recently announced N/B RPG Fragile. they are putting their top not-tales teams on this game, but it's not an established franchise, nor is it a quick cash-in. they contracted Miyazaki's composer for Christ's sake. this is a unique, high talent game that has a very unmainstream approach and all things considered is a risk. however, it's a risk they can take because they don't need to invest as much in due to SD graphics and by extention receive a solid ROI even if the game sells less than a half-million.harSon said:
the Wii is the best platform for high risk titles that don't make more than a million in sales but are darlings on GAF. in spite of the poor sales, Capcom is rumored to have another Zack and Wiki game coming out, that would not happen if a similar thing happened with a 360 game like Lost Planet or Dead Rising.
this industry is driven by ROI, not only pure game sales, but how much profit can be made on those games. if a game costs a company $30million to make for the 360 and they manage to sell a million units, they would have made more if they had invested $10million in a Wii game, even if only sold half of what the 360 game did. don't give me the whole "Wii audience" line, because it's simply not true with games like RE4 Wii, RE:UC, Super Paper Mario, FE, GHIII. theres the same kind of audience there that eat up 360 games and then some. you want games with international appeal, the Wii is just as good.
AltogetherAndrews
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Gary Whitta said:
I'm pretty sure neither Crysis nor UT3 are available on Steam, dude.
mckmas8808
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Sean said:
And the games are just as COD4 and AC. I don't get it.
Golden Darkness
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Slavik81 said:
There are those developers who feel they must have all the power they can get in order to truly express themselves.
jgwhiteus said:
I agree - I've always thought that the 'shovelware' that gets pushed isn't really shovelware as licenses and big brands are attached to titles like HSM. The console/handheld that gets these things is usually going to 'win'. That said, perception counts a lot and even if Sony brings out all the Buzzes and Singstars out, people will still think the PS3's a premium system and that they should get a second job to afford it. Nintendo's always been more of a budget/family company which is reflected in its products and its success is deserved.
AltogetherAndrews
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papelnabangka said:
And it's a marketing dream. Great iconic characters and enemies, incredible symbolism, and the war concept sells itself. If Sony somehow manages to screw up the marketing of Killzone 2, then good grief.
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Golden Darkness said:
They are called "good developers".
o snap
Gary Whitta
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The question was, why are there no numbers for PC COD4 and Orange Box.AltogetherAndrews said:
AltogetherAndrews said:
hmm, in last gen, the PS2 was more difficult to program for, but it was the primary console for developers due to its dominance in installed base - then they ported games to the Xbox. Rarely, it was the other way around. It just happens to be in this gen that the 360 is easier to program for than the PS3...my 2 cents.
AltogetherAndrews
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Gary Whitta said:
Doh
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HK-47 said:
Yes, it did.
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The Darkness is probably a decent indication of what a game that gets such things right can sell without really even trying.AltogetherAndrews said: