Zoe
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No, it's in the B plot.
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Final Fantasy X -Will- and FFX-2.5 plot discussion thread [Up2: Uh, um, errr, see OP]
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No, it's in the B plot.
PhantomHound
Banned
Wait...what?
I'm so confused right now.
Let me get this straight. Lady summoner didn't want her guardian/lover to become a Fayth so she fucks a male summoner to become a Fayth instead of her guardian/lover. Guardian beats the shit out of the summoner, and I assume guardian gets killed by an Al Bhed out of nowhere. Lady summoner who is a Fayth now makes her guardian/lover an unsent afterwards out of pity. Right?
PhantomHound
Banned
From what I'm reading this is what I've taken away from it... The only thing I don't understand is: Did she fuck a male summoner in exchange for his life as her summon (Y'know, hey baby you can fuck me if you become a summon... Or was it like a ritual in order to make a summon?)
I assume its the other way around, that she becomes the Fayth for the other summoner. I assume it's a ritual.
Zoe
Member
I don't think extreme cynicism is exclusive to GAF.
I just became aware of this today. I'm not sure I want another sequel.
Did Nojima really write this? Some parts were pretty bad.
I loved X. X-2 wasn't that good. X-3 should not happen if it can't be done right in my opinion. Square should not ruin the series.
Did Nojima really write this? Some parts were pretty bad.
If done right, all of this might not be too bad. It's possible that eventhough Sin is back, it's not really the main threat. There might be something larger in play. Yuna and Kurugum may know something about it and are lying to distance themselves away from the people they care about.
I loved X. X-2 wasn't that good. X-3 should not happen if it can't be done right in my opinion. Square should not ruin the series.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well, at the very least Wakka and Lulu are still married to each other right?
They're the true OTP of FFX anyways.
They're the true OTP of FFX anyways.
Well, I'd like to think the novel gave those characters somewhat valid motivations for their actions, but yes.
Motivations seem simple enough to understand. Lady summoner didn't want her man to have to go through the process of being a Fayth so she does it in his stead. Guardian pissed off probably because of a combination of that and her getting fucked by another man (even if it was only for a sacred magic self killing ritual). Dunno what the male summoner thinks. What I don't get is why she made him an unsent? While it can be perceived as an act of pity, it seems kind of cruel.
I hate Wakka and Lulu
I honestly think Wakka and Rikku would have been perfect if she had been a couple years older. The storyline of Wakka basically being racist and then accepting Rikku would have been way better than "oh you loved my bro but now you'll end up with me" was boringggg
Zoe
Member
That's where the parallels come in. The spoiler suggests that the wife and child came after he was turned into an unsent.
Infinite Justice
Member
Just read that update and
WUT
WUT
But why did they need a Fayth so badly? And does it really help all that much, now that they've lost a summoner?
And all that, plus the guardian getting killed by an Al Bhed.
I imagine at least some of it is answered in the novel. I just don't know how much nor how convincing it will all be. And when I see stuff like "Yevon and Yunalesca actually were massacring all other summoners" (whah? didn't Zanarkand need its summoners?), "Bevelle also had summoners, and Zanarkand also had machines" (... but I thought...?), "Yuna now has to make sure Tidus never finds out he's made of Pyreflies" (he always was made of Pyreflies! and he's known that for a while, too! is it more about his new "unsent"-like nature? didn't seem to bother Auron...), I don't find it particularly encouraging either...
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Yeah. WTF.
I'm seriously at a loss for words. This is all firmly way past original-material-raping fanfic territory now.
Was there always this level of batshit craziness at Square? I mean, how much goddamn filtering and whipping back in line did the long-gone yet sane people at Squaresoft have to do back in the day?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Holy fucking shit what did I just read
Agent Gibbs
Member
Thats like they got the worst fan fiction writer ever to write all that...while drunk and on drugs...
King Cobra
Banned
Wait so does this mean they are going to continue the story of FFX? Are you going to see more in a form of a game or is this just fanfic, I'm terribly confused.
Prince Vultan
Banned
No joke, I have actually read FFX fanfiction that is dramatically better than how this twisted shit sounds.
Depends on when that bit takes place. If it was during the earlier portions of the war between Zanarkand and Beville, then yeah they probably needed one badly.
Yu Yevon used the surviving populace of Zanarkand as Fayths to craft Sin since they were getting their ass handed to them by Bevelle and their machines during that war. Bevelle's main assets are their advanced technology more than their summoning techniques. I don't get why Tidus needs to remain unaware that he is made of pyreflies though, seems weird. Or how could an odd entity like Tidus could become an unsent in the first place since he's not really human.
Yeah I don't understand that either.
He was a dream in the first place, so technically he was already made of pyreflies.
Yet that cost them a summoner (and you'd want more summoners than fayths).
Yet Yevon and Yunalesca wanted to kill all summoners so they could be the only ones left.
No wonder they lost that war...
It's just that, before the novel, the idea was that the war was Zanarkand = summoners vs. Bevelle = machines, and I don't see the point in changing that (assuming it's a conscious change and not simply Nojima being forgetful). Is it beneficial to the story in any way?
In fact, it seems to me that Yevon and Yunalesca's whole Sin gambit made a lot more sense back when Zanarkand was supposed to have the monopoly on summoning. Wouldn't Bevelle knowing how these things work beforehand (instead of having to rely on Yunalesca's conveniently limited crash course in order to fight Sin, I mean) make that plan a great deal likelier to fail?
This reminds me, are unsent made of pyreflies as well? When you see certain unsent people in FFX get sent, they kind of disintegrate into individual pyreflies or pyrefly looking things that moves on to the Farplane.
In a way, they won, albeit a Pyrrhic victory. They lost Zanarkand completely but their enemy Bevelle and other lesser states all became indoctrinated under the teachings of Yevon through the fear of Sin. They even abandoned their advanced technology. They praise his name and they hold Yunalesca to an extremely high regard.
From what I'm getting from some of the spoilers of this novel, Bevelle knew a lesser form of summoning that was vastly inferior to Zanarkand's ways.
RPG_Fanatic
Member
I've ignored this thread up till now since I didn't care about adding more story to the final fantasy X universe, but decided to click after seeing the title change.
Is this real life. Is Square Enix really going to possible make a FF X-3?
At least we got some funny gifs from this.
I have to follow this news now to see where this train is headed.
Is this real life. Is Square Enix really going to possible make a FF X-3?
At least we got some funny gifs from this.
I have to follow this news now to see where this train is headed.
Which is why readers are puzzled over Tidus's new status: are things really all that different? The novel is clearly saying "yes! it's a zomg-shocking-gamechanger!" but fails to make a compelling (or even clear) argument as to how and why. Which makes Tidus's death seem pointless on top of being extremely silly, awkward, etc.
The idea was that it was plan Z though, right? They did that because they were losing, it's not like losing the war was part of the plan. Or that would be fairly ridiculous, wouldn't it?
I was under the impression that part was actually referring to post-war Bevelle... Ah, well. For minute details like that, I'll have to wait for the actual book, I think.
So, so good. In fact I would say it's the best FF when it comes to dialogue (regardless of the plot/story and the voice-acting quality at some parts).
Man, now after a few years I really learned to love FFXII's stellar cutscene direction and cinematography. Extremely happy to hear that Jun Akiyama works on FFXV, too
PhantomHound
Banned
No article has been written about it yet, other than that they want to do an X-3. I wouldn't expect an article out of a novel/audio drama... They probably aren't invested into the story like us anyway, so they wouldn't know what they're talking about.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I would agree with you, but SE's shown with Lightning and XIII-saga that they're just gonna wanna pull whatever batshit insane shit they wanna pull.
It's an official story involving the dismemberment and sexual exploitation of characters far more beloved than the ones in FFXIII. Did I mention the cheap gore and sex?
Someone needs to talk about it. Angrily.
Meccanical
Member
Eh, it's fine.
I'm not ignoring XIII's numerous and glaring flaws, but I'm also not going to assert my personal opinion of the game as a fact. I have seen too many people attempt to do this over the past few days with both XII and XIII. That was the intent of my reply to you.
EDIT:
I remember unsent being made of pyreflies as well, but in X Tidus was different in a way because he was purely a dream and never really 'alive'. Not sure what the state of his existence at the end of X-2 was when he got reincarnated.
EDIT: dammit double posted by accident. :/
Dragon1893
Member
Lol, this is too much, it has to be a joke.
Had to google NTR.
The sad thing is that there a lot of idiots defending this but oh well.
Not sure either, and considering that lasted a grand total of two days, I don't think anybody could be! And how are we supposed to care, in these conditions?
Zoe
Member
What beloved characters are being sexually exploited?
rocketskates
Member
Yunas new Rinoa makeover, I like.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I dunno about full blown "exploited" but the summary makes it seem like Yuna's totally being objectified (way past X-2 levels) and Tidus is being creepy. X had amazing story and characterization. Not saying there's no room for any of that if you're gonna believe they're multi-dimensional characters, but the way they seem to do it in this new story seems uncharacteristically crude for them, and all reeks of a device for waifu/fanservice pandering.