Cow Mengde
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Man, I remember how we thought we were getting the specs for the Switch when it's officially announced.
LOL.
LOL.
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A Nintendo Switch has been taken apart
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Who even thought this?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think that as usual semi-custom designs will sit between what AMD has now and what they want to ship next, essentially using the money form Sony and MS to finance their R&D too, with the addition of specific customer enhancements (see PS4 changes Sony requested for the GPU). So, no it will likely not simply be what AMD has now.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Like Sony and MS getting some features that AMD would not ship until well after Xbox One and PS4 came out? Imagine if Xbox One could not have gotten even ESRAM in and had to rely only on the external DDR4...
Semi custom designs all come down to how much is the console manufacturer willing to pay for them and this cost is also related to what the semi custom vendor has in the pipeline or can scale up. Sure the problem could be that some people are never happy with what Nintendo provides, but also that other people have such a low bar/feel bad about seeming ingrate to Nintendo that anything they make is good by virtue of coming from them...
Sniffynose
Member
I have a feeling they didn't want to say anything until the GTX 1080ti got into more people's hands.
Imagine the shitstorm when people realize the switch has a top of the line 1080ti gpu for a mere $300!
Also the new firmware update soon unlocks this power.
#followmeontwitter #donatebutton
Imagine the shitstorm when people realize the switch has a top of the line 1080ti gpu for a mere $300!
Also the new firmware update soon unlocks this power.
#followmeontwitter #donatebutton
That's not really true. These things are usually hidden in R&D spending, but in Nvidia's Q3 results call they said that Nintendo contributed "a fair amount" to a $463 million bump in gaming division revenues that quarter. Granted we don't know exactly how much "a fair amount" is, or whether it's for hardware or R&D, but there's certainly a decent amount of money changing hands from Nintendo to Nvidia.
Yea I agree with this. My post was poorly worded sarcasm aimed at those who are saying anything more advanced than a standard TX1 was an unrealistic expectation, because that was the best thing available when Nintendo started planning the Switch.
PdotMichael
Banned
Not really the same. AMD wad in charge of designing specific APU solutions for Sony and Microsoft. Tegra is a off the shelf hardware solution for mobile devices.
Tegra is just Nvidias mobile line of chips, a customized tegra can in theory be just as custom as a semicustom amd apu.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I was not accusing Nintendo of just getting an off the shelf solution instead of paying NVIDIA to do more customisations, how dare you besmirch Nintendo, how dare you sir indeed
?It really is the same or could be... Nintendo has the keys of the kingdom... it is their choice to get a supplier or the other, it is their choice whether they get their HW partner to give them freedom in designing their semi-custom SoC or just minor modifications to an off the shelf solution. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here...
Sniffynose
Member
Ya this sucks, it would be nice knowing what we are dealing with
I dont want to nag them, the explanation could be as simple as them prioritising work they actually get payed for.
Sniffynose
Member
As a fellow Canadian I actually enjoy being nagged, so perhaps they are playing hard to get?
ShadowFox08
Member
Regardless if they(Nintendo) release specs or not, comparisons will still be made with 3rd party multiplatforms. They already have with at least 3 games(snake pass, I am setsuna, and dragon quest).
Smurfman256
Member
Snake Pass is 1080p 30Hz on all systems, but we don't know how it stacks up visually/performance wise to the other two VCR-sized things. I am Setsuna got it's frame-rate halved in order to stay at 1080p (I honestly would go with an option to play at a lower resolution in favor of a full 60Hz experience, but I understand where the developers drew the line). Dragon's Quest so far seems to be a bad port with poor memory optimization.
ShadowFox08
Member
Where did you get info that Snake Pass on PS4 is 30 fps? Reports from Mid February say PS4 is 60fps, while Switch is 30fps.
PdotMichael
Banned
I was not accusing Nintendo of just getting an off the shelf solution instead of paying NVIDIA to do more customisations, how dare you besmirch Nintendo, how dare you sir indeed
It really is the same or could be... Nintendo has the keys of the kingdom... it is their choice to get a supplier or the other, it is their choice whether they get their HW partner to give them freedom in designing their semi-custom SoC or just minor modifications to an off the shelf solution. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here...
I don't know what your point is as well.
What could have Nintendo wanted to add into X1 without making it more expensive or delaying the release of the console? Based on the information we have we know that Nintendo doesn't even run the X1 at full theoretical capacities for practical reasons.
Smurfman256
Member
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/02/15/snake-pass-releases-march-28-ps4-xbox-one-pc-switch/ High frame rate on PS4 Pro if played at 1080p. Translation: They take off the 30FPS cap and let the game run between 35-50FPS but it never gets to 60 consistenly because the PS4's CPU is awful.
People too young to remember other Nintendo launches, probably. Anyone with experience knew to watch leaks and hardware dissections.
ShadowFox08
Member
You mean 60 uncapped?
Smurfman256
Member
Thus quoth the PlayStation Blog:
Never explicitly stated 60FPS. Usually means an unlocked frame rate that sits south of 60FPS (I'm looking at YOU, Tomb Raider PS4 port and Killzone: Shadow Fall multiplayer!)
In theory they could have added features from tx2/ Parker like 16nmff/ double ram bandwidth etc. Traditionally a die shrink usually makes things cheaper. Sadly it looks like they haven't though.
Smurfman256
Member
At this point, are we just trying to determine if that SDK documentation leak is legit? Or are we trying to see how much the final hardware differs from said SDK?
The latter. The sdk just describes a standard tx1.
Ricerocket
Member
Really don't think that SDK info from July is fake. Also, Eurogamer later doubled down on the SDK leak with a recent update to it saying Nintendo added a new clockspeed choice (at the same time lowering mem speed as a trade off). I really don't think there will be anything different, it's basically a downclocked TX1 to avoid randomness of throttling if left uncapped.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
How do you know it would have delayed the console or make it more expensive? You are basing quite a lot on the assumption that Nintendo must have done everything and all it could be done and nothing better could not be done with the current time constraints (rushed launch being a constraint here and a stroke of genius at once if necessary to defend that choice
).For all we know, Nintendo just wanted a complete cheap solution they could just drop in and they were rushing to find a partner to iterate on the hybrid idea they were cooking with and kill the Wii U early enough.
Maybe Nintendo could have invested in a die shrink early on with NVIDIA and they may have pushed for bigger GPU on die cache to improve tiling efficiency or other features that naturally shipped with TX2 now or would ship later on desktop GPU's.
I do not blame Nintendo if they did prioritise maximising launch profits and minimising R&D risk (investments) as one of the pillars of the hybrid strategy.
They could have well said to NVIDIA "give me the cheapest thing you have that will not delay past X date with 200% certainty" and they may have gone to them very late in the process after discarding an internal design... who knows.
PdotMichael
Banned
Nintendo can do whatever they want. There is just no reason to believe that they did anything in that regard.
Liabe Brave
Member
I believe you're misreading the statement. It's much more likely that Snake Pass will have 60fps target on both standard and Pro PS4, but will hold that better on the Pro at 1080p. That just makes more sense, given what Pro enhancements have generally been like.
Smurfman256
Member
I know what you meant. The only console footage of the game that's running above 30FPS is a Polygon video being played on one of the two PS4 systems - they gave no indication on whether or not it was a base PS4 or a PS4 Pro and whether or not Boost Mode had been enabled on that system (playing the video at 1/4 speed shows that there are quite a few dropped frames; a sign that it's running well below 60FPS). The fact that all official promotional materials have been 30FPS has lead me to believe that the final game will have a 30FPS cap on most platforms (if your title runs at 60Hz, there's no reason not to upload 60FPS footage on YouTube).
LordOfChaos
Member
A polite ETA request wouldn't be nagging and could take the edge off of people waiting every day for it, hah.
Only Chipworks/TI can save this thread now
Only Chipworks/TI can save this thread now
They should examine both the A1 and A2 in Shield TV 2015/17 at the same time tbh.
Holy shit it's here
http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
So I guess it's officially a tx1
http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
So I guess it's officially a tx1
LordOcidax
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dampflokfreund
Banned
Expected but very disappointing...
Holy shit it's here
http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
So I guess it's officially a tx1
New thread?
New news
dampflokfreund
Banned
Skittzo0413
Member
Interesting, I love how they say so little about it. I guess they're leaving it up to those geniuses here who can tell us what's actually happening in this image.
They are saying they believe it's a stock tx1 basically. It's kinda interesting that the a53s are still there.
Skittzo0413
Member
This is all they say:
I'm just curious how they came to that conclusion. Did they have a TX1 die shot to compare it with?
ShadowFox08
Member
Were people expecting TX2? Lol
They haven't confirmed the node size though, right?..
They haven't confirmed the node size though, right?..
ShadowFox08
Member
Is a new thread really necessary? We could gave the OP update the first post.
This is news to me.
Reading the source, perhaps they were confused about Nintendo's statement about the share button being able to record gameplay video in the future?
Huh, motion sensors on the main PCB confirmed. Could this be for VR future compatibility or tablet mode future compatibility? Because right now, handheld mode with the Joycon attached seems like they would do the motion sensing job by themselves and since they both have sensors, having additional sensors in the console seems overly redundant.
Also, wireless charging? Is that related to how the Joycon charge or is this wireless charging for the system itself?
Edit: Okay so this is interesting...I just tried placing my Switch on my wireless charging pad and it actually turns on, but it blinks blue and doesn't say on the Switch that it's charging so it doesn't seem to be charging (and I'm too scared to drain it right now and leave it on long enough to see if it works for fear of damaging the Switch) but it would seem like it really has wireless charging built in. I even detached the joycon and placed them down on it in various positions to see if they turn on the pad, but nothing.
Does this means Nintendo plans for a wireless charging accessory in the future? Surely, there must be some compatible wireless charging solutions now, right?
LordOfChaos
Member
Holy shit it's here
http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
So I guess it's officially a tx1
Restraining myself from post-shaming some of the more hyperbolic deniers of a standard configuration that popped up in the last page or two of waiting
I had set my expectations to a mostly standard TX1 ever since the 250 people working 2 years including the NVN API and OS integration news... That, as I've said many times, is nothing in the chipmaking world.
Restraining myself from post-shaming some of the more hyperbolic deniers of a standard configuration that popped up in the last page or two of waiting
The restraint is unbearable