b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Then these devs better do something about this.
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Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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Then these devs better do something about this.
GEMA will prevent any German viewer from seeing it. Probaby at least the audio will be removed, if you're unlucky the video will be removed.
Shitty situation all around.
QuicheFontaine
Member
Well My channel is still new, only 48 Subscribers, I want to do more with my channel but wanted to start with making interesting gaming video's first and move from their and now this thing has happened. I was recently thinking that my boat has sailed, but I am going to Swim and catch that bloody boat should it kill me to do so!
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
Well, at least there's something that actually make sense. But apparently the whole thing is about monetizing, right? I can't see why these content creators wasn't warned to disable ads when the new policy took place or something? YT just fucked 'em like that?
And if this is about copyright content then why it has been happening for years?
Make LP videos if you want to try and get subscribers
If you get a healthy following then try producing original content
You can also do reviews, previews, and editorials as they would be considered under fair use
Just be sure to wait for YouTube to fix their system
MADGAME
Member
That is a better question and in my opinion, worth exploring. I believe if the song is distinguishable on the video, it would be the responsibility of the uploader to either obtain permission from the copyright holder(s) or remove/edit/censor the content.
I'd say he's a gamer, he got much farther in the rage type games than other hardcore gamers and he's currently playing Dark Souls and doing a fairly decent job at it.
I will have to look at a massive channel rethink clearly but Gaming is who I am even if I can only share it on Twitch.tv I will carry on. I just hope people will find me there :S
PotionBleue
Member
That's the whole issue. It seems there have been too many abuses because being part of a network basically granted you a divine protection against content ID / allowed you monetization even if you did not provide strong proof. Sure some publishers clearly allow monetization of their content, but others don't.
How the hell did you get those from his post?
Of course I'm exaggerating, but look at what copyright is now compared to what it was 100 years ago. And look at what companies like Disney are trying to push it into becoming.
Monetization and micropayments are easier to manage than ever. If it's easy for Joe Gamer to pick up a few pennies, think how easy it will someday be for big governments and corporations to "monetize" anything and everything, wielding copyright laws like a machete.
If it hasn't been tried already, it's going to be. And Joe Gamer will have to roll over rather than stump up hundreds of dollars just to talk to a lawyer.
Common sense might still win, but it will be debated rather than tossed out like the nonsense that anyone born before about 1920 would know that it is.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
That still does not explain why YT goes on a massacre without warning anyone to disable ads or something. I think if a new policy take place, people must be warned first.
Content ID is a warning, and the notifications going out are the same type as YouTube's been doing for a while now. No massacre has occurred yet.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
Huh. Okay.
Yeah. Watch Frasher's video for an explanation of some terms and how this all works out. Basically, people who were in partner networks and never got copyright ID matches before are now experiencing the exact same thing as him.
QuicheFontaine
Member
As shown by the post above mine though, copyright laws are not consistent across all jurisdictions (although most countries are signatories of the Berne Convention).
So in the UK there is an incidental inclusion exception (lol sounds like a contradiction), but it doesn't look like there is one in Germany. Another example is the 'fair use' defence, which is much talked about with regard to this topic. The USA has it, but the UK doesn't - instead we have 'fair dealing', which is subtly different.
PotionBleue
Member
Well people certainly are trying to make it look like a massacre because they are losing ad revenue.
It's being dubbed as a massacre because that's how it is seemingly for the big YouTube channel.
For example:
He has 5000 videos. In the 2 days since this started, he's had over 400 videos claimed, which means he makes no money from any of them. If it was a few videos I guess it's no biggie but if this carries on, he'll have the majority of his content claimed. I presume this is his full time job.
I was responding to the guy that responded to you. Cause I dont really think you can find "vindictive, childish or jealous" in your original post. Probably just him trying to sound "above it all" with reductionist statements.
The other wrinkle to this is that content ID claims aren't supposed to be something that takes over your channel. If you handle them, whether by acknowledging or successfully disputing, they're supposed to happen to you less often.
The current shitstorm is a result of Google increasing the base rate of content ID checks, resetting everyone's "trust rating," and making most people in partner networks subject to the claims where they were immune before.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
So salty. You've got to stop letting shit like that bother you, man
You're not entirely wrong. For example, Pewdiepie often gets sent early copies of games or peripherals which results in an early sneak peek for his audience and major free publicity for the developers, but I'd say the bolded part is true for most youtube celebrities, it's just something to differentiate themselves from the crowd.
Basically and ultimately, this all has to do with the "affiliate" news that came out the other day? Must be related to that surely.
His salary is over $2 million a year.
-MD-
Member
People say his CPM (how much he makes per 1000 views) is high and must be high as he's the biggest YouTuber of all time. A study estimated his yearly earnings is near the $17 million mark.
There is no way it's as low as $2 million.
Look at his views per day and month:
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/pewdiepie/monthly
Since most of his videos are on indie games he'll continue to be successful in spite of your perverse wishes.
Fair Dealing is quite different in a lot of ways.
Effectively, the problem here is the entire concept of fair use - in the US, Fair Use is extremely badly defined in legislation. Indeed, it's deliberately vague. This has some advantages, in that people can often rush ahead and claim it in new and novel situations straight away. But it also has the massive downside that you're never quite sure if what you're doing is legal (particularily with those new situations) until you or someone doing something similar is sued and you're used to create useful precident. And precident is only useful to lawyers, really.
Most countries in Europe tend to have much more specific, limited exemptions to copyright, such as Fair Dealing for criticism and review, which gives you clarity - but what's clear is that using anything more than a small section is generally not allowed.
Ultimately, Google can't keep up with that, so that's why you end up with Content ID. But there's only one meaningful solution, and that's don't rely on a free hosting provider for your videos, which is all YouTube is. You're paying your money, and taking your choice - but free doesn't buy you much, and it's no great surprise it buys you a host willing to take no legal chances on your behalf whatsoever.
YouTube has held the development of internet video back a lot - but you can still go and host video on your own server if you put your mind to it, and if you're relying on detailed copyright exemptions and want to be able to take your own associated legal risks, you shouldn't be using a crappy third party service you have no control over.
Daffy Duck
Member
I didn't realise PewDiePie lived in the UK......
Gintoki313
Banned
Didn't think I'd get affected by this, but I just got a flag for a Dead Island Riptide gameplay video. Kinda weird since my other gameplay vids are okay, just not Riptide.
I'm kinda mad, but I made the video a long time ago anyways.
I'm kinda mad, but I made the video a long time ago anyways.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Get a grip.
It sucks but any youtuber who didn't have a rain day fund or a plan b, needs to wake up. If anyone expect they could keep this gold rush going forever, they don't understand how corporate America works. You get ignored until you make enough money, youtube now makes enough money to get the attention of the publishers. All hell was going to break loose one day, i'm just amazed they milked it out as long as they did.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Personally Pewdepie doesn't affect me. He can do whatever he wants. However, his jokes are extremely disrespectful as are some of the other LPers. I could see why people would think he isn't improving the gamer image.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Yup
How? They've all agreed contractually to YouTube's terms and conditions, which give them free reign to do anything to videos stored on the site for any reason.
Again, if you don't like those terms, you shouldn't be hosting video on YouTube (and I would advise that you shouldn't, if at all possible).
Sueing youtube over not making on content that you don't own the copyright to. Have fun with that
Agreeing to a ToS does not allow you to infringe on any rights, and any law can be appealed at any time for being unconstitutional or infringing on the rights of others that would normally be subject to your Terms. A contract is not some immutable, magical thing.
If you agreed to a ToS that said that upon agreeing you forfeit all your wealth, your soul, and your firstborn child, it's obvious that a corporation cannot do this simply because you signed into a ToS agreement. The terms are nowhere near as egregious in the ToS Google provisions, but Copyright Law such as it is effectively makes everyone, yes, even you, a criminal. It is simply at the behest of the corporations whose marks you are violating that they do not arrest, charge or otherwise fine you.
There is an urgent need for Copyright reform and this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Or at least, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back with regards to this particular form of copyright moderation (that is, remixing of copyright material is no longer something that infringes on another's original work - it is effectively an argument of whether or not digital graffiti is permissible).
Wiktor
Member
The most obvious solution is to stick to smaller games, mostly indie and freeware ones. People watch those videos for commentary of people who make them, not for the game itself.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Looks like GameXplain got hit hard by this, which is a shame because we worked hard to assure that any videos we monetized fell under fair use rights. We also fostered a really strong relationship with Nintendo, so it's disheartening to see them hit the site like that. I think Andre still isn't sure what he is going to do moving forward, but this was very much his career, so I'm sure this whole thing is infuriating to him.
FaintColt388301
Member
Youtube really wants to lose it's crown as the go to place for videos. The place is getting worse and worse. It's the perfect time for another website to swoop in. Too bad it won't happen.
What the fuck am I doing with my life ???? FUCK
nobody stops you from doing cool gaming-related videos and be entertaining. Subs and views will come eventually, especially if you're handsome/pretty enough for a teen girl audience.