I'll just to all of your guys' questions and answers in one post. Again, just for the record I am not a flat earth believer (but I am very open to believe in it if they can fix what I think are issues with their model) but they have answers to just about all the arguments against it.
What about satellites?
Satellites are believed to be a hoax. And GPS is believed to be ground base.
https://youtu.be/qauj1PPEJRQ
According to the physics we were taught to be true it's impossible to have satellites in "outer space"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwW4LghHJ8
How about circumnavigating the globe?
What if one is sailing or flying at rights angles to the North pole? The person would and eventually returning to ones original location just as on a globe. Think of it as a compass placed its center-point on a flat piece of paper and trace a circle either way around the pole, so can a ship or plane circumnavigate a flat-Earth.
From what Ive gathered:
Circular sailing no more proves the world to be a globe than an equilateral triangle. The sailing round the world would, of course, take very much longer, but, in principle, it is exactly the same as that of the yachtsman circumnavigating the Isle of Wight. Let me give a simple illustration. A boy wants to sail his iron toy boat by a magnet, so he gets a basin, in the middle of which he places a soap-dish, or anything else which he may think suitable to represent the Earth, and then fills the basin with water to display the sea. He puts in his boat and draws it by the magnet round his little world. But the boat never passes over the rim to sail under the basin, as if that were globular, instead of being simply circular. So is it in this world of ours; from the extreme South we can sail from East to West or from West to East around it, but we cannot sail from North to South or from South to North, for we cannot break through intervening lands, nor pass the impenetrable ramparts of ice and rocks which enclose the great Southern Circumference. -David Wardlaw Scott, Terra Firma (68)
A very good illustration of the circum-navigation of a plane will be seen by taking a round table, and fixing a pin in the centre to represent the magnetic pole. To this central pin attach a string drawn out to any distance towards the edge of the table. This string may represent the meridian of Greenwich, extending due north and south. If now a pencil or other object is placed across, or at right angles to the string, at any distance between the centre and the circumference of the table, it will represent a vessel standing due east and west. Now move the pencil and the string together in either direction, and it will be seen that by keeping the vessel (or pencil), square to the string it must of necessity describe a circle round the magnetic centre and return to the starting point in the opposite direction to that in which it first sailed. -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe! (226)
Have you ever seen a long exposure photograph of the night sky taken from Earth?
Yes. Which is interesting because it makes it look like the Earth is stationary and the heavens are revolving around the earth from our perspective. What's interesting to me is how is it that Polaris can stay above the North Pole when the Earth is supposedly revolving around the Sun, wobbling and moving with the Sun and the Sun is moving with the galaxy.
One said "The treaty prevents any nation from claiming it as theirs."
I wasn't talking about any nation claiming it as theirs. They won't allow independent researchers to explore Antarctica without their hand holding. I find that suspect.
"citation needed"
Time lapse video from his facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/JoshuaNowi...6034061785596/888477221207943/?type=2&theater
News Video:
https://youtu.be/Sekn2jbXSkY
According to spherical trigonometry the skyline should be .45 miles below the curvature at a 50 mile distance. And no, I don't believe it was a mirage as mirages are wavy and distorted.
"There is, the ISS streams video all day long."
They don't show the entire GLOBE Earth. NASA can easily put the flat earth conspiracy to bed if they had HD live footage of the GLOBE earth. I find it suspect in 2015 with all the billions of dollars they have received from tax payers none exist.
"citation needed"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzUgKZ8m2k
Just go on Youtube you can find many amateur weather balloon footage. I have seen many and there is no curvature of the Earth seen and they go as high as 100,000 feet or even higher. Just be sure you watch footage that doesn't use the fish eye lenses.
"Wind conditions around the pole are pretty dangerious"
According to whom? Reference please.
"[BGravity is a weak force over all. Also, what would be forcing the water to rise?[/B]"
I don't get what you're saying here. If gravity is a weak force then how can it arc water? How come in smaller scales body of water doesn't arc by this force called gravity? I would love for someone to post video of gravity arcing water on a smaller scale.
From what I have gathered:
"The upper surface of a fluid at rest is a horizontal plane. Because if a part of the surface were higher than the rest, those parts of the fluid which were under it would exert a greater pressure upon the surrounding parts than they receive from them, so that motion would take place amongst the particles and continue until there were none at a higher level than the rest, that is, until the upper surface of the whole mass of fluid became a horizontal plane. -W.T. Lynn, First Principles of Natural Philosophy
"If the Earth is an extended flat plane, then this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense. If, however, the Earth is a giant sphere tilted on its vertical axis spinning through never-ending space then it follows that truly flat, consistently level surfaces do not exist here! Moreover, if the Earth is spherical then it follows that the surface of all Earths water, including the massive oceans, must maintain a certain degree of convexity. But this is contrary to the fundamental physical nature of water to always be and remain level!"
The surface of all water, when not agitated by natural causes, such as winds, tides, earthquakes etc. is perfectly level. The sense of sight proves this to every unprejudiced and reasonable mind. Can any so-called scientist, who teaches that the earth is a whirling globe, take a heap of liquid water, whirl it round, and so make rotundity? He cannot. Therefore it is utterly impossible to prove that an ocean is a whirling rotund section of a globular earth, rushing through space at the lying-given-rate of false philosophers. -William Thomas Wiseman, The Earth An Irregular Plane
Is water level, or is it not? was a question once asked of an astronomer. Practically, yes; theoretically, no, was the reply. Now, when theory does not harmonize with practice, the best thing to do is to drop the theory. (It is getting too late, now to say So much the worse for the facts!) To drop the theory which supposes a curved surface to standing water is to acknowledge the facts. Whenever experiments have been tried on the surface of standing water, the surface has always been found to be level. If the Earth were a globe, the surface of all standing water would be convex. This is an experimental proof that Earth is not a globe. -William Carpenter, 100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe
Since any given body of water must have a level surface, no one part higher than another, and seeing that all our oceans (a few inland seas excepted) are connected together, it follows that they are all VIRTUALLY OF THE SAME LEVEL. -The English Mechanic, 26th, June 1896
If the Earth were a globe, rolling and dashing through space at the rate of a hundred miles in five seconds of time, the waters of seas and oceans could not, by any known law, be kept on its surface - the assertion that they could be retained under these circumstances being an outrage upon human understanding and credulity! But as the Earth - that is, the habitable world of dry land - is found to be standing out of the water and in the water of the mighty deep, whose circumferential boundary is ice, we may throw the statement back into the teeth of those who make it and flaunt before their faces the flag of reason and common sense, inscribed with a proof that the Earth is not a globe. -William Carpenter, 100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe (86)
"What fake footage? It's far easier to just show the real stuff, which is what they do. Only hollywood fakes it."
NASA and every other government space agency doctoring photos and faking space. They've been caught red handed. Sources
https://youtu.be/klP6Z1Ahqos https://youtu.be/9X0HgFWsNlk https://youtu.be/EwlCkSqTlWM https://youtu.be/GEn98NAC6ak
"They do curve though, at the joints. Think drawling a circle in Paint."
From what I've gathered railways don't take into account the curvature:
J.C. Bourne in his book, The History of the Great Western Railway stated that the entire original English railroad, more than 118 miles long, that the whole line with the exception of the inclined planes, may be regarded practically as level. The British Parliament Session in 1862 that approved its construction recorded in Order No. 44 for the proposed railway, That the section be drawn to the same HORIZONTAL scale as the plan, and to a vertical scale of not less than one inch to every one hundred feet, and shall show the surface of the ground marked on the plan, the intended level of the proposed work, the height of every embankment, and the depth of every cutting, and a DATUM HORIZONTAL LINE which shall be the same throughout the whole length of the work.
One hundred and eighteen miles of LEVEL railway, and yet the surface on which it is projected a globe? Impossible. It cannot be. Early in 1898 I met Mr. Hughes, chief officer of the steamer City of Lincoln. This gentleman told me he had projected thousands of miles of level railway in South America, and never heard of any allowance for curvature being made. On one occasion he surveyed over one thousand miles of railway which was a perfect straight line all the way. It is well known that in the Argentine Republic and other parts of South America, there are railways thousands of miles long without curve or gradient. In projecting railways, the world is acknowledged to be a plane, and if it were a globe the rules of projection have yet to be discovered. Level railways prove a level world, to the utter confusion of the globular school of impractical men with high salaries and little brains. Thomas Winship, Zetetic Cosmogeny
That in all surveys no allowance is made for curvature, which would be a necessity on a globe; that a horizontal line is in every case the datum line, the same line being continuous throughout the whole length of the work; and that the theodolite cuts a line at equal altitudes on either side of it, which altitude is the same as that of the instrument, clearly proves, to those who will accept proof when it is furnished, that the world is a plane and not a globe. Thomas Winship, Zetetic Cosmogeny
Engineer, W. Winckler, wrote into the Earth Review October 1893 regarding the Earths supposed curvature, stating, As an engineer of many years standing, I saw that this absurd allowance is only permitted in school books. No engineer would dream of allowing anything of the kind. I have projected many miles of railways and many more of canals and the allowance has not even been thought of, much less allowed for. This allowance for curvature means this that it is 8 for the first mile of a canal, and increasing at the ratio by the square of the distance in miles; thus a small navigable canal for boats, say 30 miles long, will have, by the above rule an allowance for curvature of 600 feet. Think of that and then please credit engineers as not being quite such fools. Nothing of the sort is allowed. We no more think of allowing 600 feet for a line of 30 miles of railway or canal, than of wasting our time trying to square the circle
"Gravity forces them into a curved path. They don't have enough velocity to escape it."
You say gravity pulls down airplanes into a curve path. It seems ridiculous to me if the airplane is flying completely horizontal as their gauges would show. I would like for an airplane pilot to respond to this.
"Why do you need to use spherical trigonometry to calculate accurate distances if the earth is flat?"
As far as I know for railways, sea navigation etc. don't use spherical trigonometry. Which is odd to me.
