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Final Fantasy X -Will- and FFX-2.5 plot discussion thread [Up2: Uh, um, errr, see OP]
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Zoe
Member
For crying out loud, we've only heard about one exchange of dialogue.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
That's hardly the only isolated problem. There's the whole thing with
Sin coming back
Tidus and Yuna breaking up. Let's face it, they break up but obviously will get back together somehow in the end.
You're right, we haven't seen or heard this thing for ourselves. But Toriyama's and SE's track record (especially with direct sequels here) is not exactly a source of confidence. It's extremely fair for fans to be revolted.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Not to defend what is sounding like a pretty bad novel, but I think you're getting a little too worked up about it. I don't think Tidus saying something like "I hope we don't get attacked right now, I'm a little distracted" to his swimsuit-clad girlfriend is exploitation or objectification or anything like that.
Eh...think I'll wait for a more thorough translation before I get all worked up again.
If you've watched the translated audio drama on YouTube, it seems like
Tidus and Lulu, at least, are more worried about something else coming back...like they see Sin coming back as a sign that something else could,
The audio drama's not TOO bad on its own as a setup, if a bit lazy.
I can't take anyone seriously that thinks that X had amazing story and characterization.
Anyway I'm hungry, I'm going to just shout I need food.
I can deal with other shenanigans the series has dished out but this and its subsequent effect on Tidus has crossed the LOL-worthy thresholds.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
The game had characters that I ended up caring about, and a story that actually made an emotional connection. What problems did you have with it? Keep in mind it's a product of its time, and one of the very first RPG's to tackle the fully cinematic route and offer voice-acting on the scale that it did. Even in its outdated state, it offers a better cast and plot than most of the FF's that followed it. (Not to mention plenty of modern games on today's market.)
Edit:
Lol guess this was a typical "This game/story sucks cause I said so" hit-n-run post? Well hot damn, totally convinced me there.
That seems more acceptable I guess but still kinda trite. The set up alone doesn't doom the project but as I mentioned, SE's track-record with this sort of thing is hardly glowing with amazing output.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Ah, I had forgotten I could actually edit the OP (but not the title). I removed the fan summaries of the audio drama and linked to the English version.
I know what you mean but then again, I don't agree. I mean, you don't care, you don't notice or whatever, ok, sure, but if a story is really bad written and dumb, it's not a matter of opinions.
I wonder what possessed Nojima to kill off Tidus in the most lamest way possible.
Good point. I think they were getting their ass handed to them.
Knowing Square's track record, it will never come.
I he was still a dream of the Fayth at the end of FFX-2, which is why Yuna was wondering if was going to disappear or not. But that still just leaves open more questions.
Actually, its...very much so a matter of opinions. Certain aspects of a story can be objectively critiqued, like maybe a piece of dialog lacking proper grammar or a story contradicting it's rules and whatnot but a story being "dumb" is entirely a matter of opinion no matter what you say. Also, with the way a lot of people in gaming go around saying something is poorly written with such weak explanations that might as well be an opinion as well at this point.
nrvalleytime
Member
In all the hubbub, I think we're forgetting to ask the most important question -
Who created and planted the bomb? My money's on Kimahri - always wanted Yuna for himself.
Agreed. The open-ended nature did seem to fit though - there never needed to be closure with that story since Tidus never should have existed in Yuna's world initially. Not saying the quality is the same, but it reminds me a bit of Inception's ending. Does it matter, ultimately?
Who created and planted the bomb? My money's on Kimahri - always wanted Yuna for himself.
Agreed. The open-ended nature did seem to fit though - there never needed to be closure with that story since Tidus never should have existed in Yuna's world initially. Not saying the quality is the same, but it reminds me a bit of Inception's ending. Does it matter, ultimately?
The Japanese book, I mean.
Note that this is in the 100% ending, which is set after the events of the novel. So now, according to the novel, during that scene, Yuna is actually thinking "dude, you don't even know what you're talking about, there".
Awkward? Off-putting? Yep. Good job, Nojima.
Guys from 1000 years ago.
Tidus has the worst luck, doesn't he?
Yeah so finally had time to watch the "translated" vid...still no news on where one can acquire the novella?
Anyway, holy jebus it didn't make it any better. This sounds as utter crap imo. Yuna pushes away Tidus because of what? Real stupid passe "waah he dead, must send him away no wanna so better yadayada lie because reasons"
The One True Waifu hunt commences!
Stuff that has potential to be great(don't like Chuami for one second, voice actors fault?)
Anyway:
Shuyin comes back, or perhaps something original?
Kurgum gets denied
Kurgum stupidly tries anyway.
Smack Shuyin, Tidus no longer weak because he eats Shuyin to regain something for something.
Chuami confesses that she hates Lulu because flat chested women apparently despises fully breasted women.
Lulu smacks her into place.
Smack Sin
Real baddy shows up
Commence the good part of the game...I hope
Stupid Shit
Good Stuff
Stupid Shit
Great Stuff
The one True Waifu(decide yourself if I mean Tidus or Yuna) achieved.
Baddy defeated
Incomplete ending leaving tons of questions
June 2014. Final Fantasy X-3 announced - Special Cameo Lightning!(must sell the leftover Merch)
June 2015. Final Fantasy X-3:2 announced - Special Cameo <insert whoever they must try to milk>
Not saying the games will be crap...but as of now this just seems incredibly bile inducing.
Edit: was ahead of myself
Anyway, holy jebus it didn't make it any better. This sounds as utter crap imo. Yuna pushes away Tidus because of what? Real stupid passe "waah he dead, must send him away no wanna so better yadayada lie because reasons"
The One True Waifu hunt commences!
Stuff that has potential to be great(don't like Chuami for one second, voice actors fault?)
Anyway:
Shuyin comes back, or perhaps something original?
Kurgum gets denied
Kurgum stupidly tries anyway.
Smack Shuyin, Tidus no longer weak because he eats Shuyin to regain something for something.
Chuami confesses that she hates Lulu because flat chested women apparently despises fully breasted women.
Lulu smacks her into place.
Smack Sin
Real baddy shows up
Commence the good part of the game...I hope
Stupid Shit
Good Stuff
Stupid Shit
Great Stuff
The one True Waifu(decide yourself if I mean Tidus or Yuna) achieved.
Baddy defeated
Incomplete ending leaving tons of questions
June 2014. Final Fantasy X-3 announced - Special Cameo Lightning!(must sell the leftover Merch)
June 2015. Final Fantasy X-3:2 announced - Special Cameo <insert whoever they must try to milk>
Not saying the games will be crap...but as of now this just seems incredibly bile inducing.
Edit: was ahead of myself
nrvalleytime
Member
You're serious? Good grief.
legacyzero
Banned
What..... In the fucking FUCK?!
You really HAVE lost your shit, havnt you SE?
You really HAVE lost your shit, havnt you SE?
Meccanical
Member
I would say "eh maybe it not so bad but when even Japanese folks aren't reacting so warmly to the novel...I mean what more can be said here.
nrvalleytime
Member
http://translate.google.com/transla...%20Price%20of%20eternity&tag=vglink-jp-c93-22
Google translate page for reference - third review heading nails it. It does sound like the worst. Ha.
(It's kinda amazing how Google sometimes actually manages to translate Tidus's name properly.)
Relaxed Muscle
Member
People think is shit. Although you can't fully understand the reviews you can clearly see they didn't like it.
Edit: I'm a bit sad the NTR is not about Yuna and Tidus, I hate NTR but at the same time I really wanted to Nojima go full batshit. Maybe in X-3!!
Spiffy_1st
Member
Reading this thread, I'm suddenly happy all Square Enix is doing with with FFV and VI is vomiting all over them and releasing them on iOS/Android. I cannot being to imagine what sort of pathetic drivel they could come up with if they decided to touch the story.
This is making the Compilation of FFVII seem reasonable. I mean, Tidus kicked bomb... I'm just gonna assume this is 2ch trolling us baka gaijin.
This is making the Compilation of FFVII seem reasonable. I mean, Tidus kicked bomb... I'm just gonna assume this is 2ch trolling us baka gaijin.
For the audio drama? You can just watch the actual thing instead, now, so it's somewhat superfluous.
Because they weren't completely accurate and the OP needed an update with the subititled audio drama. It was also making people react far worse to the audio drama when it's not even the issue.
PhantomHound
Banned
Er... You shouldn't call someone an idiot for having a different opinion. Everyone can have a valid opinion of a game or the story of a game. We shouldn't outright call them an idiot for liking something even if it's terrible to the majority of people. I'm sure you have certain tastes for things that you like that other people don't.
Gaming, television, books, and movies can all have an attribute of taste affiliated with them. Because like food, taste is personal and subjective to one self.
Consider this:
You: I like the taste of cheese.
Me: You like the taste of cheese? You are an idiot.
As you can see, the above example of having a different taste and calling them an idiot, doesn't really fit well with food. The same should be said about anything resembling a personal taste. It is important to have different opinions so we may have different discussions and enrich our minds. Feel free to argue your point all you want, that's a good thing; however, please do not take to calling someone an idiot for having a dissenting opinion than your own.
Me and the other 2 "idiots" who are giving it a chance thank you for listening.
Yep. This certainly proves Square Enix's unbelievably idiotic stories extend beyond FFXIII.
It's more like 'I like the taste of mouldy bread'.
PhantomHound
Banned
Yep. This certainly proves Square Enix's unbelievably idiotic stories extend beyond FFXIII.
It's more like 'I like the taste of mouldy bread'.
Let's stick with cheese. Some cheese is full of mold. Some people hate it, and others, like myself, adore a bleu cheese with tons of yummy mold. Ah... the more mold the better, like my father always said.
Is there a chance that Final Fantasy X-3 will be another novel or audio drama? Looking at these summaries it seems like the plot might be too far out there to continue as another game.
In terms of the teams working at SE there's the XV team which will be doing Kingdom Hearts 3 and I presume the XIII-3 team would be doing this sequel. But wouldn't it be more profitable to make a sequel to XV as it will be more current in the gaming population's memory?
In terms of the teams working at SE there's the XV team which will be doing Kingdom Hearts 3 and I presume the XIII-3 team would be doing this sequel. But wouldn't it be more profitable to make a sequel to XV as it will be more current in the gaming population's memory?
Sure, I like blue cheese just fine as well, but they sell it everywhere because it's generally liked by enough people. Mouldy bread is something generally accepted as gross, but some people may like it, which fits a lot more in line with this thread.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Lol, people are pissed. I'm glad it's not just gaf overreacting. Even people buying the product think its hot garbage. Hopefully nothing big comes from this story. It would truly be a huge waste of resources.
Zoe
Member
It's probably going to be on the Vita using the remake's engine and assets.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
PhantomHound
Banned
I think we're going off from my original point of calling someone an idiot for having a different taste... But sure, it's moldy bread.
PhantomHound
Banned
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Vita = Phone (iOS) hardware.
Selling it at higher price on portable (Vita) for the first months then quickly port it to iOS.
That's fair, I don't think anyone is an idiot for simply having an opinion, but it's also possible to... share an opinion with very few people.
PhantomHound
Banned
Agreed. I recognize this.
PhantomHound
Banned
I agree with that 100% A 3-6 month period on vita followed by IOS. Do you think sony might be throwing any money into this pool to get a final fantasy game on vita?
Sola Scriptura
Member
If you haven't realized it already, it should be plainly evident by now:
There is nothing Square Enix won't destroy for a profit. NOTHING.
There is no dignity. Only dollars (yen).
There is nothing Square Enix won't destroy for a profit. NOTHING.
There is no dignity. Only dollars (yen).
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I meant HD remaster release, IMO they're clearly aiming for a late iOS port. I don't have any proof except the comments of the new CEO and the new direction of the company.
About Sony buying X-3? Maybe.
I kinda doubt it, Sony hasn't buying downright "exclusives" as of late and much less on Vita. And I doubt they will start now.
Given the new CEO comments, SE output on portables in the last year (specially on Vita) and the general direction of the company is crazy to expect X-3 on anything that isn't iOS or MAYBE PS3.
As much, I expect a late Vita port, not the contrary.
Can't wait for IX-2, where Vivi comes back to life through the power of friendship, Zidane visits Italy, Freya is now scantily dressed fury bait, Brahne comes back for revenge, Garnet is secretly a goddess, Steiner is impaled by a moogle as he was distracted by Beatrix in a cat suit, and Quina reveals her true form as Quinalina, a sexy time traveling shop keeper.
gon be mint.
gon be mint.
Sola Scriptura
Member
Funny that you should mention sexiness in your mocking prediction. The sexing-up of the franchise is one of its biggest current problems.
Exponentially stupid storylines with no consistency that are made up mostly spur of the moment is a problem in FFXIII.
Mocking?
By Square's recent acts, that's a legit prediction guy
I do agree with your thoughts about sexing up the series. It's one of my biggest complaints.
I'd argue, the issue is consistency between titles, and it's not just an issue with XIII or the XIII series even. XIII despite it's glaring pacing and exposition issues, the story managed to stay consistent up until the deus ex machina ending. XIII-2 was where the consistency fell apart, and they started to retcon and add time travelling.
Same thing with X to X-2. X stayed consistent throughout, however X-2 came along and they decided to completely change the tone with the whole Charlie's Angels vibe.
VII to Advent Children, they decided to completely change Cloud. Going from someone who had opened up and got passed being an arrogant jackass to a depressed emo.
They just can't do sequels.