9700 Pro was a $300 card. I think that is a large part of what made it so special. The 7970, according to the more current rumors will be $500.
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Radeon HD 7900 Launch set for December 22nd, 2011 - R1000 | Tahiti | GCN
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9700 Pro was a $300 card. I think that is a large part of what made it so special. The 7970, according to the more current rumors will be $500.
Same plans here, but probably not as late as May. More like whenever Ivy Bridge comes out.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I think the 5850 is already there. It launched for $250 over two years ago and when people see it on minimum system requirements they complain they're too high. That thing will be viable all the way through 2012 and probably 2013 as well.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I hoped so, but I think with all the noise mine is making I'll end up replacing it sooner than planned.
Hopefully when I actually get around to verifying that it IS my GPU fan I'll discover I'm wrong, and my 5850 can last me at least to 2013.
specialguy
Banned
1080P but honestly what worries me about 580 going forward is the only 1.5GB VRAM. Same issue with the new 560 TI, a $300 card with only 1280MB RAM? BF3 already uses 1.4GB VRAM at highest setting according to creators so you're just barely scraping by already @1080P. That's with your $1000+ worth of hardware so it's doubly onerous to even be a question.
AMD is in a much better position there. 2GB AMD cards are plentiful, Nvidia is stuck in this weird in between land of odd RAM sizes. They could rectify that by making a push for 2.5GB 570's and 3GB 580's, but they havent, those arent available at decent prices.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Contrary to popular belief, BF3 isn't really using up as much VRAM as they think. It seems that DICE uses the extra VRAM for 'caching' purposes, which is very smart and efficient. But I run Ultra textures + 4x MSAA @ 1080p and MSI Afterburner says it's using the same amount of VRAM as it does without 4x MSAA. So I'm guessing it dynamically allocates it? Not running into RAM swapping issues due to overusage, either.
I just realized I bought this PC when the HD5850 came out, i7+5850 combo runs pretty much everything I throw at it still, at max.
That seems like a pretty fair complaint, though. If I buy a $200 card and 2 years later it can't even make the minimum system requirements, that's a problem.
Their slide is supposedly old. 7970 will have <900mhz GPU clock.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Interestingly enough, 7970/7950 should hit 1 Ghz, even 1.1 Ghz with little to no effort and maybe a minor voltage bump.
I fully expect some of the more hardcore guys (hi XtremeSystems!) to hit 1.2-1.3 Ghz core clocks, maybe on air, probably on water. The 6950/6970 already OC really well, the jump to 28nm is going to allow (voltage willing) some incredible OC's on stock cooling.
I just kinda wish the RAM speeds were higher, but that huge 384-bit memory bus will allow for more bandwidth than we've ever had before. I just hope it's enough, as even current cards can be memory bandwidth starved in most games. I know my GTX 570 is. Oddly enough, in some games raising memory speeds does more for performance than raising core clocks does! There's a common misconception that 'raising memory clocks does nothing for performance.'
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
fuck this shit to the stratosphere, my 6990 is like, two months old
you sound surprised, and I don't know why. the 6990 has been out for like 10+ months, it's your fault buying this late into the cycle. It's been widely reported that new cards were coming around Dec - Jan.
I always buy new GPUs around launch and I don't feel burned when the next thing rolls around.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
..I'm not surprised, I'm mostly cynically kidding. I know I'll buy one of them but seriously, even one year between cards is a pretty short timespan if you ask me
It's pretty much average. And it's not like your 6990 won't play every game in high-to-ultra settings for the next few years.
Ah, ok. I guess it is a short time span, personally I'm glad though because I can never have enough GPU power at 2560x1600. Always feels like I need more
Still waiting for the day when I can max Crysis 60FPS on a single GPU.
Fallout-NL
Member
Yeah... why would you do that?
4 years later and we still can't do it?
Gully State
Member
I get the feeling that minimum reqs are a lot more conservative these days than in years past..
Nope. Guessing the 79xx series will be able to do it at 1080p, though, based on the rumored specs.
It was a $399 card, which almost 10 years ago was today's $699.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Ah, ok. I guess it is a short time span, personally I'm glad though because I can never have enough GPU power at 2560x1600. Always feels like I need more
Still waiting for the day when I can max Crysis 60FPS on a single GPU.
I don't even think Crysis is that awesome looking now.
It's closer to 3 years between 'proper' generations, they pretty much use the tick-tock method intel uses.
Fermi was a new architecture, Keppler is speed bump and Maxwell will be the next generation in 2013.
Tallshortman
Member
Yeah, it's just poorly optimized at this point. It's still great looking but it still runs surprisingly poorly on modern hardware when you max it out.
You're right about the initial launch price (although the street price was $300 after less than 6 months), but you are way off on your inflation calculation. $400 in 2002 is about $500 today and $300 is around $375.
If I can get a 7970 for $375 by June, I'll be impressed.
AMD starts shipping of 28nm GPU's in big masses.
http://www.techpowerup.com/156831/AMD-Starts-Shipping-28-nm-GPUs-for-Revenue.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/156831/AMD-Starts-Shipping-28-nm-GPUs-for-Revenue.html
Too much is riding on this push, they aren't going to fuck it up.
specialguy
Banned
http://www.obr-hardware.com/2011/12/radeon-hd-7970-full-spec.html
Guy claims he has 7970 gaming performance numbers and they're disappointing. "Only a few percent faster than 6970 in real games not synthetic benchmarks"
He seems an real AMD hater though so I wouldn't take it too serious. The good thing is the leaks flying around even if conflicting prove the card really is near.
2048 ALU's would seem to give a good performance target imo, that's 33% more than 6970, so that might be a reasonable performance ballpark imo. Of course we have no idea what other architecture improvements are present, and even if these specs are correct although they seem to have validity.
Guy claims he has 7970 gaming performance numbers and they're disappointing. "Only a few percent faster than 6970 in real games not synthetic benchmarks"
He seems an real AMD hater though so I wouldn't take it too serious. The good thing is the leaks flying around even if conflicting prove the card really is near.
2048 ALU's would seem to give a good performance target imo, that's 33% more than 6970, so that might be a reasonable performance ballpark imo. Of course we have no idea what other architecture improvements are present, and even if these specs are correct although they seem to have validity.
How is this even possible?
specialguy
Banned
With Bulldozer, never underestimate how bad AMD's engineering can be, lol.
But seriously imo it's too early to speculate.
IMO it wouldn't even be that bad, if rumors of Nnvidia's next chip being a ways away are true, something like 33% better than 6970 wouldn't be such a bad thing, provided the card had say 6 months on the shelves without competition, it would still be pretty successful and faster than GTX580 and the undisputed king.
But seriously imo it's too early to speculate.
IMO it wouldn't even be that bad, if rumors of Nnvidia's next chip being a ways away are true, something like 33% better than 6970 wouldn't be such a bad thing, provided the card had say 6 months on the shelves without competition, it would still be pretty successful and faster than GTX580 and the undisputed king.
AMD-hating aliens.
specialguy
Banned
I would not ever count on TDP coming down lol.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "similar performance levels". I'm sure this will edge 6970 by some significant amount.
The idle power draw, under 3w, is whats really causing suspicion about that slide, but there's another
Gully State
Member
Man time really does fly. I thought my 5850 was only a year old but sure enough after checking the receipt, I've been running this thing for 2 years now with very little signs of slowing down performance wise. I think I'll wait until 8-series comes out at this point.
specialguy
Banned
More slides hot of the presses. Seem real.
The performance looks pretty good to me. Almost 2X better in Crysis 2?
Edit: although now that I think about it that's probably with tessellation enabled, where AMD was previously crippled by Nvidia dirty tessellation tricks in that game. So indeed non tessellation related performance could still be disappointing.
The performance looks pretty good to me. Almost 2X better in Crysis 2?
Edit: although now that I think about it that's probably with tessellation enabled, where AMD was previously crippled by Nvidia dirty tessellation tricks in that game. So indeed non tessellation related performance could still be disappointing.
specialguy
Banned
All slides here, a shitton of them. Total info blowout lulz.
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=slides0vka9.png
Also exciting news, 7970 launch moved up to Dec 22!!!! Nice, just one week away! Since when was a video card launch ever moved UP lol.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-bri...-series-forward-december-22nd-2011/14255.html
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=slides0vka9.png
Also exciting news, 7970 launch moved up to Dec 22!!!! Nice, just one week away! Since when was a video card launch ever moved UP lol.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-bri...-series-forward-december-22nd-2011/14255.html
Ugh.
1. MSRP of the 9700 Pro was $399 and not $300.
2. $399 was the top-tier price almost 10 years ago, now the same is $699. No where did I say it was due to inflation
3. The original poster who you were responding to, used the 9700Pro in reference that its like a 80-150% jump in performance over the previous generation. I dont think he was talking about price or even price/performance.
They say on B3D that this slide is fake.
edit - that thumbnail list of all slides have one pic simmilar to that one
EphemeralDream
Member
Is there some sort of trick to navigating abload? Everytime I go to the site I am bombarded with pop-ups and all sorts of flashy things.
Awesome, just PM'd tekno requesting to change the title of this thread
specialguy
Banned
Another interesting bit
I was just going off of the quote where someone said the gaming performance of the 7970 wasn't that much better than the 6970, and that the load TDP was +/- 200W.
But again, this is just going off that single post, I can't wait to see all of the reviews when they come out.
specialguy
Banned
Yeah it's called adblock lol. I didn't even know they existed.
The sooner it's out, the sooner the price can drop and I can get one myself.
My current build (4gb DDR2, AMD 5870 1GB, AMD 955 3.2 ghz) does latest games pretty well, but I do plan to do a big upgrade next fall.
Probably a 7980/7990, 8 gb DDR3 (too bad DDR4 pushed to 2014), and either an 8 core AMD if they can get their shit together on bulldozer, or some ivy bridge, I'll decide at the time for that.
Edit: Though I guess 7980/7990 aren't announced yet, so might still be pretty expensive by then.
My current build (4gb DDR2, AMD 5870 1GB, AMD 955 3.2 ghz) does latest games pretty well, but I do plan to do a big upgrade next fall.
Probably a 7980/7990, 8 gb DDR3 (too bad DDR4 pushed to 2014), and either an 8 core AMD if they can get their shit together on bulldozer, or some ivy bridge, I'll decide at the time for that.
Edit: Though I guess 7980/7990 aren't announced yet, so might still be pretty expensive by then.
specialguy
Banned
Nah, that was a different though similar slide they called fake. All these latest slides seem to be real.
This is the fake slide, similar but different : http://www.abload.de/img/slajd2rvkky.png