Killing_Joke
Member
Don't have enough time to read the whole thread but this is all a music issue it seems? Pretty crazy.
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Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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People just need to host their videos elsewhere. It's not like it isn't trivial for viewers to type in another URL.
ChiliManiac
Banned
GuitarAnthony
Neo Member
I doubt pewdeepie will be affected. He's the crown prince, apparently.
Oh, it'll happen. One day, they'll be another video hosting service that'll be just as good as Youtube, & Youtube will start going the way of MySpace & Digg in popularity.
dragonbane
Member
Lol Hearst Magazines UK apparently owns the cutscene of the train leaving. And Bafta owns the official trailer. Absolutely bullshit.
ChiliManiac
Banned
Vimeo is the next best place for stuff like this, I actually like them a lot better and they're wholly independent. Though they no longer allow them do to length. I think people at NeoGAF should start up a video upload place just for video games. Call it GamerTube or something that has streaming and youplay videos.
I feel like either me or some people aren't understanding what's going on. These content ID matches are (for the most part) preventing personal monetization...right?
As you see here the video is still available and playable.
Why is there talk of relocating to different sites?
As you see here the video is still available and playable.
Why is there talk of relocating to different sites?
PotionBleue
Member
Yes that's what's going on, but it's more like a first step of a more important change that will end in January 2014. This article explains some of its aspects.
People not monetizing their content = for them, nothing new is going on at the moment. You can still post almost whatever video game footage you want.
And do you think that money should go to some random magazine and BAFTA?
cr_blah_blah
Member
At least you didn't pussyfoot around your jealousy and stupidity like many others here.
Wiktor
Member
Because the most popular YTs actually make a living out of it? Would you stay in your current work if from tommorow you would stop getting paid for it?
People are talking like we need to move all gaming media, monetized or not, to other sites as if Youtube is blocking all content.
Gintoki313
Banned
If there's one thing I hate about Youtube, it's this. I remember I made a video and posted a clip of a cartoon in it, and I got copyright claim. It was from some weird Spanish site, or publisher, I'm not sure. It's like any big company can claim rights for anything to flag a video, Youtube's copyright rules is disgusting. Especially since some low users like me can't do much about it.
It really reeks to have a video you work hard on get a copyright claim from some random unknown publisher, company, etc.
If I get flagged I at least want it to be from the actual dev company, or the people who worked on it. So I can respect the claim and acknowledge it.
PotionBleue
Member
But you didn't have rights to upload the video to begin with. The “but it's the wrong claimant!” defense isn't something YouTube cares about. You have proof of authorization to use footage? Dispute all claims.
exmachina64
Banned
You're fantastic.
Gintoki313
Banned
That's the thing, I wish I could. I would gladly call up or email an animation studio and ask if I can use a clip from a cartoon, but it doesn't matter if random companies flag me for it that isn't that studio. Even if I try to dispute a claim, I bet they'd take the random company's side. Mostly because their bigshots, while I'm normal everday Youtube uploader.
I know this because I tried and failed.
The article is in complete alarmist mode but the video is informative.
decoyplatypus
Member
Are you no longer able to dispute the claim? Youtube instituted an appeals process last year to deal with bullshit claims. It may not effectively punish trolls or over-aggressive content owners, but it's a lot easier than litigating a DMCA claim.
I have a hard time imagining a youtube competitor arising without installing a system comparable to content ID. It's an easy way to placate content owners and reduce the number of actual DMCA takedown notices you have to deal with, both of which are very good things for a company trying to turn a profit. Content ID is often a bad bargain for consumers (and individual creators without the clout of a major corporation), but bear in mind that the copyright system underlying it has been getting worse and worse, so private systems built on top of that framework (for better or worse) are only going to become more common.
Where have you been? Corporations are people.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
It has nothing to do with companies. This applies to anyone willing to copyright anything. It's just happens that in this instance that a company is the one taking action.
It gives above equal rights to creators.
PotionBleue
Member
I do not understand what you are saying. If the animation company gives you proper permission to use content (i.e. some kind of proof that you can forward to YouTube), YouTube is going to dismiss the copyright strike. At most the bogus company can just reinstate its claim, which is the step inbetween, but not the last resort.
Puppet Shadow
Member
Why don't they just compromise, and let uploaders and content owners split the revenue 50/50?
Fox Mulder
Member
while it would be awesome to see YouTube knocked down a few pegs, the laws and publisher greed would still affect other sites worth the effort of going after.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Did you think I don't know that? You need to read up on the Supreme Court decision on corporate personhood in 2010. There are many who don't think this is right, but their legal options are minuscule thanks to these types of rulings.
Because Hearst Magazine UK created The Last of Us? I'm talking about abuse of systems. None of the abuse here will be sanctioned by Google because these entities are above being questioned or scrutinized. Instead it is the users who are screwed without recourse.
Gintoki313
Banned
I probably worded that wrong. I didn't mean I literally got the rights from the studio to use the clip, and then I got claimed. I meant I tried to counter the claim from random company and it just didn't go over well. I just got sick of the BS with it and just removed the clip.
It has to do with people, both content creators and viewers, are neck deep with youtube and its functionality. Youtube is on my pc, mobile, ps3, xbox, etc... my account and subscriptions are setup and I'm used to the site and know how to navigate it. If one of the people I like goes somewhere else, but the rest stay, I'm probably not going to go out of my way to visit multiple sites to get their content. Sure, fans will do that, but as a general viewer who enjoys the content they probably won't.
I believe this might be one of the reasons why.
qualitydisc
Member
This entire situation reminds me of the early 2000s when the music industry got dragged kicking and screaming into the digital download age. The big record labels viewed all downloads as evil rather than trying to pre-empt and innovate new ways of delivering content to consumers.
I feel like this is going to take a few years before there's a peaceful median between game publishers and users who want to make derivative works.
I'm thankful that I don't have a large number of uploaded videos on Youtube because this is a fight that I don't wanna be in. Some sympathy, however, to those who have a stake in this.
I feel like this is going to take a few years before there's a peaceful median between game publishers and users who want to make derivative works.
I'm thankful that I don't have a large number of uploaded videos on Youtube because this is a fight that I don't wanna be in. Some sympathy, however, to those who have a stake in this.
The belief that a rival website will not be held to these same standards is a bit ridiculous.
flamingotripod
Member
Does this mean it will be pretty much impossible to share videos straight from Xbone or PS4 to youtube?
You can still share, you can't monetize them.
PotionBleue
Member
IF you are NOT getting money off your video game videos → you can pretty much upload whatever you want.
Some publishers don't like if you straight re-upload trailers or cutscenes, or if you upload footage before the game's release, but it's nothing new. The ongoing issue is ONLY affecting users who monetize their videos.
Yes, all content even tangentially related to video games is now unconditionally banned from YouTube forever. Existing videos are expected to be taken down by the end of the day, black helicopters have been dispatched to collect the ill-gotten earnings of everyone who's ever monetized this stuff, and Terminator units have been sent to the past to wipe especially important targets from history.
LOL the videos on that guys channel is 90% trailers. I understand why LP user are upset, but that Rajman guy shouldn't complain at all, since he basically steals the trailers from the devs/publishers and earn money on their work.
Random Painted HIghway
Member
You really have to hand it to those who managed to turn their hobby into a profitable enterprise but surely everyone would expect that at some point this would come to an end, right? This could never rationally be seen as a viable long term (10+years) career without approval of the copyright holders.
Surely you would also have a backup plan, you would be a foolin this economy in any field not to have an up to date resume and idea of where to go next with your life. Once you make the move from night/weekend hobby to full time you are taking on a lot of risk just like any other small business and should prepare for the worst accordingly.
Surely you would also have a backup plan, you would be a foolin this economy in any field not to have an up to date resume and idea of where to go next with your life. Once you make the move from night/weekend hobby to full time you are taking on a lot of risk just like any other small business and should prepare for the worst accordingly.
Fuck this guy. Steals content, plasters watermarks all over them, then re-uploads.
PotionBleue
Member
What is the problem? If you've got permission, dispute the claims. If you don't,
MagicWithEarvin
Member
True.
It's dumb of him to complain openly like that. "Oh no, they're taking ad revenue away from me."
He's no worse than any of the other LPers. Unfortunately by protecting legitimate claims you will also have to protect illegitimate claims. Still, many videos that are being taken down by Youtube are videos that the content creators do give the rights to people in the press to re-post. Usually it stipulates without alterations, but there's too many videos to keep track of and actually know. I assume the content bot is just blanket taking down things and is now much less inclined to exercise caution.
But I do the games for the sake of promoting them. Nothing more. This is just giving me a reason to say I quit. I've been on YouTube for seven years and now all of it is going away.
I'm probably happy in a sense. It's high time that I retire.
PotionBleue
Member
There seems to be a misunderstanding. If you're not monetizing videos, the recent changes are not affecting you. Keep the videos coming up.
If you are, then you're doing it for money, not for the sake of promoting.
Yes he is. LPers actually play the game, entertain and edit and spend lots of time overall. This guys simply reuploads a trailer. If you can't tell the difference, well...