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Official Transformers: The Movie thread
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Sapienshomo said:
G1 is the cartoon that ran from 1984 through 1986(ish). The G2 cartoon was the exact same cartoon with CG "cyber cube" transitions. There was a seperate, G2, 12-issue comic book run with its own, unique story.
Then the cartoons died for a good, long while and were finally resurrected with Beast Wars.
Sapienshomo said:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Milk&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi
(Kidding aside - and its been a very long while since I even cared - I believe that a true G2 cartoon was actually commissioned by Hasbro, but it turned out so poorly that re-packaging G1 was the only feasible option. But that's just rumor/speculation.)
Gary Chalk would be the best voice actor Prime if Cullen somehow would not be able to do it. Chalk did his best imitation G1 Prime voice when he was holding Prime's spark in Beast Wars Season 3. Plus Gary Chalk's voice as Optimus Primal/Optimal Optimus fit pretty well IMHO.
You forget that Frank Welker did his original Megatron voice for Botcon 97 when he couldn't make it to all the fans waiting outside before the convention startedxsarien said:
ManaByte said:
If George Clooney is involved, someone better tell him:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=243844
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/2308.asp
http://www.slashfilm.com/article.php/clooneynotatransformer
Stop reading AICN, Mana, it'll rot your brain.
Ninja Scooter
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As long as a get to see a car go **CHEE KOO KOO CHEE KOO CHEE** and turn into a bigass ****ing robot and wreck shit up, this movie will rock. All you toolbags getting all butthurt over tiny little details need to STFU. The Scooter has spoken.
ManaByte said:THIS is Optimus Prime:
They had a perfect flat-nosed red semi at Comic Con last year for Prime.
Flash forward a year, and Michael Bay gets retarded:
Again...
PERFECT:
RETARDED:
...Nah. Too easy.
The change for the movie has been explained, and the change is actually the more dominant form he's taken in the toyline over the years. Get it through your head that designs that are outright slavish to the original G1 media can sometimes be a bad thing.
You know that Bumblebee isnt' a VW, right?
xsarien said:
Not in this case. Get it through your head that nobody ****ing knows anything but G1 except supernerd fans. Red flatnose truck G1 Prime is iconic. The millions of people who see the Transformers movie publicity and think "Oh yeah, I remember that, with the cars and robots and stuff," will picture Optimus. Of all the TFs in the film, Prime is the one who should remain as identical as possible to the G1 version. **** with Bumblebee and the others as much as you like, but people will be looking for Prime, because he's what the casual viewers remember from the old show.
Without a recognizable Optimus Prime, the movie will look like it's populated by random new robots, and will lose the interest of the considerably larger non-fan audience who merely remember a red truck that turned into a window-chested robot who sounded like John Wayne. Changing him is a horrible, horrible decision and makes zero sense. The "flatnoses are too small" thing is bullshit, too. It's a movie, and of all people in Hollywood, Michael goddamn Bay shouldn't need to be told that things in movies don't have to conform to reality. If real flatnose trucks are too small...build a bigger one.
MattKeil said:
Drama much?
It can equally be argued that only the most dedicated, Can't-Get-Out-Of-The-80s G1 fanboys would declare a movie "ruined" by the type of truck Prime turns out to be.
Keep in mind, please, that the Transformers brand is still actively marketed today. Don't be surprised to see kids in the theater who know nothing about G1 except for what their father may have on DVD somewhere. The more we find out about this movie, the more I come to terms with the fact that it may not be relying on G1 for anything more than the origin story.
ManaByte
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xsarien said:
DOMINANT FORM? He was a black long-nosed semi TWICE in the shitty Transformers Armada and Transformers G2 "Laser Rod" versions. He is a pickup truck in Alternators, but that doesn't count as a semi.
Dominant form? :lol :lol :lol :lol
G1:
Super God Masterforce:
G2:
Machine Wars:
Robots in Disguise (the firetruck):
Transformers Energon:
Transformers Cybertron:
And the shitty long-nosed NON-DOMINANT forms...
Transformers Armada:
G2 "Laser Rod" Prime:
I fail to see how two toys out of seven lines make it the dominant form of Optimus Prime.
Spike Spiegel
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Can we at least wait to see what he looks like transformed? Or some, I dunno, actual pictures from the film?
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What am I saying -- of course not. :lol
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What am I saying -- of course not. :lol
ManaByte said:
You forgot Go-Bot Prime (sports car) and War Within Prime (truck-ish...thing.) Also, Cybertron Prime is arguably more fantasy than reality, and RiD isn't a semi PERIOD, just like Alt. Prime.
Also, note how Energon Prime is more white than red, and how LR Prime bears a striking resemblance to a certain picture floating around the Internets.
xsarien said:
Get over yourself.
Show me where I said that, because I wouldn't say something as stupid as that. My point that you so laboriously managed to avoid comprehending was that if you're going to use a recognized brand for your multi-million dollar project, it would probably behoove you to actually take advantage of the recognizable aspects of that brand. It's like licensing He-Man but deciding to use the ridiculous "He-Man in SPAAAAAACE!" version of the character.
Yeah, you don't need to tell me shit about the Transformers, dude. But I know damn well that the moviegoing audience they're after with a hard PG-13 film is teenagers and twentysomethings who remember the original show and couldn't give two shits about what happened after Optimus Prime died and those lameass future cars showed up and ruined the TV show.
Changing Prime on this level is a mistake. I can understand making the face shield retractable, since that allows the character to emote better (and allows for a big "Prime's going to kick some ass now" scene where he puts it up before the big climax), but altering his appearance this drastically just doesn't make sense. There's no possible justification for it unless the makers of the film really think that Autobot logo is going to be enough to jog people's memories about a 20 year old toyline that hasn't been part of the culture since the first movie bombed.
MattKeil said:
Like transforming robots? If the greatest criticism leveled at this movie is "BUT PRIME WASN'T RED AND A FLAT-NOSE TRUCK," then consider the movie a relative success. Which, by the way, is much more than can ever be said about the original.
Heh. Even someone who's 19 today has a better chance of having Beast Wars as their childhood Transformer memories than G1.
You really don't have proof of that beyond assuming that your opinion is shared by every person who is going to see this movie.
The official line is that they need him to be this type of truck so the height scaling works out. If the movie's done right, his vehicle mode won't make a lick of difference.
aparisi2274
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Thanks to DMczaf for this Great Transformers info:
http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=760
and for the final confirmation:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23937
And one last bit of confirmation thanks to Kreuzader
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/transformersmovie/001041498.cfm
http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=760
and for the final confirmation:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23937
And one last bit of confirmation thanks to Kreuzader
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/transformersmovie/001041498.cfm
Willco said:
Ahahahahaha
I mean, I largely agree with ManaByte though. People who don't know shit about Transformers knows there's the red truck guy and the gray guy who can turn into a gun. I really don't think they should've ****ed with it, and what they showed last year would have been perfect. I'm pretty disappointed at the change, but it is what it is.
Littleberu
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Yeah because THAT would have been so ****ing better. Manabyte you're an ass.
Studs Ramrod
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My personal opinion is: The movie is going to be mega-wack. Period. It has a lot to live up to.
Though it being super-booty - in my opinion, the movie needs three things:
1. Prime, in his 1st Generation form. Optimus, was a father-figure - of sorts, to us children of the 80's. Any other shape or form, is just allowing a stranger to lure us with candy.
2. The original transforming sound-effect. If it lacks this, the movie is doomed - without question.
3. Key characters in the Transformer lore: Unicron, Constructicons (original green crew, not that yellow piece of shit), Omega Supreme, Starscream (in all his traitorous glory), Shockwave (still protecting Cybertron), Skyfire [Jetfire], Sideswipe and Sunstreaker [the brothers], Skywarp, Thundercracker.
- Unless noted, all characters must be Generation 1 versions.
Michael Bay has a lot to consider (or he already has, since filming since begun) and not taking any opinions of an 80's child, will surely doom the project from inception.
- Studs Ramrod
Though it being super-booty - in my opinion, the movie needs three things:
1. Prime, in his 1st Generation form. Optimus, was a father-figure - of sorts, to us children of the 80's. Any other shape or form, is just allowing a stranger to lure us with candy.
2. The original transforming sound-effect. If it lacks this, the movie is doomed - without question.
3. Key characters in the Transformer lore: Unicron, Constructicons (original green crew, not that yellow piece of shit), Omega Supreme, Starscream (in all his traitorous glory), Shockwave (still protecting Cybertron), Skyfire [Jetfire], Sideswipe and Sunstreaker [the brothers], Skywarp, Thundercracker.
- Unless noted, all characters must be Generation 1 versions.
Michael Bay has a lot to consider (or he already has, since filming since begun) and not taking any opinions of an 80's child, will surely doom the project from inception.
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