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PC-Age: Can't keep that framerate up? Don't lower your settings, cap your framerate!
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AgentOtaku said:
Because you can't? If the real frame rate is 25, you cannot lock it at 30. With sync on (which is what this whole convoluted post is about really) you can only have integer divisions of 60Hz. So 60, 30, 20, 15, 12, etc.
So what you are really saying is if you are getting 30-45, sync it so that it's 30 with no tearing.
The problem is you are trading a lower frame rate for better IQ. Fair enough, but this isn't novel.
brain_stew
Member
Lince said:
You'd have to be running integrated graphics for that.
DeadGzuz said:
Triple buffering is the best of both worlds, and can be forced in 90%+ games by using D3DOerrider (packed with RivaTuner).
Quick question that kinda applies to the topic but don't want to start a new thread about it.
my specs are:
ATI HD4870
Q6600 2.4ghz
4gb ram
Vista 64
I just got Neverwinter nights 2 and I struggle to get it above 30fps even on medium settings and I play crysis on high and get 40fps and far cry 2 on very high at 50 - 60fps, what the hell? this game is rather old now and it dips below 25? Is there a fix for it (yes I will try cap it but I mean a patch fix)? it's stupid that a game 2 years old plays worse than a game that came out last week :lol
my specs are:
ATI HD4870
Q6600 2.4ghz
4gb ram
Vista 64
I just got Neverwinter nights 2 and I struggle to get it above 30fps even on medium settings and I play crysis on high and get 40fps and far cry 2 on very high at 50 - 60fps, what the hell? this game is rather old now and it dips below 25? Is there a fix for it (yes I will try cap it but I mean a patch fix)? it's stupid that a game 2 years old plays worse than a game that came out last week :lol
AgentOtaku
Member
Deathcraze said:
holy shit! ...thanks mate!
AgentOtaku
Member
DeadGzuz said:
Um ...I wasn't really talking about enabling Vsync ...I was simply talking about limiting your framerate ...Vsync still being off and there is still tearing. At least in my circumstances
starskyj said:
well it takes some times but after some research I found a tool to cap every DX9 / OpenGL game at the desired framerate (no DX10 yet sorry)
first you have to download this tool (I'm not sure if this is legal or what, seems freeware to me so mods do what you want)
http://rapidshare.com/files/160642187/FPS_Limiter_0.2.rar
extract the content to a folder and run FPS_Limiter_GUI (you must have Java enabled)
it looks like this
you just need to point to the path where the game executable is located and select the desired framerate, note it defaults to DX9 applications. Click on "create bat" and there you go, you should have now in the folder a direct access to the game limited to the desired framerate.
result: http://rapidshare.com/files/160661014/LP30FPS.mp4
that was a small video of Lost Planet with maximum settings and 8xAA/16xAF capped at 30fps running on my modest PC, it runs silky smooth at a never faltering 30 fps. The best part is both the CPU and the GPU workload is reduced and so is the power consumption, triple win.
and now Fallout 3: http://rapidshare.com/files/160661015/FO330FPS.mp4
with Fallout 3 you just repeat the process and then change the variable iFPSClamp=0 in Fallout.ini to iFPSClamp=30
this is how I got the game to run in ultra settings with 4xAA/8xAF at rock solid 30fps and said goodbye to the hiccups. Hope this helps.
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i think every game should be locked at 30fps. anything higher is TOO smooth to me, makes me nauseous.
For Fallout 3, I'm pretty sure what I did to solve the micro-studder problem I had is what caps the framerate:
Go into C -> Users -> (Your User name) -> Documents -> My Games -> Fallout 3 -> FALLOUT.ini
Edit the part that says "iFPSClamp" and set it equal to whatever you want your FPS to be. For me, at any value besides 60, it screws up the pacing of the game.
Go into C -> Users -> (Your User name) -> Documents -> My Games -> Fallout 3 -> FALLOUT.ini
Edit the part that says "iFPSClamp" and set it equal to whatever you want your FPS to be. For me, at any value besides 60, it screws up the pacing of the game.
Lince said:well it takes some times but after some research I found a tool to cap every DX9 / OpenGL game at the desired framerate (no DX10 yet sorry)
first you have to download this tool (I'm not sure if this is legal or what, seems freeware to me so mods do what you want)
http://rapidshare.com/files/160642187/FPS_Limiter_0.2.rar
extract the content to a folder and run FPS_Limiter_GUI (you must have Java enabled)
it looks like this
you just need to point to the path where the game executable is located and select the desired framerate, note it defaults to DX9 applications. Click on "create bat" and there you go, you should have now in the folder a direct access to the game limited to the desired framerate.
result: http://rapidshare.com/files/160661014/LP30FPS.mp4
that was a small video of Lost Planet with maximum settings and 8xAA/16xAF capped at 30fps running on my modest PC, it runs silky smooth at a never faltering 30 fps. The best part is both the CPU and the GPU workload is reduced and so is the power consumption, triple win.
and now Fallout 3: http://rapidshare.com/files/160661015/FO330FPS.mp4
with Fallout 3 you just repeat the process and then change the variable iFPSClamp=0 in Fallout.ini to iFPSClamp=30
this is how I got the game to run in ultra settings with 4xAA/8xAF at rock solid 30fps and said goodbye to the hiccups. Hope this helps.
Are there any other links than Rapidshare? I'm using a shared connection so Rapid (or Megaupload) is a *big* hassle to me. Thanks.
MWS Natural
Member
Yesss...their assimilation is nearly complete! MUAHHAHAA
AgentOtaku
Member
Holy shit! ....thanks Lince! ....can't wait to try the app!
So, explain this please.
If if I'm getting max FPS in the 60's and say hitting rock bottom once in a while at 25, does capping the framerate at 30 actually help improve performance and gets rid of the dip to 25?
Also, how does v-sync know to lock the framerate to 60 or 30?
If if I'm getting max FPS in the 60's and say hitting rock bottom once in a while at 25, does capping the framerate at 30 actually help improve performance and gets rid of the dip to 25?
Also, how does v-sync know to lock the framerate to 60 or 30?
chespace said:
No, but it makes the dips far less noticeable. Dropping 5 frames is a far cry from dropping 35+.
Chespace said:
V-Sync syncronizes the games refresh rate with your monitor. So in other words if your monitors refresh rate is is 60hz (standard for an LCD) then your framerate with V-Sync enabled will be forced to some multiple of that (60, 30, 15). So say your playing your game at 60 FPS and get a minor dip, even to say 58 fps, V-Sync will dive your framerate down to 30 to keep the image clean. Shutting off V-Sync will give you a "true" framerate in that it will only dip to 58, but that is when you get tearing.
AgentOtaku
Member
chespace said:
Like Sinatar said ....far more tolerable to see a game dip 5fps as opposed to 30fps
As stated before, this has a tremendous effect for Far Cry 2 and Crysis/Warhead which averages between 30-45 anyways, rarely holding +60
AgentOtaku
Member
HOOOLLY FUUUCKING SHIT IT WORKS! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
EDIT: added tool to OP!
EDIT: added tool to OP!
Euh.. I tried the Fallout trick and my Fallout started playing like Quake 3 on speed. It was awesome. :lol
I changed the value back to 0 (and then to 60) and it went back to normal (capping at 60 fps).
I tried with both vsync on and off (and triple buffering on/off from the nvidia control panel) but no change.. weird
Then I tried the Crysis command.. Unrecognized in the console and not working in system.cfg
I changed the value back to 0 (and then to 60) and it went back to normal (capping at 60 fps).
I tried with both vsync on and off (and triple buffering on/off from the nvidia control panel) but no change.. weird
Then I tried the Crysis command.. Unrecognized in the console and not working in system.cfg
brain_stew
Member
careful said:Euh.. I tried the Fallout trick and my Fallout started playing like Quake 3 on speed. It was awesome. :lol
I changed the value back to 0 (and then to 60) and it went back to normal (capping at 60 fps).
I tried with both vsync on and off (and triple buffering on/off from the nvidia control panel) but no change.. weird
Then I tried the Crysis command.. Unrecognized in the console and not working in system.cfg
The Nvidia driver setting for triple buffering only affects OpenGL games. You ned to use D3D Overrider which comes as part of RivaTuner. One of the most essential downloads for a PC gamer imo, far too many games forgoe the option for triple buffering.
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Yes, what was that? Are you guys sure the value is 30?careful said:Euh.. I tried the Fallout trick and my Fallout started playing like Quake 3 on speed. It was awesome. :lol I changed the value back to 0 (and then to 60) and it went back to normal (capping at 60 fps).
I tried with both vsync on and off (and triple buffering on/off from the nvidia control panel) but no change.. weird
Then I tried the Crysis command.. Unrecognized in the console and not working in system.cfg
AgentOtaku
Member
careful said:Euh.. I tried the Fallout trick and my Fallout started playing like Quake 3 on speed. It was awesome. :lol
I changed the value back to 0 (and then to 60) and it went back to normal (capping at 60 fps).
I tried with both vsync on and off (and triple buffering on/off from the nvidia control panel) but no change.. weird
Then I tried the Crysis command.. Unrecognized in the console and not working in system.cfg
the Crysis console command is actually in the OP ...don't need to use this tool
BrodiemanTTR
Member
I'll ask my friend if I can try this next time I play Fallout on his PC. He's got everything jacked way up and it looks real nice but damn it stutters and dips a lot.
neight said:
Java is only needed for the interface to create the bat file.... this is, 5 seconds, you can do the bat files yourself with fpslimiter.exe that I've found doesn't use any memory/CPU at all in the taskbar while it's running limiting the framerate of a certain game...
for Fallout 3 the bat file looks like this:
start C:\"FPSLIMITER\"FPS_Limiter.exe /r: D3D9 /f:30 /x:OFF /l:OFF "C:\Games\Fallout 3\Fallout3.exe
there is no space between the r: and D3D9, I put one so it won't show the
iconcreate a txt file in the folder where fpslimiter is located, then insert the line (change it to your fpslimiter/game paths) and save as a .bat file, launch it and there you go, no need of Java.
edit: don't forget to change iFPSClamp=0 in Fallout.ini to iFPSClamp=30 if you're limiting to 30 fps.
AgentOtaku
Member
Lince said:
Pretty nuts too as Vsync is enabled on Fallout3 but the mouselag is entirely gone when it's capped at 30fps
No seriously Lince....THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!
AgentOtaku said:Pretty nuts too as Vsync is enabled on Fallout3 but the mouselag is entirely gone when it's capped at 30fps
No seriously Lince....THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!
you're welcome, it's really a pretty neat tool and seems to work flawlessly with every DX9 game I've tried so far... ATI/Nvidia should implement something like this in their control panel, I mean, with my modest PC I can run Lost Planet with maximum settings and AA/AF 1360x768 (HDTV) but the framerate would fluctuate from 35 to 140 fps and the Q6600/9800GTX+ posting a high load... guess what, I'd rather use the fpslimiter and make it a much smoother experience similar to consoles in framerate but with best graphics while saving money and keeping my hardware cooler.
two quick dirty pics, note the CPU usage is down to 1/3, the tool is working as intended and you get more CPU cycles to turn up the detail settings or run applications in background.
without fpslimiter... 56% CPU
www.telefonica.net/web2/dgu/lostplanet.jpg
with fpslimiter... 15% CPU
www.telefonica.net/web2/dgu/lostplanet30fps.jpg
AgentOtaku
Member
Lince said:
what the hell? ....that's awesome! ...I gotta try that on some shit!
brain_stew said:
OMG the piece of the puzzle that I was missing! I could never figure out, for the life of me, why some of my games were forcing Triple Buffering when I set it to off in the control panel. Triple Buffering really annoys me in first person shooters, since it adds way too much input lag.
AgentOtaku
Member
Looks like the gui is a hit on The Fallout 3 PC issues board
AgentOtaku said:
wonder why developers don't bother to include a simple fps cap option somewhere within the thousand graphical settings... a lot of people hate stuttering and crazy fluctuating framerate, I'm glad my little research definitely helped!
and don't forget it's a "green" tool, save the planet!
bloodforge
Member
Ok weird, I limited Fallout 3 to 30 by changing the variable in the ini file(changing iFPSClamp=0 to 30) and now the game acts like its running in hyper mode.
That setting has an impact on the speed of the game, not just framerate. If you set it to 30 fps you will literally double the speed of everything. It simply won't work like that.bloodforge said:
FO3 is a unique case as that iFPSClamp setting WILL solve the stuttering issue *IF* your PC is up to the task. Fortunately, my GTX260 has no trouble running FO3 at the highest level of detail at 60 fps. I'm using 1360x768 + 4x AA + 16x AF with max details (well, mostly max) and I haven't hit a single framerate drop throughout the ten or so hours I've played. It runs beautifully.
I tried this setting on a slower PC (8800GT), however, and it could not hold 60 fps the entire time and would end up running in slow motion when the framerate dropped below 60.
So, either set the fps clamp to 60 or 0. If you can hold 60 fps use it the 60 setting, but if your PC is incapable of doing so you will likely have to either live with the stuttering or figure out how to use that tool posted above.
